The House voted to end the decades-long agreement for California to set higher emission standards

[Craig234]

Because California is such a large market, manufacturers make all their vehicles meet California's higher standards rather than make different models and have to tell other states they get more pollution.

Republicans voted to end that. If the Senate passes it, it will greatly increase emissions, killing people and harming the climate more. It's corruption at a high price.

 

[longview]

Because California is such a large market, manufacturers make all their vehicles meet California's higher standards rather than make different models and have to tell other states they get more pollution.

Republicans voted to end that. If the Senate passes it, it will greatly increase emissions, killing people and harming the climate more. It's corruption at a high price.

Sorry this does not sound like they are reducing any emissions standards.
US House votes to rescind approval for California heavy-duty truck rules

The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday voted to rescind the Environmental Protection Agency's 2023 approval of California's plans to require a rising number of zero-emission heavy-duty trucks.
The House also voted to repeal an EPA waiver issued in December under former President Joe Biden for California's “Omnibus” low-NOx regulation for heavy-duty highway and off-road vehicles and engines.

What it sounds like is that the US will not have to go along with California's new higher standards, and truck requirements.
So no increase in emissions, no killing people, and the harm to the environment is very subjective.

 

[Craig234]

Sorry this does not sound like they are reducing any emissions standards.

House Republicans move to stop California from setting its own vehicle pollution standards

It tees up a fight over whether Congress can take away California’s authority to set its own rules.

www.theverge.com

What it sounds like is that the US will not have to go along with California's new higher standards, and truck requirements.

The US never 'had to go along'. As I said, for decades the federal government gave a waiver to California to set higher standards for vehicles sold in our state, and manufacturers chose to make vehicles meet the standards nationally.

 

[longview]

House Republicans move to stop California from setting its own vehicle pollution standards

It tees up a fight over whether Congress can take away California’s authority to set its own rules.

www.theverge.com

The US never 'had to go along'. As I said, for decades the federal government gave a waiver to California to set higher standards for vehicles sold in our state, and manufacturers chose to make vehicles meet the standards nationally.

It still will not lower emissions standards as you suggest, it means that the newer more restrictive standards do not have to be followed.

 

[verrip1]

Perhaps now is a good time for California to secede from the Union.

Or try to. That way the Mike Johnson House could oversee the Reconstruction.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Sorry this does not sound like they are reducing any emissions standards.
US House votes to rescind approval for California heavy-duty truck rules

What it sounds like is that the US will not have to go along with California's new higher standards, and truck requirements.
So no increase in emissions, no killing people, and the harm to the environment is very subjective.

I never verified it, but I heard during the fires, some fire trucks from other states were not allowed in because of not meeting standards, and many that were let in, were to heavy and had to dump some water.

Anyone know?

 

[Craig234]

It still will not lower emissions standards as you suggest, it means that the newer more restrictive standards do not have to be followed.

What happens to emissions when higher standards are removed? I'll make it multiple choice. A) Automakers change to the lower new standard required that are more profitable, or B) Automakers ask California for higher standard for them to follow voluntarily at lower profit.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Because California is such a large market, manufacturers make all their vehicles meet California's higher standards rather than make different models and have to tell other states they get more pollution.

Republicans voted to end that. If the Senate passes it, it will greatly increase emissions, killing people and harming the climate more. It's corruption at a high price.

Who wins in this?

You’d think manufacturers, having to tool their factories to only one standard, come out ahead even though it’s the highest standard? That’s why they decided as they did in the first place.

They still have to meet the California standard for California customers. How does having to decide how many cars to produce to meet that demand, and retool the line for different tech standards, make any economic sense?

 

[smb3802]

Because California is such a large market, manufacturers make all their vehicles meet California's higher standards rather than make different models and have to tell other states they get more pollution.

Republicans voted to end that. If the Senate passes it, it will greatly increase emissions, killing people and harming the climate more. It's corruption at a high price.

You talk like smog used to be big problem?

 

[KingLeo]

What ever happened to Republicans preaching about 'states rights'?

 

[MAGAnificent]

What happens to emissions when higher standards are removed? I'll make it multiple choice. A) Automakers change to the lower new standard required that are more profitable, or B) Automakers ask California for higher standard for them to follow voluntarily at lower profit.

If the lunatic environmentalists were smart, they would start ditching the EVs and push hydrogen vehicles.

 

[j brown's body]

Republicans paving the way for the renaissance of fossil fueled vehicles.

 

[Craig234]

What ever happened to Republicans preaching about 'states rights'?

That only applies when they agree with states.

 

[Craig234]

They still have to meet the California standard for California customers. How does having to decide how many cars to produce to meet that demand, and retool the line for different tech standards, make any economic sense?

As I understand, they don't. The federal standards are set lower. They override California's higher standards. That's why there was a waiver given to California to set higher standards for the state for decades. Automakers decided to make cars meet it nationally. Now they can not meet the higher standards anywhere including California, if it passes.

 

[Peter]

Just what America needs.
Worse cars.

This is why Europeans don't buy American cars.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

As I understand, they don't. The federal standards are set lower. They override California's higher standards. That's why there was a waiver given to California to set higher standards for the state for decades. Automakers decided to make cars meet it nationally. Now they can not meet the higher standards anywhere including California, if it passes.

I wouldn’t think that’s a federal issue. State’s rights. I’d think California would be within their rights to set state standards for cars sold within its jurisdiction.

Theyvouidnt enforce it against vehicles purchased elsewhere, but within their own state?

 

[Craig234]

I wouldn’t think that’s a federal issue. State’s rights. I’d think California would be within their rights to set state standards for cars sold within its jurisdiction.

Theyvouidnt enforce it against vehicles purchased elsewhere, but within their own state?

No, that's federalism, that federal laws override state laws.

That's why they needed a waiver. Imagine the reverse, a federal regulation setting a standard. Could a state pass a law saying 'vehicles in our state don't have to meet the standard'? They couldn't.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

No, that's federalism, that federal laws override state laws.

That's why they needed a waiver. Imagine the reverse, a federal regulation setting a standard. Could a state pass a law saying 'vehicles in our state don't have to meet the standard'? They couldn't.

But California isn’t deciding a lower standard than federal.

They are setting a higher standard over a federal baseline. There are multiple precedents for that:

Examples: Minimum wage. Environmental standards. Data privacy. Same sex marriage before the federal change. ADA regulation.

Even one I can think of for lowering the standard. Marijuana law.

 

[longview]

What happens to emissions when higher standards are removed? I'll make it multiple choice. A) Automakers change to the lower new standard required that are more profitable, or B) Automakers ask California for higher standard for them to follow voluntarily at lower profit.

Do you understand that the California new standards did not go into place?
The way I read this it was about heavy Trucks not cars.

 

[Craig234]

But California isn’t deciding a lower standard than federal.

They are setting a higher standard over a federal baseline. There are multiple precedents for that:

Examples: Minimum wage. Environmental standards. Data privacy. Same sex marriage before the federal change. ADA regulation.

Even one I can think of for lowering the standard. Marijuana law.

The federal government can allow states to do that if they want, but they can also prohibit it. If you google California emission waivers there's info.

 

[Craig234]

The way I read this it was about heavy Trucks not cars.

The first sentence of the link I posted you: "The US House of Representatives voted to revoke California’s ability to enact its own, tougher pollution regulations for cars and heavy-duty trucks."

 

[multivita-man]

Because California is such a large market, manufacturers make all their vehicles meet California's higher standards rather than make different models and have to tell other states they get more pollution.

Republicans voted to end that. If the Senate passes it, it will greatly increase emissions, killing people and harming the climate more. It's corruption at a high price.

When we voted for MAGA, we voted to poison ourselves.

 

[mike2810]

Sorry this does not sound like they are reducing any emissions standards.
US House votes to rescind approval for California heavy-duty truck rules

What it sounds like is that the US will not have to go along with California's new higher standards, and truck requirements.
So no increase in emissions, no killing people, and the harm to the environment is very subjective.

Question.
If passed by the Senate to rescind Californias emission plan for heavy trucks and Low Nx regulation for heavy duty highway and off road vehicles,
Would that not mean vehicle pollution would just continue as it is and not be reduced?

One can argue that by not reducing emissions does put some people at risk and could hard the environment.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The federal government can allow states to do that if they want, but they can also prohibit it. If you google California emission waivers there's info.

Ok. I learned something. Thanks.

 

[longview]

Question.
If passed by the Senate to rescind Californias emission plan for heavy trucks and Low Nx regulation for heavy duty highway and off road vehicles,
Would that not mean vehicle pollution would just continue as it is and not be reduced?

One can argue that by not reducing emissions does put some people at risk and could hard the environment.

Some types of emissions are bad, but the move is more about zero emissions as in no CO2, and there are no risks related to CO2 emissions that can be supported with empirical evidence.
We should be doing what we can to reduce actual air pollution.