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It's his fault partially because in his 4.5+ years he's not done anything to find or encourage alternative sources AND he's allowed oil companies to enjoy record profits!SouthernDemocrat said:That all said, I don’t see how anyone could reasonably argue that the current high gas prices, high heating oil prices, and high natural gas prices are the fault of the Bush administration.
26 X World Champs said:Yet another post whose words are incredibly misinformed! Amazing!
Bush is clearly the WORST president in our history environmentally among other misdeeds that he does daily. Gas prices are at $3 per gallon while oil companies are earning record profits! If Bush hadn't fuc^ed up so many other things his record on the environment would be a bigger story, but since he's best known for starting wars and record deficit spending the environment gets little notice.
You want to do something about the lack of gasoline? Add a $1 federal tax and watch consumption go down. This simple solution is way too intelligent for Bush and Navy Pride.
This bill was so vile that the Bushies had to break Congressional rules to finally get it passed. A vote is supposed to be no longer than 5 minutes yet Republicans stalled for 40 minutes in order to get reps to change their votes! I remind you Navy Genius that Republicans have a clear majority in the House so this bill should have passed in 5 seconds, no less 5 minutes. It didn't because even Republicans knew that this was another cronyism bill that lines the oil companies pockets with even more money while further degenerating the environment AND does nothing to solve the real energy crisis, namely finding ALTERNATIVE energy sources!
You think's Bush is despised now for his energy policies and the cost of gas? Just wait two months when all of us have to pay unbelievable costs for heating this winter. It's going to upset millions and millions of Americans and it's going to negatively impact our economy, again, as businesses struggle to pay their heating bills. Translation? We're looking at the potential for serious inflation over the next 6 monthsand it will be Bush and his cronies fault!
A dollar added to the current tax on a gallon of gas would lower consumption, and therefore price to an extent. But I would agree to this only if every cent of this dollar had to be spent on developement of alternative fuels and more efficient modes of transportation than we now use.26 X World Champs said:It's his fault partially because in his 4.5+ years he's not done anything to find or encourage alternative sources AND he's allowed oil companies to enjoy record profits!
My point is that prices are sky-high as are their profits. Doesn't this bother you? You, the average American now pays $40-$60 to fill up your car. If you do that 5 times a month that's about $250 per month, more than many car payments!
I am for HIGHER gas prices though higher government taxation because that will reduce demand and that will force oil companies to lower their prices while at the same time generating much needed revenue for our government. It will also focus carmakers on producing more fuel efficient cars as people will have a renewed interest in higher mileage to reduce their expenses.
What do you think?
A dollar added to the current tax on a gallon of gas would lower consumption, and therefore price to an extent. But I would agree to this only if every cent of this dollar had to be spent on developement of alternative fuels and more efficient modes of transportation than we now use.
Number 15 in this thread contains text that the Democrats have been footdragging, and that if something had been done ten years ago, gas wouldn't cost $3.00 a gallon now. Haven't the Republicans controlled Congress for the last ten years?
Navy Pride said:A dollar added to the price of gas hurts the poor in this country........Gas is already over $3.00 a gallon where I live.......I can afford it but a lot of poor people that need their cars to get to work van't........
Do you know what a filibuster is? Every time the Republicans tried to get and energy package through the evironmentalists screamed and since the dems are in their back pockets the bill was filibustered.........
SouthernDemocrat said:I agree with you on the gas tax being a bad thing for the economy. Three dollars a gallon is enough of a reason for people to conserve gas.
For every dollar, environmentalist contribute to Democrats and pro-conservation Republicans and spend lobbying congress, the oil companies spend at least a hundred on conservative Republicans and lobbying congress. When it comes to energy policy, the Republicans are the problem.
Republican energy policy is simply this:
Billions of dollars in corporate welfare to oil companies.
Weakening as much as possible environmental regulations like the clean air act.
Nuclear Energy.
Drilling in ANWR.
and inorder to get moderate Republicans who are not owned by the oil companies to go for it, they include small investments in alternative energy.
While that goes a long way towards lining the pockets of the oil companies who author their energy policies, it doesn't do much in the way of reducing our dependence on foreign oil.
However, I do agree with the Republicans on Nuclear energy.
Democratic Energy policy is this:
Increased CAFE Standards
Taking the money that would have been spent on corporate welfare for oil companies and investing it in Alternative energy and efficency.
Hands down, the Democrats have the better energy policy. However, their energy policy without including Nuclear is flawed as well.
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I know most people look at a post and don't read it through because they only want to sieze on a point or two and then hurry on to their own argument
AlbqOwl said:Any notion that the oil companies do not wish to build more refineries is just nonsense. Every year that is delayed, however, drives up the costs, and the regulatory process adds many millions of dollars to the cost of each one. So, they have not been cost effective to build.
I do agree with SD that we should look at nuclear along with all other alternate forms of energy, but I disagree that the GOP is dismantling all environmental protections. Some environmental regulations were unnecessaryand counterproductive. I think any good energy policy has to look at multiuse capabilities of our resources without doing damage to the environment or sullying the beauty that we all appreciate. We have the smarts and technology to do that.
I concur with Purplehaze that the neon blue font is difficult and painful to read. :smile:
And Conservatives aren't in the back pocket of the MUCH MUCH MUCH more Wealthy Oil Industry?Navy Pride said:I present ANWAR as and example..........The democrats have always been against drilling there for oil because of the enviornment........ANWAR when compared to the size of Alaska is about the size of a football field....There would be very little invironmental impact there but since the dems are in the back pockets of the Environmentalists no drilling has ever been permitted..It has been estimated there is a 10 year supply of oil there (no one knows for sure).......If we had started drilling there 10 years ago the price of gasoline would not be what it is today......
I to am for finding alternate sources of energy............I want to see our dependence on Arab oil brought down to zero......
The reason ANWAR has not been drilled in, is not because of the Democrats being in the Environmentalists back pocket.
You missed the whole ****ing point of my post.Navy Pride said:What was the reason then?Or were you to young for that too?:roll:
Caine said:You missed the whole ****ing point of my post.
Im not saying I know the reason.
Im saying your reason is stupid.
If the Environmentalists have the Democrats in thier back pockets, that makes no difference, when the even RICHER oil Companies have the Republicans in thier back pockets.
That is what Im saying. Im stating that your ignorant attempt at actually debating instead of slinging names and insults is a failed, pathetic, attempt.
Caine said:You missed the whole ****ing point of my post.
Im not saying I know the reason.
Im saying your reason is stupid.
If the Environmentalists have the Democrats in thier back pockets, that makes no difference, when the even RICHER oil Companies have the Republicans in thier back pockets.
That is what Im saying. Im stating that your ignorant attempt at actually debating instead of slinging names and insults is a failed, pathetic, attempt.
DeeJayH said:and you call others ignorant or stupid
considering your ignorant response, you may want to rethink that
While Oil lobbies may have more money, the environmentalists dont need tons of money
all the Environmentalists have to do is whisper lies and BS into some stupid bleeding heart liberal Reporters ear, and BAM it is front page on the NY Times
typical of the liberal mindset
all the criticism in the world, but no solutions
Navy Pride said:A dollar added to the price of gas hurts the poor in this country........Gas is already over $3.00 a gallon where I live.......I can afford it but a lot of poor people that need their cars to get to work van't........
Do you know what a filibuster is? Every time the Republicans tried to get and energy package through the evironmentalists screamed and since the dems are in their back pockets the bill was filibustered.........
DeeJayH said:and you call others ignorant or stupid
considering your ignorant response, you may want to rethink that
While Oil lobbies may have more money, the environmentalists dont need tons of money
all the Environmentalists have to do is whisper lies and BS into some stupid bleeding heart liberal Reporters ear, and BAM it is front page on the NY Times
typical of the liberal mindset
all the criticism in the world, but no solutions
Conservative View: Hybrids are for Liberal ******s.tryreading said:Yes, I know what a filibuster is. But there was an energy bill passed. You know about that, right? Since I am not yet well informed as to the detail of the text of this document, as I'm sure you are, please let me know when the environmentalists get to shut down all the refineries.
The important thing is that instead of offering up excuses for the party one prefers, we need to put pressure on all of our representatives to work toward some level of independence from oil supplied by OPEC.
Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned hydrogen power for cars. This may be feasible someday, but we have an excellent alternative right now-when buying your next car, please get a hybrid. This won't work for everyone-for example you won't be able to tow anything with a hybrid. However, for 90% of us, this is a smart, patriotic choice.
Caine said:Conservative View: Hybrids are for Liberal ******s.
Navy Pride said:Not true...I myself have a big Pick Up truck but I have conservative friends who have small econmy cars..There you go again painting everyone with the same brush..........You need to stop that.........
Conservatives believe you should be able to drive what you want to drive.....
Caine said:Again, your a paranoid whiney little bitch.
The media covers a story. They cover a story that gets public attention. Public attention is then also brought to Sponsor Advertisements. This then allows them to get more money from sponsors. Thus making the Network more wealthy. Its a Capitalistic world.... they are only in it for the money after all.
Looks like you don't like Republicans or Democrats, judging by the text of your note, and the GOP thing. Also, I like ******s.Caine said:Conservative View: Hybrids are for Liberal ******s.
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