The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t

[MAGAnificent]

FGI is always instantly classified according to State Department Regulations. Additionally, because of her position, she's often a recipient of that FGI, meaning that in order for her not to know what she was getting was classified, she would have to be too inept to competently fulfill the requirements of her position. Which, looking at her record, might not be the most difficult case for her to make.

Additionally, the results of us spying on troop movements, interior workings of foreign government, and the like, are pretty obviously classified. Again, this would be Clinton making a "too stupid to know better" argument.




Oh gosh, you mean like the TS//SI/TK kind?

My sentiments exactly. To not know that many of those emails were classified would mean that Hillary is monumentally stupid.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Hv

If you mean President Carter I then assume you are taking about the Community Reinvestment Act. The meltdown was not caused by the CRA.

That was the beginning of it, Peter. It is what eventually led to the creation of quasi government mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who guaranteed the bad loans made to borrowers who could not afford the home loans and could not qualify under the traditional requirements based on income and credit history.

 

[cpwill]

The letter from the IG says the email was sent inadvertanly.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/redir...com/global/2015/07/24/icighillltrreemails.pdf

....did you even read your link? It says nothing of the sort. It says that the State Department is stonewalling (presumably trying to protect its old boss). Furthermore, it is dated prior to the discovery of the TS material.

 

[pbrauer]

Personal experiance, son. I had a security clearance in the military. They make sure that you understand that ignorance is no excuse for mishandling classified information. If you want to continue insisting that Hillary had no idea that many of those emails were classified, then you are accepting that she is a moron and did not comprehend what she was emailing. Or she is lying. Which is it?

Hillary Clinton is now and always has been a civiliain, she has never been in the military. Also, there is no evidence she emailed any classified information, so if I were you I would be careful suggesting anyone is a moron. I also suggest you read the link at the OP instead of jumping into the thread.

You should stop being condesending by addressing them as "son."

 

[pbrauer]

....did you even read your link? It says nothing of the sort. It says that the State Department is stonewalling (presumably trying to protect its old boss). Furthermore, it is dated prior to the discovery of the TS material.

Since he has finished his review of the emails, what is he saying now. Where did he suggest the State Dept was stonewalling him?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Hillary Clinton is now and always has been a civiliain, she has never been in the military. Also, there is no evidence she emailed any classified information, so if I were you I would be careful suggesting anyone is a moron. I also suggest you read the link at the OP instead of jumping into the thread.

To suggest that there is no evidence that she emailed any classified information is silly beyond belief. It's already been disclosed by the governmentthat some of the emails were classified. And being a civilian mishandling classified info is pretty much the same as one in the military mishandling classified documents. The same laws apply. So once again, I point out that Hillary is either stupid or incredibly dihonest. Which is it?

You should stop being condesending by addressing them as "son."

Fair enough, sport.

 

[pbrauer]

To suggest that there is no evidence that she emailed any classified information is silly beyond belief. It's already been disclosed by the governmentthat some of the emails were classified. And being a civilian mishandling classified info is pretty much the same as one in the military mishandling classified documents. The same laws apply. So once again, I point out that Hillary is either stupid or incredibly dihonest. Which is it?


Fair enough, sport.

I know there was classified emails on her server, they were sent to her. But as I've said there is no evidence that sent any classified emails.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I know there was classified emails on her server, they were sent to her. But as I've said there is no evidence that sent any classified emails.

Actually there is.

 

[pbrauer]

Actually there is.

What is it?

 

[MAGAnificent]

What is it?

Don't watch or listen to the news much, huh?

 

[MickeyW]

 

[cpwill]

Since he has finished his review of the emails, what is he saying now. Where did he suggest the State Dept was stonewalling him?

Did you see the parts where he was requesting information and actual access to those emails (which, in your link, he has not yet received much less finished a review of), and the State Department was refusing to send them? How about where he was trying to have the discovery take place over JWICS in order to protect the information from further spillage, and the State Department was refusing to do that, either?

 

[pbrauer]

Did you see the parts where he was requesting information and actual access to those emails (which, in your link, he has not yet received much less finished a review of), and the State Department was refusing to send them? How about where he was trying to have the discovery take place over JWICS in order to protect the information from further spillage, and the State Department was refusing to do that, either?

Yes, I know what you're talking about. I didn't interpret it the way you did, I see it as a dispute between agencies. I don't see State refusing to classify the email either. He mentions 4 recommendations to prevent early release of FOIAs.

 

[pbrauer]

LMMFAO I love it, I think really funny Mickey. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[MickeyW]

LMMFAO I love it, I think really funny Mickey. Thanks for the laugh.

Welcome....I thought the foo-foo spray to be a nice touch too. :lamo

 

[cpwill]

Yes, I know what you're talking about. I didn't interpret it the way you did, I see it as a dispute between agencies. I don't see State refusing to classify the email either. He mentions 4 recommendations to prevent early release of FOIAs.

He mentions multiple ways in which he is being stymied by State. Who, apparently, hasn't yet realized (neither has the Clinton Campaign) that the best way to deal with a political scandal is to get it all out in the open, deal with it, and then move on.

 

[pbrauer]

He mentions multiple ways in which he is being stymied by State. Who, apparently, hasn't yet realized (neither has the Clinton Campaign) that the best way to deal with a political scandal is to get it all out in the open, deal with it, and then move on.

BS he wrote:

Since the referenced 25 June 2015 notification, we were informed by State FOIA officials that there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton. We note that none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings, but some included IC-derived classified information and should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network. Further, my office's limited sampling of 40 of the emails revealed four contained classified IC information which should have been marked and handled at a SECRET level.
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[Exquisitor]

What do you think she was doing in these e-mails?

1) Doing the People's business.

2) Making her cronies money.

3) Making herself money.

 

[cpwill]

BS he wrote:

Since the referenced 25 June 2015 notification, we were informed by State FOIA officials that there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton. We note that none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings, but some included IC-derived classified information and should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network. Further, my office's limited sampling of 40 of the emails revealed four contained classified IC information which should have been marked and handled at a SECRET level.
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b

Dude. EVEN IN YOUR OWN QUOTED SECTION, the highlighted.

Gosh. What's he talking about?

Request for Copy of 30,000 Emails. Finally, State IG and I requested a copy of the 30,000 emails in State possession so that we could perform sampling and render an independent determination of the sufficiency of the internal controls being implemented by State FOIA to protect classified national security information. State agreed to provide State IG with limited access to these 30,000 emails. However, State rejected my office’s request on jurisdictional grounds.

Ah. That's what he's talking about.

You will also note that (itemized recommendation #2) State continues to refuse to do this process on JWICS, as it should be done and (itemized recommendation #3) they also are dragging their heels on a dispute resolution format for their claim that "some of this stuff we thought was classified differently", likely because that is the IC IG's job, and they know that any dispute resolution would result in their judgement losing.

Again, all dragging this process out is going to accomplish is ensuring a steady drip of headlines about Hillary's emails. Better to get it out in the open and deal with it - but that's not the Clinton way.

 

[cpwill]

What do you think she was doing in these e-mails?

1) Doing the People's business.

2) Making her cronies money.

3) Making herself money.

....do you think she really see's a difference?

 

[pbrauer]

Dude. EVEN IN YOUR OWN QUOTED SECTION, the highlighted.

Gosh. What's he talking about?



Ah. That's what he's talking about.

You will also note that (itemized recommendation #2) State continues to refuse to do this process on JWICS, as it should be done and (itemized recommendation #3) they also are dragging their heels on a dispute resolution format for their claim that "some of this stuff we thought was classified differently", likely because that is the IC IG's job, and they know that any dispute resolution would result in their judgement losing.

Again, all dragging this process out is going to accomplish is ensuring a steady drip of headlines about Hillary's emails. Better to get it out in the open and deal with it - but that's not the Clinton way.

I don't see this as meaningful in any way, I understand there are disputes like this all the time. As a side note: When I was debating Grim about the war in Iraq, I noticed INR disagreed with intelligence with respect to Iraq's nuclear capabilies.

As for the drip drip, drip Hillary's poll numbers are going down because of Bernie Sanders, This would happen even if the email controversy wasn't there.

And there is another development, perhaps you've seen my post in this forum, it's based upon the following link:

Petraeus prosecutor: Clinton has committed no crime

 

[cpwill]

I don't see this as meaningful in any way

You don't think that refusing to allow the IC IG to access the 30,000 emails in order to determine how bad the spillage is is stonewalling or meaningful?

:lamo

I understand there are disputes like this all the time.

:shrug: that is flatly incorrect. In fact, I have never heard of an example of SI or TK ever being in a disputed status as far as classification was concerned, and even then, it would only be between TS and S. U would never enter the picture.

As a side note: When I was debating Grim about the war in Iraq, I noticed INR disagreed with intelligence with respect to Iraq's nuclear capabilies.

Yup. As I said to you a while ago - they have a unique kind of squinty-eyed view of the world, which sometimes leads to them being right when everyone else is wrong, and sometimes leads to them being wrong when everyone else is right.

However, the INR does not produce actual intelligence reporting (it produces assessments), which means it is not an original classification authority. Which means it has approximately...... zero ability whatsoever to take anything produced anywhere else in the IC and alter its classification without express written permission from that agency.

As for the drip drip, drip Hillary's poll numbers are going down because of Bernie Sanders, This would happen even if the email controversy wasn't there.

Among Democrats, that is probably most of it. However, Hillary's negatives are going higher, and the number one word voters now associate with her is "liar", followed by "untrustworthy". A constant drip drip of emails not only continues to confirm voters opinions, but gives Hillary no ability to replace them.

And there is another development, perhaps you've seen my post in this forum, it's based upon the following link:

Petraeus prosecutor: Clinton has committed no crime

Yeah. Again, this is the "I was too stupid to know what I was doing as SECSTATE, please vote for me to be President so I can continue to be incompetent, but in a higher office" defense.

 

[pbrauer]

You don't think that refusing to allow the IC IG to access the 30,000 emails in order to determine how bad the spillage is is stonewalling or meaningful?

:lamo



:shrug: that is flatly incorrect. In fact, I have never heard of an example of SI or TK ever being in a disputed status as far as classification was concerned, and even then, it would only be between TS and S. U would never enter the picture.



Yup. As I said to you a while ago - they have a unique kind of squinty-eyed view of the world, which sometimes leads to them being right when everyone else is wrong, and sometimes leads to them being wrong when everyone else is right.

However, the INR does not produce actual intelligence reporting (it produces assessments), which means it is not an original classification authority. Which means it has approximately...... zero ability whatsoever to take anything produced anywhere else in the IC and alter its classification without express written permission from that agency.

Who is saying they altered the cassifications? According to you that's not their job, BC they produce assessments. As I said before the emails were prematurely sent to State which tells me they has as yet been coded. It seems to me this could have happen even if she had a State Dept email account.

 

[cpwill]

Who is saying they altered the cassifications? According to you that's not their job, BC they produce assessments.

As I have explained to you before - because they write assessments, they would not have been able to get that information prior to it being stamped classified. If they had the information to email in the first place, then when they got it, it was classified. And furthermore, they had to access it on classified venues.

As I said before the emails were prematurely sent to State which tells me they has as yet been coded.

That is incorrect. CIA, NSA, NGA et. al. reporting is classified at the point of collection and processing according to the means and methods used to obtain the information. I have handled, read, and used literally thousands of their reports. They are not available pre-classification unless you are the one putting it together, and simply haven't filled in that block yet.

Again. The only way for this information not to have been classified prior to Clinton's staff sending it off via an unsecured, unclassified email account was if they collected it themselves, using equipment that they personally owned. Except for the FGI of course, which would have been classified even then.

And, last I checked, Hillary and Bubba are pretty stinking rich, but haven't launched their own spy satellites.

 

[pbrauer]

As I have explained to you before - because they write assessments, they would not have been able to get that information prior to it being stamped classified. If they had the information to email in the first place, then when they got it, it was classified. And furthermore, they had to access it on classified venues.



That is incorrect. CIA, NSA, NGA et. al. reporting is classified at the point of collection and processing according to the means and methods used to obtain the information. I have handled, read, and used literally thousands of their reports. They are not available pre-classification unless you are the one putting it together, and simply haven't filled in that block yet.

Again. The only way for this information not to have been classified prior to Clinton's staff sending it off via an unsecured, unclassified email account was if they collected it themselves, using equipment that they personally owned. Except for the FGI of course, which would have been classified even then.

And, last I checked, Hillary and Bubba are pretty stinking rich, but haven't launched their own spy satellites.

I think you're wrong, but I can't begin to match your knowledge, so I don't know if you're leaving something out (not lying) to mislead me.

Please answer the follow questions? I realize you've probably answered them before but pleas do it again.

1. What did Hillary do that was wrong besides having her own server?

2. How did she do it?

3. If it applies, what was her motivation?