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The Idiocy of the Epstein Mythology

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"The Epstein mythology can be roughly defined as the popular belief, nearly ubiquitous on social media and adjacent outlets, that the deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein orchestrated a sprawling child sex-trafficking operation in which the powerful individuals across government, business, entertainment, and academia with whom Epstein consorted were systematically entrapped into compromising sexual encounters, surreptitiously filmed, and then blackmailed into silence or complicity—likely with the assistance of some unknown intelligence agencies (Mossad being a typical candidate). The true scale of this operation has been covered up, the mythology goes, because its exposure would unveil the evil at the very heart of global power structures.

Perhaps the most glaring omission in the Epstein mythology is any acknowledgement that Giuffre was a serial fabricator. ...Giuffre, as the highest-profile Epstein accuser, was absolutely integral to the creation of the mythology. It was she who made the most sensational claims of being sex-trafficked to prominent third-party individuals—including Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, and former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson. For nearly a decade, Giuffre accused Dershowitz of committing depraved sex crimes, but by 2022, she was forced to admit in a civil settlement that her claims had been false. ....Despite her decade’s worth of sensational charges, Giuffre was not called as a witness by prosecutors in the 2021 trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Not one of the four alleged victims to testify in that trial claimed they had ever been trafficked to any third-party individuals; indeed, the sex trafficking conspiracy for which Maxwell was ultimately convicted consisted of two persons: herself and Epstein. Thus, the only time that the heightened evidentiary standards and adversarial scrutiny of a criminal trial were brought to bear, no claims were even tested that could have substantiated the central premise of the popular mythology—namely, that Epstein ran an elaborate sex-trafficking operation to supply prominent men with minors, and then capture their illicit exploits on tape for the purposes of blackmail. (Blackmail to what end, exactly? Never clear.)

When people wonder why Pam Bondi, as attorney general, teased imminent scandalous revelations from the “Epstein Files,” only to then disclaim the very existence of those files, they overlook the obvious answer: She and other administration officials have long sought to rouse their followers on social media by indicating keen interest in Epstein mythology. Simply name-dropping Epstein was a surefire winner in the less-than-scrupulous podcast environments where JD Vance was shrewdly electioneering last year. This made it possible for “anti-establishment” media consumers to believe that by voting Republican in 2024, they were voting to defeat the Deep State—and so to release the “Epstein Files.” Such logic may have been shallow and deluded, but its political employment has proved to be highly clever and effective. Still, the dam was bound to break eventually. Epstein mythologists now denounce Trump & co. for concealing evidence of a far-reaching child-sex-trafficking ring and blackmail network that they are certain exists. But if anything needs to be denounced, it is the charlatanism of those who exploited the credulous and trafficked in nonsense to attain high office. Now that would be a “trafficking” conspiracy worth exploring in greater depth."


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Is it possible, as Bondi seems to claim, that there is nothing there - as far as him being an integral part of a far ranging pedophila network held in check by threats of blackmail? Has no one shown to be a part of his scheme? Were Maxwell and Epstein the only perps. There is a famous picture of Prince Andrew standing with one of the girls.

From quotes I've read, it seems like Trump at least knew what was going on; that he, who, according to Epstein, liked to screw other men's wives, and Epstein, who, according to Trump, liked to bed down minors, were close personal friends when this going on.

The issue may be that the right-wing simply got itself caught up in a conspiracy theory of its own design and their own leader got a little too close.
 
"The Epstein mythology can be roughly defined as the popular belief, nearly ubiquitous on social media and adjacent outlets, that the deceased financier Jeffrey Epstein orchestrated a sprawling child sex-trafficking operation in which the powerful individuals across government, business, entertainment, and academia with whom Epstein consorted were systematically entrapped into compromising sexual encounters, surreptitiously filmed, and then blackmailed into silence or complicity—likely with the assistance of some unknown intelligence agencies (Mossad being a typical candidate). The true scale of this operation has been covered up, the mythology goes, because its exposure would unveil the evil at the very heart of global power structures.

Perhaps the most glaring omission in the Epstein mythology is any acknowledgement that Giuffre was a serial fabricator. ...Giuffre, as the highest-profile Epstein accuser, was absolutely integral to the creation of the mythology. It was she who made the most sensational claims of being sex-trafficked to prominent third-party individuals—including Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, and former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson. For nearly a decade, Giuffre accused Dershowitz of committing depraved sex crimes, but by 2022, she was forced to admit in a civil settlement that her claims had been false. ....Despite her decade’s worth of sensational charges, Giuffre was not called as a witness by prosecutors in the 2021 trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Not one of the four alleged victims to testify in that trial claimed they had ever been trafficked to any third-party individuals; indeed, the sex trafficking conspiracy for which Maxwell was ultimately convicted consisted of two persons: herself and Epstein. Thus, the only time that the heightened evidentiary standards and adversarial scrutiny of a criminal trial were brought to bear, no claims were even tested that could have substantiated the central premise of the popular mythology—namely, that Epstein ran an elaborate sex-trafficking operation to supply prominent men with minors, and then capture their illicit exploits on tape for the purposes of blackmail. (Blackmail to what end, exactly? Never clear.)

When people wonder why Pam Bondi, as attorney general, teased imminent scandalous revelations from the “Epstein Files,” only to then disclaim the very existence of those files, they overlook the obvious answer: She and other administration officials have long sought to rouse their followers on social media by indicating keen interest in Epstein mythology. Simply name-dropping Epstein was a surefire winner in the less-than-scrupulous podcast environments where JD Vance was shrewdly electioneering last year. This made it possible for “anti-establishment” media consumers to believe that by voting Republican in 2024, they were voting to defeat the Deep State—and so to release the “Epstein Files.” Such logic may have been shallow and deluded, but its political employment has proved to be highly clever and effective. Still, the dam was bound to break eventually. Epstein mythologists now denounce Trump & co. for concealing evidence of a far-reaching child-sex-trafficking ring and blackmail network that they are certain exists. But if anything needs to be denounced, it is the charlatanism of those who exploited the credulous and trafficked in nonsense to attain high office. Now that would be a “trafficking” conspiracy worth exploring in greater depth."


Link

Is it possible, as Bondi seems to claim, that there is nothing there - as far as him being an integral part of a far ranging pedophila network held in check by threats of blackmail? Has no one shown to be a part of his scheme? Were Maxwell and Epstein the only perps. There is a famous picture of Prince Andrew standing with one of the girls.

From quotes I've read, it seems like Trump at least knew what was going on; that he, who, according to Epstein, liked to screw other men's wives, and Epstein, who, according to Trump, liked to bed down minors, were close personal friends when this going on.

The issue may be that the right-wing simply got itself caught up in a conspiracy theory of its own design and their own leader got a little too close.
I think that's exactly what happened. And they are getting exactly what they deserve. When you play with fire you risk getting burned.
 
A really great article that summarizes the straight facts, speculations, conspiracies, and political opportunism surrounding Epstein. Thanks for posting it.

The last paragraph in particular:

Epstein mythologists now denounce Trump & co. for concealing evidence of a far-reaching child-sex-trafficking ring and blackmail network that they are certain exists. But if anything needs to be denounced, it is the charlatanism of those who exploited the credulous and trafficked in nonsense to attain high office. Now that would be a “trafficking” conspiracy worth exploring in greater depth.

The question becomes, if Donald and his team were only engaged in charlatanism exploiting the credulous for political gain, why has Donald so vehemently demanded his MAGAs drop it and gone through a round of distracting EOs and statements that reek of desperation? This wouldn't be the first time he all but declared "Yeah I bullshitted you, what are you gonna do about it - vote Democratic???" I guess the answer to that is as the closing paragraph stated - that MAGAs have been conditioned by their leaders and media to believe with absolute conviction that sexual predation rings are coordinated by social elites, so obeying Donald and dropping it is simply not an option.
 
A really great article that summarizes the straight facts, speculations, conspiracies, and political opportunism surrounding Epstein. Thanks for posting it.

The last paragraph in particular:

Epstein mythologists now denounce Trump & co. for concealing evidence of a far-reaching child-sex-trafficking ring and blackmail network that they are certain exists. But if anything needs to be denounced, it is the charlatanism of those who exploited the credulous and trafficked in nonsense to attain high office. Now that would be a “trafficking” conspiracy worth exploring in greater depth.

The question becomes, if Donald and his team were only engaged in charlatanism exploiting the credulous for political gain, why has Donald so vehemently demanded his MAGAs drop it and gone through a round of distracting EOs and statements that reek of desperation? This wouldn't be the first time he all but declared "Yeah I bullshitted you, what are you gonna do about it - vote Democratic???" I guess the answer to that is as the closing paragraph stated - that MAGAs have been conditioned by their leaders and media to believe with absolute conviction that sexual predation rings are coordinated by social elites, so obeying Donald and dropping it is simply not an option.

The boy who cried wolf is now facing the wolf.
 
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