The Hypocrisy of Gun Nuts

[Spock]

1. To find the prevalence of fire extinguishers you can do a poll of mobile home owners.
Just like you can poll home owners and see the prevalence of guns .
If you wish, you could ask whether guns are secured or not.

see how simple?
Sweet baby Jesus you go to the absurd.

2. Personal attacks are not helping your case . LMAO

Prevalence refers to a condition at a specific point of time.
What is the prevalence of fire extinguishers in mobile homes TODAY?
Learn the difference between prevalence and incidence and get back with me.

 

[jaeger19]

Prevalence refers to a condition at a specific point of time.
What is the prevalence of fire extinguishers in mobile homes TODAY?
Learn the difference between prevalence and incidence and get back with me.

Well you do your poll TODAY
Duh

 

[Spock]

Well you do your poll TODAY
Duh

You continue to miss the point, predictably.
How do you determine the prevalence in the past without instantaneous polling or monitoring/

 

[jaeger19]

You continue to miss the point, predictably.
How do you determine the prevalence in the past without instantaneous polling or monitoring/

Then dude you look to what the polls said in the PAST

 

[Spock]

Then dude you look to what the polls said in the PAST

Useless approximation, dude.
That is why understanding firearm prevalence is so difficult.
Not to mention that gun addict are difficult to deal with. \

 

[jaeger19]

Useless approximation, dude.
That is why understanding firearm prevalence is so difficult.
Not to mention that gun addict are difficult to deal with. \

Wait. You want to know what the prevalence is in the past. Then you look for a poll during that time.
Why do you say it’s a useless approximation?

If you ask, what was the prevalence of fire extinguishers in mobile homes in 2003. You look for the poll that took place in 2003.

You seem to be really struggling with common sense.

 

[Spock]

Wait. You want to know what the prevalence is in the past. Then you look for a poll during that time.
Why do you say it’s a useless approximation?

If you ask, what was the prevalence of fire extinguishers in mobile homes in 2003. You look for the poll that took place in 2003.

You seem to be really struggling with common sense.

Survey data is pure anecdote.
Prevalence is best estimated objectively as by nasal swabs for influenza,

 

[Spock]

Take, for example, shootings by unsecured firearms handled by children.
To determine the risk of those shootings the denominator has to be firearms accessible to unsupervised children, or some similar metric. It makes no sense to include in the denominator adult carried firearms, firearms for sale in gun shops, or firearms stored securely and unloaded.

 

[CLAX1911]

Take, for example, shootings by unsecured firearms handled by children.

An extremely rare occurrence.

To determine the risk of those shootings the denominator has to be firearms accessible to unsupervised children,

A problem easily mitigated without the involvement of law enforcement and that cannot be mitigated by law enforcement. You can't force people to be good parents

or some similar metric. It makes no sense to include in the denominator adult carried firearms, firearms for sale in gun shops, or firearms stored securely and unloaded.

Typically it's not firearms stored that are the issue.

 

[jaeger19]

Survey data is pure anecdote.
Prevalence is best estimated objectively as by nasal swabs for influenza,

Explain why survey data is useless. Please explain how all research that uses survey data is useless.

 

[Rich2018]

which makes no sense because I agree with you - Spock and the other anti-gun people on your side are the ones that insist

Guns don't cause violence in that they don't make people violent (or suicidal for that matter)
In the same way that fast cars don't cause people to drive with excessive speed on highways

Britain has, I am quite sure, its fair share of psychotic people who would commit mass shootings if they had access to a firearm

So when I say firearms don't cause violence, I mean that they don't cause people to be violent
However just like fast cars and excessive speed, where fast cars don't necessarily cause more accidents, excessive speed does make the consequences of road traffic accidents more severe
And if violent/psychotic people have access to weapons of much greater lethality (like guns), then the consequences of their violent nature are so much more severe.

Hope this makes it clearer for you.

you don't want to stop violent people, just control what weapons they have to choose from, which differs from me views which is to rid this country of violent people

Of course I do
Or specifically I want to stop people being violent - indeed that's my only concern. And sadly that means, in some cases, that we have to incarcerate people guilty of said violent acts

But you want to "seriously crack down" on people "known" to be violent/mentally ill. You want to incarcerate them, against their wishes or without them ever having been convicted of a crime
Because as you say: "violent/mentally ill are not innocent"

The Constitution would beg to differ - "Innocent until proven guilty" (in a court of law that is and not just a member of law enforcement "knowing" that they're violent/mentally ill)
But you don't care about the law or the Constitution and I have nothing but contempt for your fascist, authoritarian views.

if a bullet falls from the sky and land on school property its considered a "shooting"

All shootings at schools includes when a gun is fired, brandished with intent to harm, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week.

You said:

...a church, police station, NRA convention, the woods in the fall with millions of hunters .... the people in these places are NOT violent people .... thus there is no violent acts

But there ARE violent acts in churches as I showed
Showing that you are utterly wrong.

we could add 500 million more guns to the USA - we're not in any way, shape of form saturated. I'd like to see 90% of women carrying guns

If we could, and there was no respective rise in shootings (as I believe to be the case), it would indeed show that US society is "saturated" with respect to gun ownership and shootings

So do you now accept what "saturation" means in a commercial/marketing context ?

 

[Maidenrules29]

unsecured firearms handled by children.

the denominator has to be firearms accessible to unsupervised children,

Ummm...Which is it?

And, just how do you determine prevalence when there is no friggin way to determine at all how many unsecured firearms are available to (?) unsupervised/untrained/ minor children?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Guns don't cause violence in that they don't make people violent (or suicidal for that matter)
In the same way that fast cars don't cause people to drive with excessive speed on highways

I agree - your fellow anti-gunners like Spock do not

Britain has, I am quite sure, its fair share of psychotic people who would commit mass shootings if they had access to a firearm

they would use guns instead of knives you're probably right - get them out of society and NO acts of violence is what I'd do

So when I say firearms don't cause violence, I mean that they don't cause people to be violent
However just like fast cars and excessive speed, where fast cars don't necessarily cause more accidents, excessive speed does make the consequences of road traffic accidents more severe
And if violent/psychotic people have access to weapons of much greater lethality (like guns), then the consequences of their violent nature are so much more severe.
Hope this makes it clearer for you.

your anti-gun buddies don't hold your opinions on that though

Of course I do
Or specifically I want to stop people being violent - indeed that's my only concern. And sadly that means, in some cases, that we have to incarcerate people guilty of said violent acts

but what you want to do it make them use other weapons - you've been clear on that and at the same time take away Constitutional Rights from 175 million Americans who've done nothing wrong

does the Constitution mean nothing to you?

But you want to "seriously crack down" on people "known" to be violent/mentally ill. You want to incarcerate them, against their wishes or without them ever having been convicted of a crime
Because as you say: "violent/mentally ill are not innocent"

The Constitution would beg to differ - "Innocent until proven guilty" (in a court of law that is and not just a member of law enforcement "knowing" that they're violent/mentally ill)
But you don't care about the law or the Constitution and I have nothing but contempt for your fascist, authoritarian views.

yes - that's a responsible society to protect mentally ill from themselves/others and to rid society of the habitually violent people

again - the example I have you absolutely HATE that they stopped a school shooting, don't you ?

But there ARE violent acts in churches as I showed
Showing that you are utterly wrong.

99.99999999999999999999999% of church services have no violence

there - I amended it for you

If we could, and there was no respective rise in shootings (as I believe to be the case), it would indeed show that US society is "saturated" with respect to gun ownership and shootings
So do you now accept what "saturation" means in a commercial/marketing context ?

no - we are nowhere close to market saturation. We need 500 million more guns to get close to that. I have 40+ guns .... and I'm not saturated, lots of guns I still would like in my safe

 

[rahl]

Prevalence refers to a condition at a specific point of time.

Ok. Today, at 2:00 pm, what is the prevalence of guns broken down by state, city and household? After you provide that number, show us the causal factor. After you show the causal factor, explain why it doesn’t hold true everywhere.

What is the prevalence of fire extinguishers in mobile homes TODAY?
Learn the difference between prevalence and incidence and get back with me.

 

[Rich2018]

I agree - your fellow anti-gunners like Spock do not

I don't think that he would dispute that guns do not make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter).

they would use guns instead of knives you're probably right - get them out of society and NO acts of violence is what I'd do

They would perhaps use guns instead of their firsts
But you're losing sight of the objective - it's not to fill the prisons, it's to stop people committing violent acts.

your anti-gun buddies don't hold your opinions on that though

What about your anti-gun buddies ?

but what you want to do it make them use other weapons...

No !!!
Again the objective is to stop people committing violent acts

To you that means "seriously cracking down" on people that are "known" to be violent/mentally ill
You want to incarcerate them, against their wishes or without them ever having been convicted of a crime
Because as you say: "violent/mentally ill are not innocent"

The Constitution would beg to differ - "Innocent until proven guilty" (in a court of law that is and not just a member of law enforcement "knowing" that they're violent/mentally ill)
But you don't care about the law or the Constitution and I have nothing but contempt for your fascist, authoritarian views.

yes - that's a responsible society to protect mentally ill from themselves/others and to rid society of the habitually violent people

So people who're mentally ill/violent are deemed guilty in you authoritarian paradise and incarcerated - just on someone's say so
Without them ever having being convicted of a crime

I guess in your authoritarian paradise, it would be a crime to be ill.

99.99999999999999999999999% of church services have no violence

Where did you pull that figure from ?

"According to Open Doors US, 12 Christians are killed for their faith each day in the United States between October 1, 2023 and September 30, 2024. Additionally, 7,679 churches or public Christian properties have been attacked or forced to close during this period."

Google Search

Try again.

no - we are nowhere close to market saturation. We need 500 million more guns to get close to that. I have 40+ guns .... and I'm not saturated, lots of guns I still would like in my safe

Absolutely we are - but at least you seem to understand what market saturation is. In post#4964, you thought it just meant "full of water"

You could add 500m guns to US society and you would not see a significant rise in gun crime.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I don't think that he would dispute that guns do not make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter).

it appears he exactly does when he says More firearms= more firearm violence. More guns prevalent, more firearm violence.

They would perhaps use guns instead of their firsts
But you're losing sight of the objective - it's not to fill the prisons, it's to stop people committing violent acts.

you can't do that - violent and mentally ill .... its hard to force them to change and how would you even do it? you think you're going to change them ? LOL what we know, it you'll legislate taking away peoples Constitutional Rights AND at the same time you won't lock up someone threatening to mass kill .... you really don't want to stop people from committing violent acts with those very two things being clear

What about your anti-gun buddies ?

I don't know that I have many !

No !!!
Again the objective is to stop people committing violent acts

by focusing on law abiding gun owners - explain that one please because focusing on us has NOTHING to do with stopping people from committing violence. You would just have them use something other than guns

So people who're mentally ill/violent are deemed guilty in you authoritarian paradise and incarcerated - just on someone's say so
Without them ever having being convicted of a crime
I guess in your authoritarian paradise, it would be a crime to be ill.

I gave you an example, you refuse to say "good job police for stopping a mass school shooting"

You hate that they stopped it - don't you ?

Where did you pull that figure from ?
"According to Open Doors US, 12 Christians are killed for their faith each day in the United States between October 1, 2023 and September 30, 2024. Additionally, 7,679 churches or public Christian properties have been attacked or forced to close during this period."

Google Search

Try again.

in the USA ?? no, your link is for the entire world isn't it ? do a little better googling please

Absolutely we are - but at least you seem to understand what market saturation is. In post#4964, you thought it just meant "full of water"

You could add 500m guns to US society and you would not see a significant rise in gun crime.

this year we will buy another 20 million guns in the USA - and the next, and the next .......... market saturation we do not have. Period

 

[Rich2018]

it appears he exactly does when he says More firearms= more firearm violence. More guns prevalent, more firearm violence.

That doesn't mean that firearms cause people to be violent
Merely that violent people, if presented the opportunity to use firearms, will do so

In the UK, gun crime is very rare
But sadly crime, particularly violent crime is a growing problem
Violent people/criminals don't use guns because they can't get them - thanks the the UK's strict gun control laws
But if guns were suddenly as available as say the USA - then gun crime/gun violence* instances would "explode" in number

*gun crime/gun violence being crime/violence that involves to use of at least one firearm.

you can't do that - violent and mentally ill .... its hard to force them to change and how would you even do it?

A gun ban !!!!!!

by focusing on law abiding gun owners - explain that one please because focusing on us has NOTHING to do with stopping people from committing violence. You would just have them use something other than guns

Virtually all illegally held guns were legal at some point

Sadly, those "law abiding citizens" that you eulogize about will have to lose (most) of their guns, in any gun ban
It is a price WELL worth paying - recreation comes a very poor second to human life.

I gave you an example, you refuse to say "good job police for stopping a mass school shooting"

I would not call that a "win" - police stopping a school shooting is zero comfort to the friends and family of those already shot

Focus on people stopping committing violent acts in the first place

As the saying goes: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
Gun control is the prevention.

in the USA ?? no, your link is for the entire world isn't it ? do a little better googling please

What are your figures for US school shootings ?

"There have been four school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of February 7...."
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html

this year we will buy another 20 million guns in the USA - and the next, and the next .......... market saturation we do not have. Period

And you'll not see a corresponding increase in shootings, as US society has reached saturation point (and no that doesn't refer to moisture levels like you think), with regard to gun ownership and the number of shootings.

 

[hecatmoggie]

That doesn't mean that firearms cause people to be violent
Merely that violent people, if presented the opportunity to use firearms, will do so

its what anti-gun people have said for 150 pages yes

In the UK, gun crime is very rare
But sadly crime, particularly violent crime is a growing problem
Violent people/criminals don't use guns because they can't get them - thanks the the UK's strict gun control laws
But if guns were suddenly as available as say the USA - then gun crime/gun violence* instances would "explode" in number

but violence wouldn't explode. Your anti-gun buddied have said it will

A gun ban !!!!!!

so people are no longer violent when there is a gun ban ?

Virtually all illegally held guns were legal at some point
Sadly, those "law abiding citizens" that you eulogize about will have to lose (most) of their guns, in any gun ban
It is a price WELL worth paying -

what are you paying with a gun ban? you don't own guns, you won't give up anything

anti-gunners will give up NOTHING but demand other people give up things, isn't that the truth ?

recreation comes a very poor second to human life.

100% false

want me to prove it? recreational smoking, drinking, drugs, ATV's, swimming, boats, motorcycles, bicycles, fast cars ... all results in many deaths/injuries and you don't care at all about it, its collateral damage isn't it ? acceptable deaths, isn't it ?

I would not call that a "win" - police stopping a school shooting is zero comfort to the friends and family of those already shot

Focus on people stopping committing violent acts in the first place

As the saying goes: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"
Gun control is the prevention.

good gawd, that's LITERALLY what they did !! did you not even read the article ? they caught/jailed a violent/mentally ill person before they mass murdered. You've posted you are 100% against that

What are your figures for US school shootings ?

irrelevant to the fact you posted a link for this

12 Christians killed for their faith each day

New research from Open Doors shows the scope of violence against followers of Christ

www.opendoorsus.org

the first example was from Christians in Burkina Faso - you failed to even check your linked source and I called you on it

"There have been four school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of February 7...."
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html

I've disproved those numbers. If a gun is discharged at 1am Sunday morning on the school parking lot by drug dealers, that's considered a school shooting. Bullshit and you know it. One of your links said if a bullet falls from the sky and lands on school property its a school shooting

padding numbers to make your case as that CNN article and liberals do shows how failed their arguments really are

try again

https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html

And you'll not see a corresponding increase in shootings, as US society has reached saturation point (and no that doesn't refer to moisture levels like you think), with regard to gun ownership and the number of shootings.

count REAL school shootings and I'll talk about it

 

[Rich2018]

its what anti-gun people have said for 150 pages yes

I don't believe that anyone has said that guns make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter)
Sorry but you're lying.

but violence wouldn't explode. Your anti-gun buddied have said it will

Nope, GUN violence would (and suicides by firearm)
As violent/mentally ill people get access to guns

(gun violence/crime, is violent/criminal acts where the use of at least one firearm is involved).

so people are no longer violent when there is a gun ban ?

Do you really not read ?
There is strict gun control in the UK, but there is sadly a growing problem with violent crime
But thanks to Britain's gun controls, the consequences of this is much less severe than in the USA

I want to stop people committing crime - especially violent crime
You would seek to do this by locking people up without them ever having being convicted of a crime - sorry but your fascist paradise is a hard pass for me

I want to deny violent/criminal people the tools that result in the worst consequences of violent crime

Therefore I support gun control
I also support UK laws on carrying offensive weapons like knives
I also support the banni9ng of many of these offensive weapons - like certain knife designs, brass knuckles, blackjacks/clubs.

what are you paying with a gun ban? you don't own guns, you won't give up anything

Personally nothing, but I would be GAINING a hell of a lot. A much greater sense of freedom and securrity for one thing.

anti-gunners will give up NOTHING but demand other people give up things, isn't that the truth ?

But they GAIN a hell of a lot - see above.

want me to prove it? recreational smoking, drinking, drugs, ATV's, swimming, boats, motorcycles, bicycles, fast cars ... all results in many deaths/injuries and you don't care at all about it, its collateral damage isn't it ? acceptable deaths, isn't it ?

Ah so no you descend into "what-about-ism"
If you want to save lives by banning guns, what about swimming pools ????

The answer is that swimming pools are not designed to kill, neither can you carry them to your local school and commit a "mass drowning"

With regard to the two deadliest drugs in America - alcohol and tobacco - people do not use them to deliberately harm themselves or others - drunk drivers do not get drunk in the hope of killing people.
Whereas guns (and certain knives for that matter), are DELIBERATELY used by people with the intention of harming others. And THAT is the difference.

You are getting increasing desperate, clutching at straws to raise an objection to gun control - maybe you should stick to your argument that gun control spoils the recreation of others..

I've disproved those numbers. If a gun is discharged at 1am Sunday morning on the school parking lot by drug dealers, that's considered a school shooting. Bullshit and you know it. One of your links said if a bullet falls from the sky and lands on school property its a school shooting

"There have been four school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of February 7...."
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html

count REAL school shootings and I'll talk about it

See above.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I don't believe that anyone has said that guns make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter)
Sorry but you're lying.

LOL ok, whatever. Literally posted the quotes

Nope, GUN violence would (and suicides by firearm)
As violent/mentally ill people get access to guns
(gun violence/crime, is violent/criminal acts where the use of at least one firearm is involved).

same numbers of mentally ill/violent people, just using different weapons

there is no "gun" violence ... just violence

Do you really not read ?
There is strict gun control in the UK, but there is sadly a growing problem with violent crime
But thanks to Britain's gun controls, the consequences of this is much less severe than in the USA

dang ... anti-gunners don't think that, I'm glad you see it

much less severe .... sounds like they don't want to stop violence, just control what weapons are used doesn't it ?

I want to stop people committing crime - especially violent crime

by heavy gun restrictions that's worked in UK ? see your above post ... it hasn't. MORE violence ........... a growing problem with violent crime

focus on law abiding gun owners ... that's liberals/Democrats/anti-gunners for ya

You would seek to do this by locking people up without them ever having being convicted of a crime - sorry but your fascist paradise is a hard pass for me

it worked to stop that mass school shooter - I know, you hated to see that. Lock mentally ill/violent people who are a threat to themselves and others - YES. do it, every time like they did with that example I used

I want to deny violent/criminal people the tools that result in the worst consequences of violent crime

no no

you want to control what weapons they choose - you do NOT want to stop their violence. You need to be clear here

Therefore I support gun control
I also support UK laws on carrying offensive weapons like knives
I also support the banni9ng of many of these offensive weapons - like certain knife designs, brass knuckles, blackjacks/clubs.

what do you want to ban to stop someone from hanging themselves with a rope or killing someone with a ball bat or their hands ?

Personally nothing, but I would be GAINING a hell of a lot. A much greater sense of freedom and securrity for one thing.

its great to demand everyone else give something while you give nothing isn't it ?

But they GAIN a hell of a lot - see above.

they gained like UK has gained? more violence/violent people and no way to self defense and loss of Constitutional Rights for USA citizens. That's a failure in every way

Ah so no you descend into "what-about-ism"
If you want to save lives by banning guns, what about swimming pools ????
The answer is that swimming pools are not designed to kill, neither can you carry them to your local school and commit a "mass drowning"

sure they are, they're used wrongly just like guns resulting in death

With regard to the two deadliest drugs in America - alcohol and tobacco - people do not use them to deliberately harm themselves or others -

yes, people intentionally smoking leads to estimated 20-40K people die and second hand smoke is a bigly cause

drunk drivers do not get drunk in the hope of killing people.

yes, they knowingly drive impaired knowing they can wreck/kill people

 

[hecatmoggie]

Whereas guns (and certain knives for that matter), are DELIBERATELY used by people with the intention of harming others. And THAT is the difference.

misusing something and people dying as a result

You are getting increasing desperate, clutching at straws to raise an objection to gun control - maybe you should stick to your argument that gun control spoils the recreation of others..

I told you that you'd argue and self justify all the above - because you don't care about people dying and death. You really don't - and most people don't. They DO care if they're bombarded with liberal media ideas on political agenda

"There have been four school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of February 7...."
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html
See above.

#1 CNN isn't a valid news source
#2 I've detailed and proven the lies on "school shootings"

 

[Rich2018]

LOL ok, whatever. Literally posted the quotes

Nope, you said:

its what anti-gun people have said for 150 pages yes

No quote there. It's just more of your lies

Once again, I don't believe that anyone has said that guns make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter).

same numbers of mentally ill/violent people, just using different weapons

And I want to stop people from committing violent acts with ANY weapon
Whereas you want to incarcerate people without the ever having been convicted of a crime

You think that mentally ill people aren't innocent. You'd make it crime to be ill
Sorry comrade, that's a hard pass from me.

there is no "gun" violence ... just violence

Incorrect, I just told you what it is
Can't you read ?

by heavy gun restrictions that's worked in UK ?

Yep, it's been stunningly successful
Since 1996, the UK has has ZERO school shootings, the USA has had 575

By any metric, gun violence figures are way better in the UK than the USA
Knife crime is also lower - partly due to UK knife carrying laws.

it worked to stop that mass school shooter

That's NOT a "win"
Do you know what's a million times better that stopping a school shooter ?
Not having a school shooter at all !!!!

You'd prefer to have the school shooting and then stop the shooter while he's doing it.

you want to control what weapons they choose

Yes, I don't want "them" to use ANY weapons.

its great to demand everyone else give something while you give nothing isn't it ?

It's hard to give up your leisure activity to save lives isn't it ?

they gained like UK has gained?

Mass shootings in the UK, in 2024: ONE
Mass shootings in the USA in 2024: 586

I'd say that next to the UK, the USA has a million miles a catch-up to gain.

more violence/violent people and no way to self defense and loss of Constitutional Rights for USA citizens. That's a failure in every way

Nope the great majority of people in the UK manage to defend themselves, their family and home, without a gun
I wonder how that might be ?

The majority of Americans don't have guns either.

yes, people intentionally smoking leads to estimated 20-40K people die and second hand smoke is a bigly cause

I didn't say people don't intentionally smoke - try reading what I write before going off half-****

I said people don't smoke or drink alcoholic drink with the intention of harming themselves or others
Reading is really not your forte is it ?

 

[Rich2018]

#1 CNN isn't a valid news source
#2 I've detailed and proven the lies on "school shootings"

Of course it is
It just reports news stories that you don't like.

 

[jaeger19]

Nope, you said:

No quote there. It's just more of your lies

Once again, I don't believe that anyone has said that guns make people more violent (or suicidal for that matter).



And I want to stop people from committing violent acts with ANY weapon
Whereas you want to incarcerate people without the ever having been convicted of a crime

You think that mentally ill people aren't innocent. You'd make it crime to be ill
Sorry comrade, that's a hard pass from me.



Incorrect, I just told you what it is
Can't you read ?



Yep, it's been stunningly successful
Since 1996, the UK has has ZERO school shootings, the USA has had 575

By any metric, gun violence figures are way better in the UK than the USA
Knife crime is also lower - partly due to UK knife carrying laws.



That's NOT a "win"
Do you know what's a million times better that stopping a school shooter ?
Not having a school shooter at all !!!!

You'd prefer to have the school shooting and then stop the shooter while he's doing it.



Yes, I don't want "them" to use ANY weapons.



It's hard to give up your leisure activity to save lives isn't it ?



Mass shootings in the UK, in 2024: ONE
Mass shootings in the USA in 2024: 586

I'd say that next to the UK, the USA has a million miles a catch-up to gain.



Nope the great majority of people in the UK manage to defend themselves, their family and home, without a gun
I wonder how that might be ?

The majority of Americans don't have guns either.



I didn't say people don't intentionally smoke - try reading what I write before going off half-****

I said people don't smoke or drink alcoholic drink with the intention of harming themselves or others
Reading is really not your forte is it ?

Hmm alcohol and violence

“For example, reviews have shown that acute alcohol intoxication plays a deciding role in approximately half of all violent crimes (e2) and sexual assaults (e3) worldwide”

Alcohol-Related Aggression—Social and Neurobiological Factors - PMC

Alcohol-related aggression and violence are a widespread cause of personal suffering with high socioeconomic costs. In 2011, nearly one in three violent acts in Germany was committed under the influence of alcohol (31.8%). The link between alcohol ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rich2018]

Hmm alcohol and violence

“For example, reviews have shown that acute alcohol intoxication plays a deciding role in approximately half of all violent crimes (e2) and sexual assaults (e3) worldwide”

Alcohol-Related Aggression—Social and Neurobiological Factors - PMC

Alcohol-related aggression and violence are a widespread cause of personal suffering with high socioeconomic costs. In 2011, nearly one in three violent acts in Germany was committed under the influence of alcohol (31.8%). The link between alcohol ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alcohol and nicotine are the most damaging drugs in the USA.