The Kristi Noem threads have me thinking about Trump's VP choice

[RaleBulgarian]

they both work for me

Cool.

Neither will work for the majority of Americans, so I’m all for Traitor Trump picking either of them.

 

[anatta]

Cool.

Neither will work for the majority of Americans, so I’m all for Traitor Trump picking either of them.

see how it goes

 

[anatta]

Nobody cares what a VP actually thinks. It's just a signal to swing voters that they care about X demographic. X could be everything from African American women to white evangelical men.

pretty much. but a good VP can also help campaign

 

[Buckeyes85]

She did the right thing before that dog attacked a child. Fuking libtards buy pitbulls then make excuses for it when it kills a kid.

This post is so stupid, on so many levels that it's difficult to contemplate how it could have been any worse.

 

[gbg3]

I'm inclined to take you up on your bet. Trump has a couple more problems with his 'choice' than most candidates. Firstly, that choice will have to be an unconditional adherent of the 2020 election was rigged/stolen scenario, and by some inexplicable coincidence, a lot of the 'emptiest barrel' candidates self-select for that. Secondly, what happened to his last pick is an issue. On the face of it, Mike Pence was a solid choice who did at times cause the Dems to worry . . . and just look how he ended up. And, unlike say with the defenestration of Kevin McCarthy, the buck with what happened to Mike lands on the VP boss's desk. And unlike The Apprentice where you can get away with that and it's heigh ho and on to the next series, this time round's pick is never going to escape being looked at less as VP than inevitable sacrificial scapegoat.

The pick may possibly not be 'utterly horrible' in themselves, but that'll be the fate awaiting them.

Lindsay Graham

We'll see. I think he'll make a smart and good choice. I'd agree that Mike Pence was a solid choice and one who surprised many.

Now, as I discussed earlier, regardless of the choice, the Dems will have to say it's a terrible choice. You and I can continue this discussion (bet) after the decision, but we'd first have to find common ground on some names we both agreed were examples of good and terrible choices. I'll start. I think Rubio would be a very good choice and I think MTG and Lake would be terrible choices. Would we even agree on those first few examples?

 

[gbg3]

LOL, you think Trump would come back to New York where he's a pariah? I don't think so. Plus, he'd never lift a finger to help anyone.

I was betting Trump would pick Noem, but now I'm leaning towards Tulsi Gabbard. She's a Russia apologist and a Fox News sweetheart now.

New York wouldn't become Trump's long-term residence. The two of them (Trump/Rubio) would have to do just enough to satisfy the requirement and for Trump, it's easy since he already owns multiple homes. That whole same state thing is not a complication, most especially for Trump. It's easy and temporary.

 

[trixare4kids]

I wonder what Rubio thinks about Trump's stance on birthright citizenship.

Trump pledges to end birthright citizenship on first day in office

Former President Trump is returning to his calls to remove birthright citizenship, with his 2024 White House campaign announcing Tuesday he would seek to end it via executive order on his first day…

thehill.com

Yes, it would be interesting to hear what Rubio has to say about it as he was born to non-citizens, but permanent residents of the U.S.
However, that all said, Trump can promise and even do away with birthright citizenship by EO on his first day of office, but it ultimately will be found unconstitutional by the SC. It's going to take an act of congress to amend the 14th in order to do away with birthright citizenship, a very hard thing to get done.

 

[Airyaman]

New York wouldn't become Trump's long-term residence. The two of them (Trump/Rubio) would have to do just enough to satisfy the requirement and for Trump, it's easy since he already owns multiple homes. That whole same state thing is not a complication, most especially for Trump. It's easy and temporary.

What gave you the idea Rubio was even in the mix?

 

[gbg3]

T/Y for your sharing the above. I actually agree with your points above. He would pull in the Hispanic and Catholic vote.

Never thought about Rubio until you mentioned him so I did some searching and you're not the only one who sees him moving up the list. It's also good to read that he's become a lot tougher when it comes to immigration policy.

"Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., is moving up the list of former President Donald Trump's potential vice presidential picks, according to six people familiar with the presumptive Republican nominee's search for a running mate."

Trump eyes Sen. Marco Rubio as a potential VP pick

The shortlist remains on the long side. But the senator from Florida is gaining traction, six sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

I like Bret Baier's show and watch it every weekday. Bret often does a thing at the end called "candidate casino". The members of the panel for that day each get 100 chips to place on VP guesses. Often, Tim Scott does well and a panel member might put 20 on Scott, maybe 20 on Stefanik, 10 on Tulsi, 10 on Vance, etc. Last week, one of the panelists put all 100 on Rubio. I'm not sure I've ever seen any panelist put 100 on anyone, but I nodded in agreement when I saw that happen.

But I'm wrong a lot, so we'll see.

 

[gbg3]

Byron Donald's is a good sycophant. But there's that Florida problem again.

I think Byron is a bit too new still - not enough experience yet. But I like him.

 

[gbg3]

Rubio is very good at explaining how shitty the Progressive agenda is

I agree.

 

[gbg3]

There's jobs you go into knowing you'll have to suck some stuff up and grin and bear it, but if you do a businesslike swot analysis of being Trump's VP pick, the downsides are substantial and exponentially increasing, the upsides . . . hard to discern unless you've taken the MTG pill.

The upsides are big - a kick start right into the 2028 election and only 4 years to wait until that presidential run.

 

[StarvedForChange]

New York wouldn't become Trump's long-term residence. The two of them (Trump/Rubio) would have to do just enough to satisfy the requirement and for Trump, it's easy since he already owns multiple homes. That whole same state thing is not a complication, most especially for Trump. It's easy and temporary.

I don't think Trump would lift a finger to help Rubio or anyone. He'd make Rubio make the effort. FYI: If Trump picked Rubio and Rubio had to switch residences, Rubio would also have to resign his Senate seat.

 

[gbg3]

pretty much. but a good VP can also help campaign

I think VP is a very big deal this time. These two guys are old. The current VP is terrible and the current POTUS is falling apart mentally and physically.

 

[gbg3]

What gave you the idea Rubio was even in the mix?

The news - TV and print. Google it and you'll find many sources discussing it. In current Rubio appearances on TV (which have increased dramatically lately), he's always asked about it now.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

I think Byron is a bit too new still - not enough experience yet. But I like him.

He's got more governing XP than Trump had in 2016

 

[gbg3]

I don't think Trump would lift a finger to help Rubio or anyone. He'd make Rubio make the effort. FYI: If Trump picked Rubio and Rubio had to switch residences, Rubio would also have to resign his Senate seat.

Which takes me right back to Trump already having multiple residences. I'm not going to spend any more time going back and forth on this because, IMO, it would be so easily handled, I consider it a non-issue.

 

[StarvedForChange]

Which takes me right back to Trump already having multiple residences. I'm not going to spend any more time going back and forth on this because, IMO, it would be so easily handled, I consider it a non-issue.

Ok.

 

[gbg3]

He's got more governing XP than Trump had in 2016

Okay but I still think he's too new. Trump has already made it clear he thinks choosing someone with experience and ready to step into the presidency, is important. I think the experience Trump had in 2016 is irrelevant to the criteria he's looking at in choosing a running mate for 2024.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Okay but I still think he's too new. Trump has already made it clear he thinks choosing someone with experience and ready to step into the presidency, is important. I think the experience Trump had in 2016 is irrelevant to the criteria he's looking at in choosing a running mate for 2024.

So no more outsiders? Need someone more establishment? Sounds swampy

 

[ldub23]

It's been a bit since there has been a thread about Trump's VP pick. One could imagine he's got some pretty strong opinions about the choice by now but, if so, they aren't getting successfully leaked.

My current guess is Rubio. What are others thinking and has your guess changed? Mine has. My guess has kind of evolved over time. I once though Tim Scott, then Stefanik, but now I'm thinking Rubio is feeling most likely.

2 from Florida? Nikki Haley

 

[gbg3]

2 from Florida? Nikki Haley

Nikki wouldn't completely shock me but the two of them ended on pretty bad terms. I think she's unlikely.

 

[Callen]

Okay but I still think he's too new. Trump has already made it clear he thinks choosing someone with experience and ready to step into the presidency, is important. I think the experience Trump had in 2016 is irrelevant to the criteria he's looking at in choosing a running mate for 2024.

Trump doesn't give a damn about choosing someone with experience who is ready to step into the presidency. He only cares about who might garner votes that he may be lacking in and above all who will be loyal to him. You are kidding yourself, or rather he is kidding you , if you think his choice has any altruistic or selfless motive.....that's not who he is.

 

[gbg3]

So no more outsiders? Need someone more establishment? Sounds swampy

I think you have a bit of a point here. And I think Trump might make a slightly more establishment choice than some want. But just slightly and with the purpose of pulling Republicans together more. Rubio is that person, IMO. Kind of establishment and very well known, but very solidly conservative. I think he would be a really smart pick. I think the Rubio pick would draw a bigger base of support and not lose many in the process. Some on the far right would be a bit annoyed but I don't see them deserting Trump.

 

[Michael Cole]

I think Byron is a bit too new still - not enough experience yet. But I like him.

Being new isn't necessarily a disadvantage, but he's from Florida. Can't do it.

He defends Trump and he's a minority. He'd be a good pick.