The greatest raid of all

[US Conservative]

Just an amazing historic event, and a great documentary.

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[APACHERAT]

Just an amazing historic event, and a great documentary.

The British historians look at history and record history differently.

In America you have revisionist historians that is no more than one individual's opinion that may or may not have an agenda.

Read a British historian records of how the U.S. Navy won the war in the Pacific during WW ll and it's not even mentioned by American historians.

Better yet read British historians books on the Vietnam War. It's like comparing oranges to apples. The Brits have no reason to have a political agenda on the Vietnam War so there's no revisionism where as most American historians rewrote what happened in Vietnam.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

The British historians look at history and record history differently.

In America you have revisionist historians that is no more than one individual's opinion that may or may not have an agenda.

Read a British historian records of how the U.S. Navy won the war in the Pacific during WW ll and it's not even mentioned by American historians.

Better yet read British historians books on the Vietnam War. It's like comparing oranges to apples. The Brits have no reason to have a political agenda on the Vietnam War so there's no revisionism where as most American historians rewrote what happened in Vietnam.

I like British documentaries because I love the British accent, perfect for something historical.

When it comes to WWII I just love analyzing the battle of Stalingrad, that battle just catches my interest the most.

Is there a documentary for the Battle of Bir Hakeim? That also has just caught my eye, the French Foreign Legion is certainly a force not to be reckoned with.

 

[APACHERAT]

I like British documentaries because I love the British accent, perfect for something historical.

When it comes to WWII I just love analyzing the battle of Stalingrad, that battle just catches my interest the most.

Is there a documentary for the Battle of Bir Hakeim? That also has just caught my eye, the French Foreign Legion is certainly a force not to be reckoned with.

I knew an American who served in the Legion during the 50's/60's. Did you know back then and before the Legionnaires were only trained to shoot from the prone position. They have evolved a lot since then.

Crossed paths with a Legionnaire back in 89 who was taking his leave in California. Put him up for a week so he would have more spending money. He was stationed in Tahiti.

You would think Tahiti would be a prime duty station but he said it was just to expensive on a Legionnaires pay.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

I knew an American who served in the Legion during the 50's/60's. Did you know back then and before the Legionnaires were only trained to shoot from the prone position. They have evolved a lot since then.

Crossed paths with a Legionnaire back in 89 who was taking his leave in California. Put him up for a week so he would have more spending money. He was stationed in Tahiti.

You would think Tahiti would be a prime duty station but he said it was just to expensive on a Legionnaires pay.

My dad had a friend in the French Foreign Legion.

I always used to think that soldiers in a foreign legion unit would have no loyalty to the country they are fighting for.

Bir Hakeim was a wake up call to say the least, these guys are incredible, and their loyalty is undoubted.

 

[APACHERAT]

My dad had a friend in the French Foreign Legion.

I always used to think that soldiers in a foreign legion unit would have no loyalty to the country they are fighting for.

Bir Hakeim was a wake up call to say the least, these guys are incredible, and their loyalty is undoubted.

Have you taken into consideration that their loyalty is not to France but to the Legion ?

Back during the 70's the libs got their pantties all wadded up because the Marine Corps taught "Corps, Country, God." It seems the left had a problem that Corps was mentioned first.

 

[US Conservative]

The British historians look at history and record history differently.

In America you have revisionist historians that is no more than one individual's opinion that may or may not have an agenda.

Read a British historian records of how the U.S. Navy won the war in the Pacific during WW ll and it's not even mentioned by American historians.

Better yet read British historians books on the Vietnam War. It's like comparing oranges to apples. The Brits have no reason to have a political agenda on the Vietnam War so there's no revisionism where as most American historians rewrote what happened in Vietnam.

Agreed. Read a pre 60's American history textbook and compare it to the crap we have in our schools now. Sometimes the clearest eyes are anothers.

 

[US Conservative]

Have you taken into consideration that their loyalty is not to France but to the Legion ?

Back during the 70's the libs got their pantties all wadded up because the Marine Corps taught "Corps, Country, God." It seems the left had a problem that Corps was mentioned first.

How would the legion compare in actual combat against major world militaries? Russia? The US? Nato? Japanese?

 

[APACHERAT]

Agreed. Read a pre 60's American history textbook and compare it to the crap we have in our schools now. Sometimes the clearest eyes are anothers.

I've done that.

There are two types of revisionist history. The one the world recognizes when new evidence surfaces that changes the history that was recorded before.
Then American revisionist history which is adopted from Marxist culturalism, to rewrite history to further a political agenda. It first started appearing in America in 1964.

When I was enrolled at UCLB in the early 70's and was taking U.S. History 15-A our history professor warned us to be extremely cautious of any thing you read published after 1960, it's probably one historians opinion or revisionist history that has a political agenda.

 

[APACHERAT]

How would the legion compare in actual combat against major world militaries? Russia? The US? Nato? Japanese?

How did they do against the Viet Minh ? :lol:

The legion today is more like Frances special forces. The French people have become feminized and rely on foreigners to fight their wars on foreign soil. They can go up against third world armies, conduct raids, rescue operations, etc. But could they be deployed as an infantry brigade and prevail on the battle field going up against Russian troops ???

Look at the combat history of the Legion, a whole lot of defeats more than victories.

In a high intensity combat like WW ll, Korea and even some of the fighting in Vietnam was high intensity, going to war without France and it's Legionnaires is like going deer hunting without your accordion. :lol:

I digress:

The U.S. Army War College has been rating the major armies infantrymen of the world and potential enemies going back to WW ll. All soldiers are compared to the British soldier with a rating of 5. The American soldier (U.S. Army) has always been rated equal to the British Tommy with a 5.

During WW ll the German soldier was rated at 5.2. Makes sense, the only time the Germans were defeated on the battlefield was when they were superiorly out numbered. The Soviet soldier was rated at something like 3.8 (?)

Now U.S. Army Rangers, Special Forces, Royal Marines, U.S. Marines aren't rated because all our considered to be elite or special operation capable infantry.

The last time I looked (six or eight years ago) the French Legionnaires were rated by the U.S. War College some where in the mid or high 4.'s.

The U.S. Army War College has changed their website and it's more difficult to navigate and find what you're looking for. Last year I spent an hour looking for the current ratings. I came across some Army and Navy war colleges papers that have quoted the ratings.

Here's the link, if you can find it, post it.

****, they changed it again. If it's not broken don't fix it !!!

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