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4/8/21
Donald Trump isn't finished inflicting pain on the Republican Party. Republicans' unwillingness to deal with their Trump problem, as late as his second impeachment, could well cost them dearly in 2022 and beyond. My Republican colleague, and Trump pollster, Tony Fabrizio, racks up the data that should be scaring the daylights out his fellow travelers. For reasons we've discussed, most Republican office holders are more worried about primary challenges than about general election defeats - and that concern attaches them to Trump's hip. Fabrizio's data demonstrates the former president's formidable grip on the party he cares not a whit about. Over half would support him in 2024 presidential primary; 88 percent liked the job he did as president; 49 percent consider themselves more Trump supporters than Republicans; offered a choice among a Trump Republican, a Bush Republican, and Reagan Republican, 51 percent opt for the Trump Republican; 57 percent want him continuing to lead the GOP. To cross him is to take a very serious risk in a party primary. Indeed, nine of the 10 House Republicans who voted for impeachment have already drawn primary challengers. Fabrizio uses combinations of these questions to dissect his party into five tribes based on their assessments of Trump.
He identified 27 percent of Republicans as "Diehard Trumpers" who idolize the man and another 10 percent as "InfoWars" Republicans because they share those feelings about Trump, while also embracing QAnon conspiracy theories. That's 37 percent of Republicans who are really "always Trumpers." 2020 was close only because Republicans turned out and stuck together. Depending on which exit poll you look at, 91 to 94 percent of Republicans voted for Trump and GOP House candidates. Post-Trump and post-Jan. 6 insurrection, the Republican party is not evenly divided, but it is divided. All told, Fabrizio classed 15 percent of Republicans as "Never Trump" and another 20 percent as "post-Trump" - partisans who thought he may have done a good job, but don't want him leading the party and don't want to vote for him again. Now I'm not suggesting it's that simple or that voters will behave just that way. But while the GOP may not be split, it is fractured, and those fractures are significant enough to have real electoral consequences. Fealty to Trump that may be necessary to win a primary could be politically deadly in a general election. Republicans have no one to blame for this conundrum but themselves - and their leaders.
The GOP's continuing Donald Trump problem
Republicans are well aware of how vindictive Trump is.
If they want such a man to have his hands perpetually around their throats, then they also must be prepared to swear loyalty to Trump above everything else and place their necks on the execution block.
I love when leftwingers tell Republicans what we need to do. After all, they only have our best interests at heart.The GOP's continuing Donald Trump problem
Republicans are well aware of how vindictive Trump is.
If they want such a man to have his hands perpetually around their throats, then they also must be prepared to swear loyalty to Trump above everything else and place their necks on the execution block.
What really sucks for those "Republicans" is that the Republican rank and file is solidly behind Trump. That means those crying Republicans have a MUCH bigger problem than Trump.The GOP's continuing Donald Trump problem
Republicans are well aware of how vindictive Trump is.
If they want such a man to have his hands perpetually around their throats, then they also must be prepared to swear loyalty to Trump above everything else and place their necks on the execution block.
It's far better we tell left-wingers what to do since we have our own best interests at heart.I love when leftwingers tell Republicans what we need to do. After all, they only have our best interests at heart.
Obviously not. But how do you assess Trump's future with the party? At this point I wonder what's motivating him. He has civil and perhaps some criminal problems ahead. It would seem wise for him to keep a lower profile, not say things, for example, that could be interpreted as supporting Gaetz ("troubling accusations if true" would be the right response) and quietly abandon his "rigged election" mantra, hoping to build up a measure of good will among the general public. He could sort of fade into an elder statesman of the party role, and hope tesulting reduced ill will towards him might create, if not a Nixon-like pardon sentiment, at least a "go easy on him" one. Hard to do, given his insults to potentially the majority of the US public, but worth a shot. But, sigh, like his dumb response to the pandemic that could have been a second-term guarantee had he done it differently, I doubt doing what I recommend is possible for Donald.I love when leftwingers tell Republicans what we need to do. After all, they only have our best interests at heart.
Just read a article about South Carolina GOP the Q’s are taking over.I love when leftwingers tell Republicans what we need to do. After all, they only have our best interests at heart.
The 'Q's' are another leftwing myth.Just read a article about South Carolina GOP the Q’s are taking over.
The Q’s are destroying the GOP.What really sucks for those "Republicans" is that the Republican rank and file is solidly behind Trump. That means those crying Republicans have a MUCH bigger problem than Trump.
Just read a article about South Carolina GOP the Q’s are taking over.
True but they are gullible and loyal, destroying everything in their way.The Q's are just an extension of the Birchers... and they took over a while ago. Now they are just overt about it.
True but they are gullible and loyal, destroying everything in their way.
Unbelievable how they are acting and believing in absolute BS.They were not prepared for the internet one bit.
Unbelievable how they are acting and believing in absolute BS.
Unbelievable how they are acting and believing in absolute BS.
Comical.The 'Q's' are another leftwing myth.
All Trump had to do was be honest about his Russia bs.You mean like the BS we heard for 3 1/2 years about how Trump was a Russian asset?
You mean like the BS we heard for 3 1/2 years about how Trump was a Russian asset?
The Q's wouldn't survive without the cowardly, weak and gullible, which explains their effect on what was the GOP, but now the Trump Klan Party.The Q’s are destroying the GOP.
Imagine if a Democrat while seeking the highest office in the land were to be simultaneously pursuing an enormous real estate deal in Moscow and even goes so far as to sign a letter of intent with a bank that are under sanctions of the very Government that he sought to lead, all the while lying about the status of having a deal while campaigning.
Just imagine.
That was Trump's business. He has properties all over the world. But nice try.
Imagine if one of Trump's kids was a drug addicted loser who extorted millions from multiple foreign bad guys cause his dad was VP. Now imagine they found a hard drive in which he stated he was giving the "big guy" a cut.
Just imagine.
Nice to see Trump still living rent free in the media's head, Trump's propensity to extreme exaggeration, paired with a failed response to COVID whisked Trump and the GOP out of office.
I can see why liberal's what to keep him alive in the eyes of the public, but I don't understand why the GOP would. Even pandering to every wack job and deplorable in the nation wasn't enough to get him a second term, and one has to know that most Republicans now just want him to go away and be silent.
Trouble is when wack jobs and deplorables can capture the party in the primaries. We need look no further the the Democratic Party for examples of that.
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