The Judge Speaks

[Chaddelamancha]

Obama denied and our SEALS died

I would have to see some proof where the President directly denied the help.

 

[AdamT]

I would have to see some proof where the President directly denied the help.

You won't, because it never happened.

 

[TurtleDude]

You won't, because it never happened.

He's the man in charge He's responsible. You can weasel and deny all you want but the fact is

OBAMA DENIED AND OUR SEALS DIED

 

[Chaddelamancha]

You won't, because it never happened.

True and this is where the conservatives resort to rhetoric or hyperbole to try and win the argument.

 

[nota bene]

True and this is where the conservatives resort to rhetoric or hyperbole to try and win the argument.

Overgeneralize much?

 

[AdamT]

He's the man in charge He's responsible. You can weasel and deny all you want but the fact is

OBAMA DENIED AND OUR SEALS DIED

He did not order anyone to stand down, but I'll grant you that the buck stops there and he is ultimately responsibe for those four lives, just as Bush is ultimately responsible for the 3000 lives lost on 911, the 4000 American lives lost in Iraq, the tens of thousands of US causalities, and the hundreds of thousands of lost Iraqi lives.

Oops! I forgot we're not supposed to talk about right wing hypocrisy ... err ... I mean Bush.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Overgeneralize much?

Avoid showing evidence much? See, I can do it too.

 

[Fisher]

I find it twisted the the left is attacking the Republican who is believed to have leaked the cable for putting Libyan informants' lives in danger but they don't give a damn about the American lives that were lost in Libya.

 

[AdamT]

I find it twisted the the left is attacking the Republican who is believed to have leaked the cable for putting Libyan informants' lives in danger but they don't give a damn about the American lives that were lost in Libya.

What an incredibly stupid comment. Everyone cares about the lives that were lost. But everyone doesn't want to cheapen them by turning their deaths into pathetic political theater.

 

[nota bene]

Avoid showing evidence much? See, I can do it too.

I guess you haven't been reading my posts. Fair enough. Disappointing, though, that you hope to have a reasonable dialogue when your best is overgeneralized smears against conservatives.

How about this? How about we stick to the facts as they have been reported and continue to come in? Would this work for you, or would you prefer posting dumb overgeneralizations that diminish your credibility?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I find it twisted the the left is attacking the Republican who is believed to have leaked the cable for putting Libyan informants' lives in danger but they don't give a damn about the American lives that were lost in Libya.

Show me where all of these lefties are saying that they don't care about American lives lost in Libya.

 

[nota bene]

What an incredibly stupid comment. Everyone cares about the lives that were lost. But everyone doesn't want to cheapen them by turning their deaths into pathetic political theater.

Gee, and yet you've posted so many comments that have, in fact, cheapened the deaths of two real heroes.

Wanting the facts isn't political theater. Not everybody is a knee-jerk partisan hack, Adam. But do carry on. Bring Bush up again. And again. And again. Anything to avoid focusing on what happened in Benghazi.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Please, Fox News is only reporting this to politicize it as a negative for the Obama administration.

UH - it IS a negative for the OBama administration. Is THAT why none of the other 'news organizations' have completely ignored it?

Do you REALLY think that such a tragedy as this happening under the Bush administration would not have been 24/7 all out news all the time?

Look what they did with the Valarie Plame fiasco. They had reporters camped out at the homes of every Bush official they could think of DEMANDING answers - all the time.

THIS thing is 1000x what Watergate was. This is a national security issue reflecting DIRECTLY on the competence/integrity of the people in charge - and it came two months before an election for continuation of that administration. You would think that the "journalists" would all be pursuing this night and day = if not for their pride in their profession, then for the Pulitzer Prize that awaits the one who makes the take-down investigation.

What do they do? They hunker down in their bunkers along with Obama and thank GOD - the one they don't really believe in - for delivering them a Hurricane to take the heat off the real scandal brewing.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I guess you haven't been reading my posts. Fair enough. Disappointing, though, that you hope to have a reasonable dialogue when your best is overgeneralized smears against conservatives.

How about this? How about we stick to the facts as they have been reported and continue to come in? Would this work for you, or would you prefer posting dumb overgeneralizations that diminish your credibility?

Facts are exactly what I was asking for. The comments about conservatives is merely my opinion. Did I overgeneralize? Yes, mostly based upon experience. But if you want to show me where the President himself directly denied any kind of aid for Libya, I am willing to listen.

 

[TurtleDude]

He did not order anyone to stand down, but I'll grant you that the buck stops there and he is ultimately responsibe for those four lives, just as Bush is ultimately responsible for the 3000 lives lost on 911, the 4000 American lives lost in Iraq, the tens of thousands of US causalities, and the hundreds of thousands of lost Iraqi lives.

Oops! I forgot we're not supposed to talk about right wing hypocrisy ... err ... I mean Bush.

If Bush was running against Obunny you might have a point. but he isn't. So your little rant has no relevance

 

[Green Balls]

I would expect nothing less of Fox news for continuing coverage on this subject. It's simple psychology, the power of persuasion. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over with a little variance and people will believe you are telling the truth. Fox news has been doing this for years, that's part of the reason why they have such a high viewership. The sheep of America.

It seems too simplistic that just repeating a persuasive message should increase its effect, but that's exactly what psychological research finds (again and again). Repetition is one of the easiest and most widespread methods of persuasion. In fact it's so obvious that we sometimes forget how powerful it is.

People rate statements that have been repeated just once as more valid or true than things they've heard for the first time. They even rate statements as truer when the person saying them has been repeatedly lying (Begg et al., 1992).

And when we think something is more true, we also tend to be more persuaded by it. Several studies have shown that people are more swayed when they hear statements of opinion and persuasive messages more than once.

Repetition is effective almost across the board when people are paying little attention, but when they are concentrating and the argument is weak, the effect disappears (Moons et al., 2008).

In other words, it's no good repeating a weak argument to people who are listening carefully. But if people aren't motivated to scrutinise your arguments carefully then repeat away with abandon—the audience will find the argument more familiar and, therefore, more persuasive.

This suggests we should remain critical while watching TV adverts or the message will creep in under our defences. You might think it's better to let the ads wash over you, without thinking too much, but just the reverse is true. Really we should be highly critical otherwise, before we know it, we're singing the jingle, quoting the tag-line and buying the product.

When the argument is strong, though, it doesn't matter whether or not the audience is concentrating hard, repetition will increase persuasion.

The Illusion of Truth

 

[Chaddelamancha]

UH - it IS a negative for the OBama administration. Is THAT why none of the other 'news organizations' have completely ignored it?

Do you REALLY think that such a tragedy as this happening under the Bush administration would not have been 24/7 all out news all the time?

Look what they did with the Valarie Plame fiasco. They had reporters camped out at the homes of every Bush official they could think of DEMANDING answers - all the time.

THIS thing is 1000x what Watergate was. This is a national security issue reflecting DIRECTLY on the competence/integrity of the people in charge - and it came two months before an election for continuation of that administration. You would think that the "journalists" would all be pursuing this night and day = if not for their pride in their profession, then for the Pulitzer Prize that awaits the one who makes the take-down investigation.

What do they do? They hunker down in their bunkers along with Obama and thank GOD - the one they don't really believe in - for delivering them a Hurricane to take the heat off the real scandal brewing.

I wouldn't go that route. Then we have nothing to argue. However, I do think that if this was anything like Watergate, and journalist worth their weight would be all over it. And to suggest that Fox News is the only media to have journalists of this caliber would be incorrect.

 

[Lutherf]

True and this is where the conservatives resort to rhetoric or hyperbole to try and win the argument.

So it's your contention that Obama is simply incompetent instead of willfully negligent...swell.:roll:

 

[nota bene]

Facts are exactly what I was asking for. The comments about conservatives is merely my opinion. Did I overgeneralize? Yes, mostly based upon experience. But if you want to show me where the President himself directly denied any kind of aid for Libya, I am willing to listen.

You're going to have to wait--as will we all--until somebody dares to blow the whistle. I don't know what the President personally did...but has been discussed for days now, he doesn't want the American public to know.

 

[nota bene]

So it's your contention that Obama is simply incompetent instead of willfully negligent...swell.:roll:

Sadly, both of these possibilities could be true.

 

[TurtleDude]

So it's your contention that Obama is simply incompetent instead of willfully negligent...swell.:roll:

I say he is both. He was incompetent in not sending help and he was willfully dishonest in covering up what happened

 

[AdamT]

You're going to have to wait--as will we all--until somebody dares to blow the whistle. I don't know what the President personally did...but has been discussed for days now, he doesn't want the American public to know.

Right, which is why the WH has specifically denied giving any such order, and it's why the entire incident is presently under investigation. It's a big conspiracy.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

If Bush was running against Obunny you might have a point. but he isn't. So your little rant has no relevance

No, he is running against Romney, who's first act after this heinous act, was to condemn the Presidents response. Instead of supporting America when it was most needed, he took it as an opportunity to bash our country's leader. Not only a classless act, but in no way benefited our country. Even Reagan, who Romney LOVES to compare himself to, had the decency not to attack Carter for the hostage situation.

 

[Fisher]

Show me where all of these lefties are saying that they don't care about American lives lost in Libya.

I would love to but they are currently hidden by my ignore list so you will just have to seek them out on your own if you really desire to see them but they are here. I can tolerate a lot of things, but not people who pretend to have values but then dismiss the lives of our fallen.

 

[Lutherf]

What an incredibly stupid comment. Everyone cares about the lives that were lost. But everyone doesn't want to cheapen them by turning their deaths into pathetic political theater.

Political theater??!!!!

Hey bud, we're having an election for President next week and the incumbent has proved that he is either completely incompetent or willfully negligent. The isn't "theater". It's a call to those who might still have a ballot in their hands to think really hard before they cast that vote.