The Left Needs to Chill Out About Christianity

[Angel]

their things that shape people and therefore their views on morality

their may be no ultimate authority but it will produce forms of order so its not anarchy

Whistling Dixie through the nose.
Bravo.

 

[blarg]

Whistling Dixie through the nose.
Bravo.

an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.


there's no authority but there are selective forces to produce order

so no not anarchy

 

[Angel]

W. B. Yeats, 1865 - 1939

The Second Coming

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/second-coming



If you thought Frost was tough, wait until you get a load of Yeats!
Good luck, little buddy.
By the way, it's pronounced "Yates"

their things that shape people and therefore their views on morality

their may be no ultimate authority but it will produce forms of order so its not anarchy

an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.


there's no authority but there are selective forces to produce order

so no not anarchy

 

[help3434]

an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.


there's no authority but there are selective forces to produce order

so no not anarchy

Well, that is anarchy in the non pejorative sense, spontaneous order with no permanent hierarchy. Maybe Angel could have a point.

 

[zyzygy]

Well, that is anarchy in the non pejorative sense, spontaneous order with no permanent hierarchy. Maybe Angel could have a point.

There is a first time for everything.

 

[Angel]

There is a first time for everything.

Yes, there's still hope, zyz! Nil desperandum.

 

[btthegreat]

[ did not read 41 pages of posts]

Any progressives, liberals or leftists that want to actually accomplish any serious reforms in this country, have no business playing around with some silly schism or division between theists and atheists/ agnostics among our ranks. In the history of the US, I cannot think of a single major political reform movement that had significant long term impact, that did not need the voices and resources of progressive reform minded Christians or Jews and major support of like-minded houses of worship and clerics. Every peace movement, every workers movement, every civil rights movement, and every poverty initiative, the environmental movement etc all required the push of progressive theologians and congregations to provide organizational, structural and financial reach. We will go absolutely nowhere, if we sneer or criticize prospective and vital potential allies, because they quote scripture, while we quote philosophers and secular thinkers to get to the same place and promote the same goals. We clearly don't need all or even most theists to make things happen, but we need some of them!

 

[nota bene]

Yes, there's still hope, zyz! Nil desperandum.

No, never. And thanks for the Yeats ref. I've borne him a bit of vague ill-will since grad school and the 50+-age bibliography I had to create, but I've done a little revisiting now. "The Ballad of Father Gilligan": 19. The Ballad of Father Gilligan by William Butler Yeats. Colum, Padraic. 1922. Anthology of Irish Verse