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the legend of Saint Martin, who gave away half his cloak to a poor man

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Here is the legend:

While Martin was a soldier in the Roman army and stationed in Gaul (modern-day France), he experienced a vision, which became the most-repeated story about his life. One day as he was approaching the gates of the city of Amiens, he met a scantily clad beggar. He impulsively cut his military cloak in half to share with the man. That night, Martin dreamed of Jesus wearing the half-cloak he had given away. He heard Jesus say to the angels: "Martin, who is still but a catechumen, clothed me with this robe." (Sulpicius, ch 2). In another version, when Martin woke, he found his cloak restored to wholeness.

The dream confirmed Martin in his piety, and he was baptised at the age of 18.
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Martin of Tours - Wikipedia

Where I live, every child has heard about this legend.

Now I have been told that Saint Martin is completely unknown in the rest of the world and only some un-important parochial saint somewhere.

Now that interests me now.

Can it really be, that nobody in the USA etc etc has ever heard of Saint Martin?
 
Can it really be that nobody in the USA has ever heard of this Saint?

For me he is a symbol for the Christian motto: "Love your neighbour!"

And for others he is just some "parochial Geman saint" that no other Christians worldwide have ever heard of? - That I can't believe.
 
Maybe I should not have put "Location Europe" on my profile?
So some American may think that I am some stupid old European peasant who does not know anything about the world und therefore lists Saint Martin in a poll - some strange saint that wise guys have never heard of?
 
Rumpel said:
Maybe I should not have put "Location Europe" on my profile?
So some American may think that I am some stupid old European peasant who does not know anything about the world und therefore lists Saint Martin in a poll - some strange saint that wise guys have never heard of?
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Thread needs more cowbell.
 
@ St. Martin’s Episcopal Church

Since its founding in 1952, St. Martin’s Episcopal Church has grown to become the largest Episcopal Church in North America with more than 9,000 members.
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St. Martin's Episcopal Church | History

So some Americans will probably know that there is some such saint as Saint Martin.
 
Maybe some will say now: "I do not know any Saint Martin, I only know Dr. Martin Luther!" :cool:

And others will say: "I do not know any Dr. Martin Luther, I only know Martin Luther King Jr!" :cool:


Martin Luther King Jr. (born Michael King Jr.; January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968) was an American Christian minister and activist who became the most visible spokesperson and leader in the civil rights movement from 1955 until his assassination in 1968. King is best known for advancing civil rights through nonviolence and civil disobedience, inspired by his Christian beliefs and the nonviolent activism of Mahatma Gandhi.
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Martin Luther King Jr. - Wikipedia.
 
Rumpel said:
Here is the legend:



Martin of Tours - Wikipedia

Where I live, every child has heard about this legend.

Now I have been told that Saint Martin is completely unknown in the rest of the world and only some un-important parochial saint somewhere.

Now that interests me now.

Can it really be, that nobody in the USA etc etc has ever heard of Saint Martin?
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Being a former Catholic - I heard of a St Martin. De Porres.

Have you?
 
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Saint-Martin/Sint Maarten is one of the leeward islands, half French and half Dutch.


Have you been looking for a dog?
 
Rumpel said:
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Good! The more, the better.


Mary and all the Catholic saints - kinda helps drive home my point. ;)


Use the cowbell!
 
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I prefer the truth over legends...
 
Should I create some polls again?

"Is Saint Martin completely unknwon in the USA?"
"Is Thomas the Apostle completely unknown in the USA?"
"Is Mary the Mother of Jesus completely unknown in the USA?"

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Is Saint Donald of Trump the only saint that is well known in the USA?
And everything and everybody outside the USA may be looked down upon as "paraochial"?
 
tosca1 said:
I heard of a St Martin. De Porres.
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More about him:

Martin de Porres Velázquez, O.P., (9 December 1579 – 3 November 1639) was a Peruvian lay brother of the Dominican Order who was beatified in 1837 by Pope Gregory XVI and canonized in 1962 by Pope John XXIII. He is the patron saint of mixed-race people, barbers, innkeepers, public health workers, and all those seeking racial harmony.

He was noted for his work on behalf of the poor, establishing an orphanage and a children's hospital. He maintained an austere lifestyle, which included fasting and abstaining from meat. Among the many miracles attributed to him were those of levitation, bilocation, miraculous knowledge, instantaneous cures, and an ability to communicate with animals.
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Martin de Porres - Wikipedia
 
tosca1 said:
Being a former Catholic -
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I think one need not be a Catholic to have heard of Saint Martin of Tours and the legend about him.
He and his legend is world heritage.
But obviously nobody in the US has ever heard about it.

One could say that the US is the most "parochial" country on earth.
 
Rumpel said:
Here is the legend:



Martin of Tours - Wikipedia

Where I live, every child has heard about this legend.

Now I have been told that Saint Martin is completely unknown in the rest of the world and only some un-important parochial saint somewhere.

Now that interests me now.

Can it really be, that nobody in the USA etc etc has ever heard of Saint Martin?
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It's supposed to be a nice place to take a vacation, except during hurricane season.
 
Rumpel said:
I expected something like this :roll:
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:shrug: expecting people in one country to be experts in the minutiae of another country's culture is silly. What do you know of the history of rodeo clowns?
 
But it is not about Saint Martin alone.

I have been told that neither Mary Mother of Jesus nor Thomas the Apostle nor other saints mean anything to US Christians.
 
tacomancer said:
:shrug: expecting people in one country to be experts in the minutiae of another country's culture is silly. What do you know of the history of rodeo clowns?
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Or to even care...
 
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