The Line Is Getting Blurred

[Josie]

I can lead a horse to water but I can't make them drink. If you have read the policy agenda for Project 2025 and understand the mission of Evangelical Christians and you're still asking pedantic gotcha questions, I'm not going to waste my time playing your games.

You could, however, debate the topic...... How can anyone force you to pray?

 

[commongood]

You could, however, debate the topic...... How can anyone force you to pray?

How did it happen that a 50-year-old court ruling that protected a woman's right to privacy was repealed? Think about it.

Have a good one.

 

[Josie]

How did it happen that a 50-year-old court ruling that protected a woman's right to privacy was repealed? Think about it.

Have a good one.

You're very bad at this.

 

[Moon]

Do you need help using your favorite search engine? If so, ask a young family member. Have a good one.

No, I don’t need any help at all, but I’m not the one demanding someone else do my work to support my point. That would be you.

 

[Moon]

You're very bad at this.

VERY

 

[Str8shooter]

You seem nice!

When did I ever say that I am "nice?" I made an accurate assessment of being a bigot.

 

[OlNate]

By praying in public he is forcing all to participate against their will. I really do not want, and object to having to hear this garbage.

If being something, like gay, can be offensive to Christians, how dare they assume they are not offensive to others. The "cross" represents a half decade of torture for me. I have very bad psoriasis on my knees from all the ****ing kneeling I had to do. I was a slow learner and Christians said that was a sin so I was punished for now knowing my lessons, sometimes for the entire day.

But I have THE CROSS shoved in my god damned face every ****ing day!

When this puke assumes he's saving the ****ing world he's taking me back to the worst ****ing nightmare a child can live.

And then I get to thinking about the poor souls who had it worse than me and were sexually abused in the name of god!

So halt that mouth and pray in private so we don't have to repress puking.

Heya, bud. When I run into this level of anger towards religion I generally tend to back off, because as a Christian I'm more than aware of the amount of hurt that has been caused by people in the name of something I hold dear.

All I'll say in response, respectfully, is that context matters here. I personally don't like the man, and I am quite certain that his idea of religion and mine would not align well. But there is a number of scenarios where this would be well within his rights, and as someone who cares about people's rights in general, I'd want to be sure about that before condemning him. That's just me. I respect whatever opinion you decide to hold.

PS: If you think being gay is offensive to all Christians, I would encourage you to look up the MCCT. I learned a different side of what you're saying going there with my father. If you look up the MCCT, you'll understand the significance there. And that's just one denomination.

 

[eman623]

The fake crying is a little off-putting. But I didn't hear anything objectionable in it.

He's asking God to help guide the nation. What's wrong with that? Frankly we could use all the help we can get.

No lines were blurred in the making of this prayer.

 

[BabyAugustine]

I find this unsettling…….

But you have completely interpreted that against history, the Constituion, and the precedents.

Here is LIncoln in almost the exact same cirucmstances.

"Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."
I would point out that you think that way because you reject the Founding's teaching about the ONE AND ONLY basis for our government, THE ONE AND ONLY
In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, "a necessary spring of popular government," while Adams claimed that statesmen "may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand."

YOu did get a chuckle from me, your knowledge of civics and history is inversely proportional to the pomposity of your convictions.

 

[Rexedgar]

But you have completely interpreted that against history, the Constituion, and the precedents.

Here is LIncoln in almost the exact same cirucmstances.

What cirucmstances (sic) are those?

"Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

Do you know how to turn off italics when you are done quoting?

I would point out that you think that way because you reject the Founding's teaching about the ONE AND ONLY basis for our government, THE ONE AND ONLY
In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, "a necessary spring of popular government," while Adams claimed that statesmen "may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand."

You are advocating for the government to “establish the Principles” of religion and morality?

Hows that working out?

YOu did get a chuckle from me, your knowledge of civics and history is inversely proportional to the pomposity of your convictions.

LOL

 

[ralfy]

The two dominant religions of the U.S. are neoconservatism and neoliberalism.

 

[Gordy327]

I thought the problem was "blurring the line" between church and state no matter what type of Christian......

It is a problem. It just seems to be Christians doing the blurring.

 

[AZRWinger]

It is a problem. It just seems to be Christians doing the blurring.

Christians aren't blurring the line. It's atheist Leftists who want to redefine free exercise of religion to a political justification for socialism or ban Christianity as some perverse exercise in freedom.

 

[Gordy327]

Christians aren't blurring the line. It's atheist Leftists who want to redefine free exercise of religion to a political justification for socialism or ban Christianity as some perverse exercise in freedom.

That's just paranoid conspiracy level nonsense. No one is trying to ban religion. The line is quite clear. But it's always theists who are trying to cross that line.

 

[AZRWinger]

That's just paranoid conspiracy level nonsense. No one is trying to ban religion. The line is quite clear. But it's always theists who are trying to cross that line.

Theists? It's Leftists atheists working to purge religion from the public square that are the heros. Courageous Democrats besieging the Little Sisters of the Poor for refusing to sacrifice their religious beliefs to Obamacare. It's those elderly nuns pushing the limits. Don't they know the Constitution guarantee of free exercise only applies to protecting atheists sensitivities.

 

[Gordy327]

Theists? It's Leftists atheists working to purge religion from the public square that are the heros. Courageous Democrats besieging the Little Sisters of the Poor for refusing to sacrifice their religious beliefs to Obamacare. It's those elderly nuns pushing the limits. Don't they know the Constitution guarantee of free exercise only applies to protecting atheists sensitivities.

Apparently you don't understand the principle of separation or the limits of exercise. Religion is not being "purged" from the public square. That's just hyperbole and plain stupid. But the government cannot promote or validate your religion for you.

 

[AZRWinger]

Apparently you don't understand the principle of separation or the limits of exercise. Religion is not being "purged" from the public square. That's just hyperbole and plain stupid. But the government cannot promote or validate your religion for you.

Provided with an example of the Federal government imposing a mandate which would have violated religious beliefs your response is nattering about about seperation of church and state. Completely irrelevant to the issue.

 

[Gordy327]

Provided with an example of the Federal government imposing a mandate which would have violated religious beliefs your response is nattering about about seperation of church and state. Completely irrelevant to the issue.

If they get government assistance, then they play by government rules. It's that simple.

 

[Risky Thicket]

You could, however, debate the topic...... How can anyone force you to pray?

At the present it would be difficult for anyone to be able to that legally in the US. That may however change if Christian nationalists rule the government.

But there are ways to punish people who don't pray, of at least go through the motions. As and example I'd imagine people working closely for Governor Sarah Hucklebee of Arkansas might feel compelled to pray at work or at a work related function, fearing unequal work opportunities or promotion for non-compliance. The presence and permission of religion at work may well create an atmosphere of expected compliance.

In basic training many years ago everyone had a choice on Sunday of going to the religious service or stay behind and police the barracks. Not much of a choice but several of us always stayed behind and cleaned the latrine and cleaned the common areas. We used God's name probably as much as they did at chapel but not in the same manner.

 

[AZRWinger]

If they get government assistance, then they play by government rules. It's that simple.

Obama's persecution of the Little Sisters of the Poor had nothing to do with government subsidies. It was an attempt to force a charity providing services to the elderly poor into complying with Obamacare mandates. They were threatened with up to $40K per day in fines for refusing to violate their religious conviction against providing free birth control in their healthcare insurance.

 

[Gordy327]

Obama's persecution of the Little Sisters of the Poor had nothing to do with government subsidies. It was an attempt to force a charity providing services to the elderly poor into complying with Obamacare mandates. They were threatened with up to $40K per day in fines for refusing to violate their religious conviction against providing free birth control in their healthcare insurance.

They wanted government insurance, so they had to play by government rules.

 

[AZRWinger]

They wanted government insurance, so they had to play by government rules.

Nope, Obamacare required all employer provided health care insurance to provide coverage in 10 broad areas. Among these coverages was free birth control. The Little Sisters objected on the basis it would violate their religious beliefs against birth control. The Obamacare thugs couldn't abide by any defiance so they threatened to impose massive fines which would have closed the charity. Who cares about serving the elderly poor when Obamacare supremacy over the Constitution is to be demonstrated?

 

[Gordy327]

Nope, Obamacare required all employer provided health care insurance to provide coverage in 10 broad areas. Among these coverages was free birth control. The Little Sisters objected on the basis it would violate their religious beliefs against birth control. The Obamacare thugs couldn't abide by any defiance so they threatened to impose massive fines which would have closed the charity. Who cares about serving the elderly poor when Obamacare supremacy over the Constitution is to be demonstrated?

If any organization wants to utilize government assistance, they must adhere to government rules. It's that simple.

 

[AZRWinger]

If any organization wants to utilize government assistance, they must adhere to government rules. It's that simple.

The comment above is completely nonresponsive to the discussion.

 

[Gordy327]

The comment above is completely nonresponsive to the discussion.

The comment is accurate.