The justification for wealth-redistribution.[W:2037]

[Arbo]

Workers have jobs because they developed useful skills. I think that you're jealous.

I think you smoke crack, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Good skills can get one a better job than no skills, but either way, if they are looking to be a 'worker', then they are relying on others to provide a job.

I'm sitting here thinking,

This thread has proven that is not something that ever occurs.

Clearly you are unable to find

I understand you do not like to back up anything you say, thus must continually try to spin it back. You are the one that made a claim about the success of socialist countries, thus you are the one that must show it to be true. Like every other bit of socialist BS you have been spewing, you have yet to prove a damn thing.

You claim to be a businessman, you claim to be successful, you claim to believe in capitalism, yet you don't know the most fundamental principle of how and why it works. You claim to understand and reject socialism but you have displayed only ignorance of that.

Again, you try to spin things back to cover for your own ignorance and inability to back up anything you say with evidence. Sorry, it is still a massive failure on your part. Why are you wasting everybody's time with your nonsense? Do you really believe anyone here is so stupid as to believe anything you have to say? Even more so when you do not have the ability to back any of it up?

 

[PMZ]

I think you smoke crack, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Good skills can get one a better job than no skills, but either way, if they are looking to be a 'worker', then they are relying on others to provide a job.



This thread has proven that is not something that ever occurs.



I understand you do not like to back up anything you say, thus must continually try to spin it back. You are the one that made a claim about the success of socialist countries, thus you are the one that must show it to be true. Like every other bit of socialist BS you have been spewing, you have yet to prove a damn thing.



Again, you try to spin things back to cover for your own ignorance and inability to back up anything you say with evidence. Sorry, it is still a massive failure on your part. Why are you wasting everybody's time with your nonsense? Do you really believe anyone here is so stupid as to believe anything you have to say? Even more so when you do not have the ability to back any of it up?

What I see is your credibility setting like the sun. You are all bluster and vitriol and hate for your fellow man. If you were able to build a successful business on those characteristics, you are the first one in history.

 

[Papa bull]

Where did your low opinion of your species come from? A need to feel superior to some of them?

Where do you pull these idiotic assumptions from? Understanding reality doesn't equate to a "low opinion of my species". I just told you how things work in the real world. You seem to almost... ALMOST... get it. People get paid what the job they are doing is worth and the skills they have learned are what qualify them for these jobs. If the "useful skills" aren't worth much, they don't get paid much. Others, like Doctors and Lawyers get paid a lot more. Acknowledging that reality doesn't equate to a "high opinion of my species", either, by the way. Reality is just reality.

 

[Papa bull]

How do you explain the data on wealth distribution in the US?

Some people earn a lot more than others. That's the explanation. Next stupid question?

 

[Arbo]

What I see is your credibility setting like the sun. You are all bluster and vitriol and hate for your fellow man. If you were able to build a successful business on those characteristics, you are the first one in history.

You are so full of ****, and I think you have finally realized nobody is falling for your partisan crap. It leaves you with no option but to do as we see you do above. Take it to the 'personal' level.

It is noted you have been asked dozens of times, by many people, to back up just ONE of your claims, and you have continued to dodge and divert in order to never have to provide any evidence that supports any of your beliefs.

Let's just go back to the mosts recent one about how socialism 'works' according to you. There are some policies in the US that are 'socialist' based, or tend to come from such a belief system. The concept of welfare being one of them. Shall we discuss the level of poverty in America and how poorly this 'welfare' system has worked to help people out of poverty over the last several decades? You call it a success when there are far more people in poverty now than before? Interesting.

Perhaps we could discuss the great success that is Cuba or Venezuela. Tell us about how great life is in those countries and how the policies have made it so great. Let's hear something other than your BS rhetoric and dodging for a change.

 

[PMZ]

Some people earn a lot more than others. That's the explanation. Next stupid question?

Somehow I am very confident that you believe that's the explanation, the whole explanation, and nothing but.

Why? It's self serving, and that's the limit of your "thinking".

 

[PMZ]

You are so full of ****, and I think you have finally realized nobody is falling for your partisan crap. It leaves you with no option but to do as we see you do above. Take it to the 'personal' level.

It is noted you have been asked dozens of times, by many people, to back up just ONE of your claims, and you have continued to dodge and divert in order to never have to provide any evidence that supports any of your beliefs.

Let's just go back to the mosts recent one about how socialism 'works' according to you. There are some policies in the US that are 'socialist' based, or tend to come from such a belief system. The concept of welfare being one of them. Shall we discuss the level of poverty in America and how poorly this 'welfare' system has worked to help people out of poverty over the last several decades? You call it a success when there are far more people in poverty now than before? Interesting.

Perhaps we could discuss the great success that is Cuba or Venezuela. Tell us about how great life is in those countries and how the policies have made it so great. Let's hear something other than your BS rhetoric and dodging for a change.

Ahhh, a glimmer of learning. Just a glimmer, but in the barren wasteland of your posting, it stands out.

While you are listing all of the countries that do not employ socialism, add to the list all of them without poverty.

Then explain your theory that the solution to poverty is to make the poor poorer and the rich, richer.

 

[Arbo]

Ahhh, a glimmer of learning.

Compared to you, a rock is a shining star.

Now do you ever intend to list off your socialist countries and how they are doing so well? No, I didn't think so, as even you know your barren ideas do not work. You are just to dishonest to admit it.
This is yet again shown by your unwillingness to address points made or back up anything you say.

Tell us about the greatness that is Venezuela, go for it.

 

[PMZ]

Compared to you, a rock is a shining star.

Now do you ever intend to list off your socialist countries and how they are doing so well? No, I didn't think so, as even you know your barren ideas do not work. You are just to dishonest to admit it.
This is yet again shown by your unwillingness to address points made or back up anything you say.

Tell us about the greatness that is Venezuela, go for it.

My list of the current countries in the world that employ socialism in some markets is all of them.

Where are your lists?

BTW, Cuba and Venezuela (and places like North Korea and China) are minority run tyrannys. Like you want here.

 

[Papa bull]

Somehow I am very confident that you believe that's the explanation, the whole explanation, and nothing but.

Why? It's self serving, and that's the limit of your "thinking".

It's reality and it's sad that the limit of your thinking doesn't extend to reality.

 

[PMZ]

It's reality and it's sad that the limit of your thinking doesn't extend to reality.

You don't get to choose reality. Reality is created by all of us.

Self interest without enlightenment is the law of the jungle. We left that a long time ago for good reason.

 

[Arbo]

My list

Does not exist, as you have had plenty of opportunity to provide a list of socialist countries and their socialist policies and how those policies have done 'good'. Yet we still see nothing but spin and diversion.

 

[PMZ]

Does not exist, as you have had plenty of opportunity to provide a list of socialist countries and their socialist policies and how those policies have done 'good'. Yet we still see nothing but spin and diversion.

My list is done. I've posted it three times. Nothing at all but whining from you.

What is a "socialist country"? Are we one? What are "socialist policies" (when socialism is an economic system)?

Why, in your mind, are the only things that work, what makes you dream of wealth?

If your life really is as you like to portray it here, what would it be like without workers who create wealth to sell?

So many questions. So few black and white answers that perhaps the world offers more than one good choice for everything.

 

[Arbo]

My list

Does not exist, as you have had plenty of opportunity to provide a list of socialist countries and their socialist policies and how those policies have done 'good'. Yet we still see nothing but spin and diversion.

 

[Papa bull]

You don't get to choose reality. Reality is created by all of us.

Self interest without enlightenment is the law of the jungle. We left that a long time ago for good reason.

I see the problem. You think you're enlightened when the truth of the matter is that you are simply not on speaking terms with reality.

 

[Arbo]

I see the problem. You think you're enlightened when the truth of the matter is that you are simply not on speaking terms with reality.

Snowball and his comrades all thought themselves enlightened. But then snowball was run off, and things didn't turn out to be quite the 'workers paradise' they were lead to believe in.

 

[Papa bull]

Snowball and his comrades all thought themselves enlightened. But then snowball was run off, and things didn't turn out to be quite the 'workers paradise' they were lead to believe in.

I think this thread has run it's course. I see zero room for anything resembling a reasonable discussion with PMZ and he's the only member of team-commie left taking up the argument for wealth redistribution. I think they've all abandoned ship and now we should just wave goodbye to PMZ as he gurgles his way to the bottom, going down with his ship.

 

[PMZ]

Does not exist, as you have had plenty of opportunity to provide a list of socialist countries and their socialist policies and how those policies have done 'good'. Yet we still see nothing but spin and diversion.

Clearly you've had an inconvenient encounter with truth and it's unsettling. The world is not as you've guessed. You are not king of it. You are unable to support your rants with a single fact.

That's OK. Learning is good. Don't throw what you've learned wishing that the world was a different place that favored you more.

 

[PMZ]

I see the problem. You think you're enlightened when the truth of the matter is that you are simply not on speaking terms with reality.

I understand your motivation for wanting what favors you to be reality. Kids do that all of the time to protect their fragile egoes while they are in development. It just takes longer for some people to leave that stage behind and accept reality as an adult. It is not what you want, but it's wise to want what it is.

Think about it.

 

[PMZ]

I think this thread has run it's course. I see zero room for anything resembling a reasonable discussion with PMZ and he's the only member of team-commie left taking up the argument for wealth redistribution. I think they've all abandoned ship and now we should just wave goodbye to PMZ as he gurgles his way to the bottom, going down with his ship.

Papabullshi* needs an out. He's surrounded and defeated by truth. Ouch!

What he has yet to learn is, that no matter how much he wants his way, he's an insignificant cog in the universe, and not learning that yet is a sign of wasted education, not studied insight.

We all learn, on purpose or by painful run ins with reality. He's chosen the hard way.

 

[Arbo]

Clearly you've had an inconvenient encounter with truth and it's unsettling. The world is not as you've guessed. You are not king of it. You are unable to support your rants with a single fact.

That's OK. Learning is good. Don't throw what you've learned wishing that the world was a different place that favored you more.

I live in reality, no amount of spin or diversion on your part changes that, nor does it change that you have yet to make a point and back it with any sort of factual data. You are merely a socialist wannabe, that isn't smart enough to understand your philosophy doesn't work. You used to at least stick to your talking points without any facts, now that you have be slaughtered by many people you resort to this bad smack talk as a means to divert attention from how badly your ideas, and your presentation suck.

Keep fighting the power snowball, it will get you nowhere, but it will keep you occupied.

 

[PMZ]

I live in reality, no amount of spin or diversion on your part changes that, nor does it change that you have yet to make a point and back it with any sort of factual data. You are merely a socialist wannabe, that isn't smart enough to understand your philosophy doesn't work. You used to at least stick to your talking points without any facts, now that you have be slaughtered by many people you resort to this bad smack talk as a means to divert attention from how badly your ideas, and your presentation suck.

Keep fighting the power snowball, it will get you nowhere, but it will keep you occupied.

Please identify any words in your post whereby you demonstrated anything other than what you wish was true.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Snowball and his comrades all thought themselves enlightened. But then snowball was run off, and things didn't turn out to be quite the 'workers paradise' they were lead to believe in.

That is because some animals are more equal then others.

BTW, is he Snowball, or Squealer? Snowball at least had some valid points, Squealer was simply an empty mouthpiece for the Party Line.

 

[Arbo]

That is because some animals are more equal then others.

BTW, is he Snowball, or Squealer? Snowball at least had some valid points, Squealer was simply an empty mouthpiece for the Party Line.

Point taken. I think Squealer, as he/she/it is merely a mouthpiece to repeat the propaganda. Not enough brainpower to come up with the ideas to keep others down like Napoleon.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I live in reality, no amount of spin or diversion on your part changes that, nor does it change that you have yet to make a point and back it with any sort of factual data.

You mean kind of like what things are like for those that are homeless, or live in ghettos?

I still chuckle to myself at that.

You are merely a socialist wannabe, that isn't smart enough to understand your philosophy doesn't work.

Most like that I meet and know tend to fall into one of two camps:

1. The rich (usually white) guys who got everything that they wanted, and now insist that everybody else gives up what they have to the poor. Notice however, these types never really do anything themselves beyond platitudes to make things better for them themselves, they just want others to do it for them so they will not feel guilty.

2. The bitter, who think that they never got what they deserved, therefore want to see it taken away from others and given to them.

I would love to take some of those, and let them see what real poverty is like. Where the greatest health risk to those at the lower layers of society is not obesity, but true starvation.

This is Protein–energy malnutrition, basically the body starting to digest itself because of gross malnutrition:

This is the problem in the US, where childhood obesity is a major issue: