The Liberty Amendment [W:1505:1547]

[haymarket]

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excuse me, you know very well caps are consider yelling....please stop with the ignorance.

I use all caps for emphasis and to get attention when attention is not working otherwise. Likewise with font size.

 

[haymarket]

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Okay, so you're talking about people too. So yes, as I said before, one person taking what belongs to another person. I guess it could be amended to one person or group of people taking what belongs to another, since people acting together are each responsible for their actions.

So you think it is acceptable for one person or group of people to take what belongs to others?

People in the government are authorized by the law of the land passed by the duly elected representatives of the American people to do things that people outside the government are not authorized to do. That is an important distinction and perhaps the key distinction that must be accepted.

 

[Master PO]

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I use all caps for emphasis and to get attention when attention is not working otherwise. Likewise with font size.

Oh! what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive!

 

[Federalist]

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People in the government are authorized by the law of the land passed by the duly elected representatives of the American people to do things that people outside the government are not authorized to do. That is an important distinction and perhaps the key distinction that must be accepted.

These American people are people, right? As I said, I consider it unacceptable for one person or a group of people to take what belongs to another person.

So you're saying that you consider it acceptable for people to take what belongs to others?

 

[haymarket]

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Oh! what a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive!

Sounds like you have learned it the hard way.

 

[haymarket]

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These American people are people, right? As I said, I consider it unacceptable for one person or a group of people to take what belongs to another person.

So you're saying that you consider it acceptable for people to take what belongs to others?

People in the government are authorized by the law of the land passed by the duly elected representatives of the American people to do things that people outside the government are not authorized to do. That is an important distinction and perhaps the key distinction that must be accepted.

It is just plain stupid and nonsensical to engage in this sort of discussion without laying your cards on the table and saying what you mean and meaning what you say. If you are going to tell us that people in the government cannot use the power of taxation to take money from citizens - please speak up and say so clearly so we can stop this infernal dancing around it.

 

[Master PO]

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People in the government are authorized by the law of the land passed by the duly elected representatives of the American people to do things that people outside the government are not authorized to do. That is an important distinction and perhaps the key distinction that must be accepted.

question, how does a group of people with no power to do things elect a person and give him power they themselves do not have ?

 

[Federalist]

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People in the government are authorized by the law of the land passed by the duly elected representatives of the American people to do things that people outside the government are not authorized to do. That is an important distinction and perhaps the key distinction that must be accepted.

What does that mean, authorized? They are given permission to take what belongs to others? Who gives them this permission?

 

[Federalist]

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question, how does a group of people with no power to do things elect a person and give him power they themselves do not have ?

Now that, my Luger wielding friend, is an excellent question.

 

[Master PO]

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Sounds like you have learned it the hard way.

sounds like you know what it means...don't you.....I bet it was painful .

 

[haymarket]

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question, how does a group of people with no power to do things elect a person and give him power they themselves do not have ?

They gabrad the reticulated cranistan enabling hacent tribiluation of the wopment.

 

[haymarket]

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sounds like you know what it means...don't you.....I bet it was painful .

Sorry but you lost me. Maybe it was at the same time you mouthed off about my teaching when you don't know a damn thing about it.

 

[Federalist]

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It is just plain stupid and nonsensical to engage in this sort of discussion without laying your cards on the table and saying what you mean and meaning what you say. If you are going to tell us that people in the government cannot use the power of taxation to take money from citizens - please speak up and say so clearly so we can stop this infernal dancing around it.

I have laid my cards on the table. I made a very clear statement that I consider it unacceptable for a group of people to take what belongs to another. You have explained that the government is people, therefore I think it would be unacceptable for any of those people to take what belongs to others.

 

[Federalist]

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Sorry but you lost me. Maybe it was at the same time you mouthed off about my teaching when you don't know a damn thing about it.

It means he has no answer to justify his inconsistency.

EDIT - I'm leaving this to prove I'm an idiot.

 

[Master PO]

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Sorry but you lost me. Maybe it was at the same time you mouthed off about my teaching when you don't know a damn thing about it.

it seems your not in a good mood, ..now I can remedy that, you stop doubting..listen to the founders, and things become clear in time...

 

[haymarket]

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I have laid my cards on the table. I made a very clear statement that I consider it unacceptable for a group of people to take what belongs to another. You have explained that the government is people, therefore I think it would be unacceptable for any of those people to take what belongs to others.

So you are saying that the government cannot take anything from anyone?

 

[Federalist]

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They gabrad the reticulated cranistan enabling hacent tribiluation of the wopment.

THIS means you have no answer to justify your inconsistency.

 

[haymarket]

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it seems your not in a good mood, ..now I can remedy that, you stop doubting me listen to the founders, and things become clear in time...

I have been listening to the Founders all my adult life. The Constitution - to be specific. All 55 of them and the document they produced. Unlike some, I do not have a crush on just one and elevate that one to the status of a demigod ignoring the rest.

 

[Federalist]

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So you are saying that the government cannot take anything from anyone?

I'm not sure what you mean by cannot. Certainly they have the means to do so. But I don't consider it acceptable for one group of people to take what belongs to another person. And since these government people are indeed people, I would hold them to the same standard.

 

[haymarket]

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THIS means you have no answer to justify your inconsistency.

Oh I am sorry.... I was just trying to get in the spirit of the obvious game and make nonsensical statement that make no sense like the one from EB I was replying to:

question, how does a group of people with no power to do things elect a person and give him power they themselves do not have ?

 

[haymarket]

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I'm not sure what you mean by cannot. Certainly they have the means to do so. But I don't consider it acceptable for one group of people to take what belongs to another person. And since these government people are indeed people, I would hold them to the same standard.

Got it.

 

[Master PO]

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Oh I am sorry.... I was just trying to get in the spirit of the obvious game and make nonsensical statement that make no sense like the one from EB I was replying to:

if I as a person do not have the power to reach into your pocket and take your money and give it to another person.

then how can I elect someone who can ....by giving him that power I myself don't have.

 

[haymarket]

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if I as a person do not have the power to reach into your pocket and take your money and give it to another person.

then how can I elect someone who can by giving him that power.

We had this discussion before.
You know the drill.
Or at least you should.

Read your Constitution.

 

[Master PO]

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We had this discussion before.
You know the drill.
Or at least you should.

Read your Constitution.

that is a general statement ...which you use to prevent you from answering the question.


again... how can a power be given to someone by the people, if the people themselves do not have the power.

 

[Federalist]

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Got it.

So I take it you consider it acceptable for some people to take what belongs to others but not for other people to do so.

It seem that you give these people a free pass because they were given orders by others to commit their acts. I don't buy this. If one person uses another as a means to take what belongs to others, both the user and the one being used are equally guilty of the act.