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Gandhi>Bush said:If the Jews had taken to nonviolence, I believe they would have succeeded. They did nothing. No violence, no nonviolence, just obedience. The Warsaw uprising was far too late to do much of anything. At the first in justice they should started. As soon as someone said the word "ghetto" out loud, that's when action needed to be taken. Certainly not sitting on your ass until 1941.
vergiss said:Fu*k that, and fu*k you.
vergiss said:Oh, and what would you have done?
vergiss said:Hundreds of thousands fled overseas and many others went into hiding. Exactly how they could've overthrown the entire German army when even the Allies were having trouble doing it is beyond me, but I'd love to hear your ideas.
To claim their wasn't any resistance is utter ignorance.
As for why they'd rather go into the ghettoes than be shot for refusing? I shouldn't need to answer - it's because they wanted to live. I'd rather die trying to survive than give up like a coward. Ignoring a psychopath with a machine gun generally is not a wise decision if you want to remain alive.
Gandhi>Bush said:The Allies were not inside Germany. The Allies had little if any nonviolent access to the German people.
Gandhi>Bush said:There it is again. I cannot find this resistance, but perhaps google is just as ignorant as I am.
Gandhi>Bush said:I'd rather die like a man than live like a slave.
Gandhi>Bush said:The most valuable asset against a government- any government- is it's people. Segregation takes away access to that asset. Resistance and atrocity must be witnessed by the German people. Propaganda makes it easy to hate someone. Truth and clarity make it difficult. When a man who you are told is evil kneels in a street to pray and is shot in the back of his head because he refused to relocate to a slum, it will change you. If nonviolence must be reduced to martyrdom, it is certainly prepared for such a thing.
vergiss said:Who said anything about non-violence? Non-violence wouldn't have worked against rabid psychopaths hell-bent on exterminating a race, regardless if the resistance had direct access to the German people. Cute idea, but so idealistic even a teenager like myself isn't going to fall for it.
:roll: The death of the Jews is exactly what the Nazis wanted - way to go at giving them their wish. If all the Jews had done what you say, there would have been no survivors and the Jewish people would be all but exterminated. Nice.
Again, cute, but utterly useless. If they had no compassion for the co-workers and neighbours they saw suffering, why would they care about seeing a stranger die like a coward?
Personally, I'd choose living with the faith that things will eventually get better than giving up and being shot like an animal. By surviving, you win.
Gandhi>Bush said:I'll make the same deal with everyone else that I made with this individual. If you can find where I blamed the holocaust on the Jews, I'll email you my scrotum. That was the deal, and its still on the table.
I never said it was the Jew's fault. I'm saying they did nothing to stop it.
If you feel that that is a historical inaccuracy, correct me. Do that, and I'll retract my statement.
Gandhi>Bush said:I'll make the same deal with everyone else that I made with this individual. If you can find where I blamed the holocaust on the Jews, I'll email you my scrotum. That was the deal, and its still on the table.
I never said it was the Jew's fault. I'm saying they did nothing to stop it.
If you feel that that is a historical inaccuracy, correct me. Do that, and I'll retract my statement.
Axismaster said:Look Ghandi, one quote from the master himself.
"I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed."
That is no wonder he thinks the Jews should have just taken it, because Hitler wasn't that bad after all. I suppose you think we should have never overthrown the British either?
Axismaster said:Look Ghandi, one quote from the master himself.
"I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed."
That is no wonder he thinks the Jews should have just taken it, because Hitler wasn't that bad after all.
I suppose you think we should have never overthrown the British either?
realist said:I don't think you are saying it's the Jew's fault, but why the question in the first place, seems odd. The question should be why did the German people kill 6 million plus Jews?
Gandhi>Bush said:I did not ask such a question. I made a statement and was attacked. I have asked to be proven wrong.
vergiss said:And you were.
Tashah said:In another thread Gandhi, I advanced numerous book titles to you that thoroughly explained the Holocaust. These were all authored by World War II and Holocaust historians. Much like David Irving, you obviously chose not to avail yourself of this academic information. Although you are not a Holocaust denier, you are indeed a Holocaust revisionist.
Your words in bold, not mine. Scroll up. I said you are a Holocaust revisionist. I would suggest that you transport your 'feeble' mind to the nearest public library. There is a rather large section devoted to the Holocaust. It's free... you don't have to purchase anything. I would further suggest that you begin your 'enlightenment' with Lucy Dawidowitz, Raul Hilberg, and Martin Gilbert. After that initial introduction, you can peruse the memoirs. Also, The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem have excellent historical and academic materials online. Perhaps you should first study a subject in depth before you deign to critique and revise it.Gandhi>Bush said:Correct me. I do not own these books. You do. Please enlighten my feeble, anti-semetic, nazi sympathising mind.
Tashah said:Your words in bold, not mine. Scroll up. I said you are a Holocaust revisionist. I would suggest that you transport your 'feeble' mind to the nearest public library. There is a rather large section devoted to the Holocaust. It's free... you don't have to purchase anything. I would further suggest that you begin your 'enlightenment' with Lucy Dawidowitz, Raul Hilberg, and Martin Gilbert. After that initial introduction, you can peruse the memoirs. Also, The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem have excellent historical and academic materials online. Perhaps you should first study a subject in depth before you deign to critique and revise it.
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