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The Las Vegas shooting proves gun bans work

ludin said:
so as i thought you have no proof and once again are making crap up and dishonestly making other peoples arguments for them and basically lying about what is being said.
at least now you finally admit it.

mass shootings are only 1% of all gun violence according to the FBI.
suicide is number 1 with about 50% of all shootings resulting in suicide.
the rest is filled with usual criminal behavior.


there are more poison deaths in america than guns there are more motor vehicle deaths than guns according to the CDC.


Mass shootings make up far less than 1% of US gun deaths, the study notes, but how many mass shootings there are per year depends on which definition you use.
Why do gun purchases spike after mass shootings? - CNN




that has nothing to do with your argument or what you said. you were talking about straw purchases
the same moronic argument that jet always made. straw purchases are already illegal.
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SO you deny that you're tagging these deaths as negligible, and then you follow that up by talking about how few deaths there were.

And you don't see a problem with that?
 
Threegoofs said:
It’s not hard to understand the cause.

But until the gun crowd is able to grasp that easy availability is the problem, it’s not useful to talk about solutions, because your response will always come back to ‘but that won’t solve the problem!’.

It’s like the guy who denies saturated fat is a health problem and demands to know which cut of steak should be banned.
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Where have I heard this sort off 'logic' from you before? Oh that's right, climate change. You don't have any 'solutions' for that either. The bolded might be the funniest thing I have read recently. Let me help you out with that: If your 'solutions' don't solve the problem then they aren't solutions. Let that sink in.
 
Threegoofs said:
Thats two thousand about 16 years ago, and a few dozen ten years ago.

We are talking about tens of thousands of gun deaths per year in the US. Every single year.

Why do you feel the need to downplay the extent of gun carnage?
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I don't downplay or discount what goes on with guns. The 2nd amendment is one of the greatest rights a person can have. Just because the right is abused by some, people like you shouldn't have the right to discount or downplay my right to self defense.

Let's ban cars as well. They are lethal and do not require FBI background checks.

While we are at it, lets ban online ordering of cutlery like the Brits are voting on.
 
Fletch said:
Where have I heard this sort off 'logic' from you before? Oh that's right, climate change. You don't have any 'solutions' for that either. The bolded might be the funniest thing I have read recently. Let me help you out with that: If your 'solutions' don't solve the problem then they aren't solutions. Let that sink in.
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Odd. Ive described detailed solutions several times.

But its pointless to outline them to someone who cant even grasp the problem.
 
Absentglare said:
SO you deny that you're tagging these deaths as negligible, and then you follow that up by talking about how few deaths there were.

And you don't see a problem with that?
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that isn't what i said at all you are just being dishonest. you asked a question about mass shootings and gun deaths and i gave you the FBI and CDC statisics.
so the question is why can't you be honest instead of dishonest?
 
RetiredUSN said:
I don't downplay or discount what goes on with guns. The 2nd amendment is one of the greatest rights a person can have. Just because the right is abused by some, people like you shouldn't have the right to discount or downplay my right to self defense.

Let's ban cars as well. They are lethal and do not require FBI background checks.

While we are at it, lets ban online ordering of cutlery like the Brits are voting on.
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Yet I cant help but notice that you still have been unable to come up with a 'falsehood' from my other post.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You know damn well what I was referring to, and my gist.

Bad people are going to do bad things.
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So let's not worry that we are making as easy as possible for bad people to kill as many people as quickly as possible? That is just nuts. The founders surely did not mean for that to happen but the NRA sure did. Full auto machine guns modified to shoot semi-auto should never have been allowed. They are not needed for protection and are too easy to return to full auto death machines.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
You know damn well what I was referring to, and my gist.

Bad people are going to do bad things.
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Yep, and a culture of violence, promoted by the Hollywood, creates bad people that can kill others with guns, cars, knives, etc.
So we have to control the culture, the education, not the guns, cars or knives.
 
holbritter said:
Don't play the victim. You knew exactly what you were doing. There are other threads, besides one in gun control.
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I am not playing the victim. I am likely treating them
 
Art_Allm said:
Yep, and a culture of violence, promoted by the Hollywood, creates bad people that can kill others with guns, cars, knives, etc.
So we have to control the culture, the education, not the guns, cars or knives.
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Some gun banners love supporting their "slap the bitch" rap singers as artists, and can't wait to play the next shootem up game.

Reality sucks when it gets carried away.
 
RetiredUSN said:
And you said that the availability of guns increases the death rate.

Which, all by itself is false.
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I will have to say, though, that that statement would not be false.

Look at it from a country level:

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Or maybe from a state level:

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Fletch said:
What do you suggest be done?
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Other nations have dealt successfully with the problem, Australia for one. But why bother when we have the NRA lobbyists that will put down any measure we suggest? No, we must live in dystopia because gun makers make lots of money.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
How many times do you hear about some crazy Bubba or Jim Bob firing a machine gun into a crowd of people? Not very often. These kind of shootings with many scores of deaths would happen a lot more often if "freedumb" demanded we be allowed to purchase machine guns. But instead they have to settle for non-machine gun assault weapons.

So now that we've established gun bans work, what's more important: people's lives or "freedumb" and "liberteh"?
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Typical liberal standing on the yet to be buried bodies to promote his political agenda. You don't hear of mass shootings happening in gun shops, shows, ranges, or police stations. Wonder why?
 
iguanaman said:
Other nations have dealt successfully with the problem, Australia for one. But why bother when we have the NRA lobbyists that will put down any measure we suggest.
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So confiscation then?
 
Art_Allm said:
Yep, and a culture of violence, promoted by the Hollywood, creates bad people that can kill others with guns, cars, knives, etc.
So we have to control the culture, the education, not the guns, cars or knives.
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Because automatic weapons are just like cars. They are both made to kill lots of people and nothing else.
 
ludin said:
that isn't what i said at all you are just being dishonest. you asked a question about mass shootings and gun deaths and i gave you the FBI and CDC statisics.
so the question is why can't you be honest instead of dishonest?
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Not at all. I said that these deaths are considered acceptable losses by pro gun advocates. That's perfectly consistent with your argument that such a small number of people died, that we should ignore the fact that these people died.

Furthermore, my other argument was that the NRA opposes the strict enforcement of existing gun control laws. They oppose laws currently on the books. Haven't you seen how these campaigns are playing out? The gun advocate says "we need to expand our second amendment freedoms" while the gun control advocate says, "we need sensible gun control policy to keep us safe."

Only one side of this argument has the courage to consider the victims of these mass shooting tragedies.
 
Fletch said:
So confiscation then?
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No but perhaps a rethink of selling automatic weapons modified as "semi-auto" would be in order. Like I said even that little step would not get passed the NRA. Selling machine guns is a big business after all. We can't let a few mass killings interfere with making money can we?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Screw this "well, people just died!" stuff.

People can send "thoughts and prayers", but we can't talk about something that will actually save lives? I'm done playing this dumb game.
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You can legally own automatics. So much for your thread premise.:roll: It is doubtful his was legal.
 
Ikari said:
Who ever said guns were safe?
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Given every Tom Dick and Harry can buy one .... (or ten in this instance) I guess that must be right ?

Yet another legal firearms owner 58 dead and 500 injured and counting ..... nothing to see here :(
 
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