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The Jesus Sacrifice Thing

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So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?
 
calamity said:
So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?
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No, you left a bunch of it out.
 
other than the 'begats', i believe your condensed version is complete
 
calamity said:
So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?
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This is like a 5 year old making fun of calculus.
 
calamity said:
Pray tell, do lay out the college version.
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For someone acting like a 5 year old making fun of concepts beyond their grasp? No, thanks.

Have a good day.
 
ecofarm said:
For someone acting like a 5 year old making fun of concepts beyond their grasp? No, thanks.

Have a good day.
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Uh-huh. I didn't think so.
 
justabubba said:
other than the 'begats', i believe your condensed version is complete
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I figure one of the "experts" can give us a more detailed version of the myth. But, in the end, I suspect it won't change much.
 
ecofarm said:
Next time don't ask, thanks.
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You should do it--you know--since you popped off and all. I dare ya.


I need something to critique and rip apart tonight. So, give it your best shot.
 
calamity said:
So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?
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Actually it doesn't make a lick of sense, does it?
 
Elvira said:
Actually it doesn't make a lick of sense, does it?
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It makes no sense at all, when stripped down to bare bones. I'm sure I can spin some yarn to make it all appear to make sense. But, in essence, what we have at its core is what I wrote. And, that makes no sense at all.

Now, as I told Eco, I am open to hearing more detailed explanations. But, I will most certainly challenge them.
 
calamity said:
It makes no sense at all, when stripped down to bare bones. I'm sure I can spin some yarn to make it all appear to make sense. But, in essence, what we have at its core is what I wrote. And, that makes no sense at all.

Now, as I told Eco, I am open to hearing more detailed explanations. But, I will most certainly challenge them.
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You'll get no spin from me...don't believe it, never did believe it, never will believe it...

The Pagan Origins Of The Trinity Doctrine

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html

Early Christian History / Trinitarian Truth
 
calamity said:
So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?
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Why should what you personally believe or don't believe make any difference to me? I'm not responsible for what you believe. You are. If you're interested in exploring the divinity of Jesus, there are literally thousands upon thousands of discussions of it available to you, both pro and con. Now if you were going to be honest about it, you'd admit you have no real interest. You're simply bored.
 
The story referenced is the creation of a fraud called Saul/Paul of Tarsus......a talented and ambitious fraud who cobbled together some old Pagan myths, added them into the many stories about a radical Pharisee rabbi called Jesus of Nazareth, and came up with a new religion that he sold to the Gentiles quite successfully--gaining wealth and power for himself and a Gentile disciple named Luke.

All Christian tradition comes from the imaginative storytelling and writings of these two and their followers.
 
Most Christians......befuddled and bewitched by romantic stories of supernatural powers--have no idea that their entire religion rests solely on the testimony of these two men.......Saul and Luke--and their Gentile followers.

One man, Saul......actually started the whole charade.

He was in league with the Romans and ended his days in his own home in Rome, still preaching his fantasy.
 
Vox said:
Most Christians......befuddled and bewitched by romantic stories of supernatural powers--have no idea that their entire religion rests solely on the testimony of these two men.......Saul and Luke--and their Gentile followers.

One man, Saul......actually started the whole charade.

He was in league with the Romans and ended his days in his own home in Rome, still preaching his fantasy.
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Borrowed a little from the Greeks and various Assyrian myths from what I can tell. I'm about to check out Elvira's links to see what they have to offer.
 
humbolt said:
Why should what you personally believe or don't believe make any difference to me? I'm not responsible for what you believe. You are. If you're interested in exploring the divinity of Jesus, there are literally thousands upon thousands of discussions of it available to you, both pro and con. Now if you were going to be honest about it, you'd admit you have no real interest. You're simply bored.
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It's a worthwhile subject, this Christ thing. IMO, if we dispense with the obvious bull****, it can lead to a very reasonable discussion. One bit of bull**** is this Trinity concept, as Elvira's three links so nicely dispel. Moving past that is probably more than most "believers" are willing to go, however.

We can discuss it if you wish.
 
One question


If Jesus is God why when on the cross does he ask God (himself ) why he has forsaken him?
 
Vox said:
The story referenced is the creation of a fraud called Saul/Paul of Tarsus......a talented and ambitious fraud who cobbled together some old Pagan myths, added them into the many stories about a radical Pharisee rabbi called Jesus of Nazareth, and came up with a new religion that he sold to the Gentiles quite successfully--gaining wealth and power for himself and a Gentile disciple named Luke.

All Christian tradition comes from the imaginative storytelling and writings of these two and their followers.
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It's a pretty cool story though. I will admit that. And, I read a lot into it. Of course, none of the mumbo jumbo, hocus pocus crap need apply. But, when we look at the deeper philosophical perspectives that the Jesus myth opens up, it is pretty ingenious.

1. Forgive yourself. No reason to harbor all that guilt for things you did that went wrong. We are human. We screw up now and then. No need to beat yourself up. Now, learn from it and "sin no more."

2. Forgive the people who transgressed against you like you would forgive yourself. That too is brilliant. No need to harbor anger and seek vendetta. That path leads to mutual destruction. Let it go, broh. Give the man a hug, especially if he is sorry for his transgressions.

3. Beware the mob violence. Never join in and shout "crucify him!"

There's my holy trinity. :lol:
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
One question


If Jesus is God why when on the cross does he ask God (himself ) why he has forsaken him?
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Obvious mistake in the reprint. ;)

Yeah it's pretty nutty. I'm not sure why god would need three days and three nights (or is that two nights and three days?) to resurrect himself either. Could have done that in one full swoop during the late afternoon.
 
calamity said:
Obvious mistake in the reprint. ;)

Yeah it's pretty nutty. I'm not sure why god would need three days and three nights (or is that two nights and three days?) to resurrect himself either. Could have done that in one full swoop during the late afternoon.
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Not to mention he spent those 3 days in hell...
 
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