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The gay gene

As we always knew, being gay is a lifestyle choice, people are not born gay, and science has proven this.
So, you are attracted to both sexes equally?
Let me ask, do you feel less of a man because of it?
 
1. There's no genetic component to being gay. Natural selection would weed out the gay gene since they can't procreate.
2. However it still might be determined by a random process combining environmental effect + genetics.
3. 'Choice' is a overloaded term. 'choice' means different things under different contexts. If you're attracted to the same sex, you can still choose to live your life as a straight or gay. This is different than getting to choose if you're attracted to same sex or different sex.
4. social acceptance plays into this. Women can choose to adopt the gay or lesbians lifestyle regardless of who they are attracted to. I don't think any man will choose to live the gay lifestyle unless they're attracted to other men.
One theory says that homosexuals, given that they have no children of their own, would be more likely to help raise and protect their nieces and nephews. These kids would therefore be more likely to survive given that they have people besides their parents looking after them, and the recessive "homosexual gene" that they carry would be passed on and emerge later on down the line. In short groups/tribes/ families with homosexuals in them are more likely to raise their kids to a procreation age than those without.

One of the most interesting perspectives in evolution (I think) is that bodies are the GENES way of reproducing, not the other way around. Genes don't actually care how they get copied, as long as they do.
 
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1. There's no genetic component to being gay. Natural selection would weed out the gay gene since they can't procreate.
Unless it's pleiotropy. Kind of like sickle cell anemia. Evolution didn't weed that out because it's a rare effect from having malaria resistant blood
2. However it still might be determined by a random process combining environmental effect + genetics.
I don't know environmental effects seem a bit far fetched. I married an identical twin and his brother is straight.
3. 'Choice' is a overloaded term. 'choice' means different things under different contexts. If you're attracted to the same sex, you can still choose to live your life as a straight or gay. This is different than getting to choose if you're attracted to same sex or different sex.
Straight would mean attracted to the opposite sex. A man attracted to the same sex but says he's straight is a liar.
4. social acceptance plays into this. Women can choose to adopt the gay or lesbians lifestyle regardless of who they are attracted to. I don't think any man will choose to live the gay lifestyle unless they're attracted to other men.
I realized that was gay when I was 12 years old. I hated that about me. I did not want to be gay and tried probably for the next 12 years not to be. If there was a way to choose not to be it escaped me.
 
Well maybe not but I realized I was when I was 12 years old and at that time I would have done anything not to be.
What happened when you were 12 years old that made you realize you were gay?
I don't know.
fascinating So if you don't know why you are gay, how do you know it's because of the gay gene rather than environmental factors?
 
As we always knew, being gay is a lifestyle choice, people are not born gay, and science has proven this.
LOL, your statement is directly contradicted by the source material you posted.
  • No single "gay gene" determines sexual orientation.
    Research, including the largest study of its kind, involving nearly half a million people, has concluded that there is no singular gene responsible for being gay.
    Sexual orientation is influenced by a combination of factors:
    • Genetics: While not solely determined by genetics, genes play a role, contributing to a portion of the variation in same-sex sexual behavior. Studies have identified specific genetic variants associated with same-sex behavior, but their individual effects are small.
    • Environment: Non-genetic or environmental factors, which can include things like prenatal influences, also play a significant role in shaping sexual orientation.
    • Other Biological Factors: Research suggests other biological factors may also be involved, such as prenatal hormone exposure, maternal immune response, and neuroanatomical differences in the brain


The question now becomes; how do we change society to correct this abnormal behavior?
We don't. Leave the Nazi shit at home.
 
And if you are straight, why are you so interested in this? "Asking for a friend"?
Generally I think the sort of thing is to square a particular circle. If we were to accept that gay people can't change their sexuality and it's not something that is that easy to do, then the religious beliefs that have been saying that it's wrong all this time we're actually wrong themselves and since people really really want their Church to be the actual Church of God and not just one of many flawed human interpretations it really take it personal that people can't change their sexuality.

It would mean that to them God made people specifically for damnation and that is abject cruelty and the belief is that Jesus and God art infinite unending love.

I remember speaking to a particular Christian about this subject and she was a bit pessimistic about my view and she asked me why would God create gay people. And I've thought about this for a long time. I answered her "To see how loving Christian really are." It took a few weeks. But essentially the answer I gave her means do you expect people to change something they cannot change for you to love them because Jesus didn't.
 
What happened when you were 12 years old that made you realize you were gay?
About that time other boys started getting interested in girls. I felt that way about boys. I didn't want to, I wanted to be normal.
fascinating So if you don't know why you are gay, how do you know it's because of the gay gene rather than environmental factors?
I don't know if it's because of a gene or environmental factors. I just find the environmental Factor as the sole cause to be unlikely. I married an identical twin his brother isn't gay.
 
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If we were to accept that gay people can't change their sexuality and it's not something that is that easy to do, then the religious beliefs that have been saying that it's wrong all this time we're actually wrong themselves
I disagree with this argument. I think the reason gay men have lustful desires like straight men is because man is tainted by original sin. So that doesn't make homosexuality moral; in fact, it makes it immoral. God gave us the free will to act or not to act upon our lustful desires, and man ate the apple. That is why Christ died for our sins so he could redeem humanity's sinful nature.
 
About that time other boys started getting interested in girls. I felt that way about boys. I didn't want to, I wanted to be normal.
interesting Was there any traumatic event in your childhood that could have played a role in your attraction to men? I have heard anecdotes about homosexuals who became gay after being molested.
I don't know if it's because of a gene or environmental factors. I just find the environmental Factor as the sole cause to be unlikely. I married an identical twin his brother isn't gay.
Interestingly, you seem like a non-woke, open-minded, dare I say normal homosexual.
 
I disagree with this argument. I think the reason gay men have lustful desires like straight men is because man is tainted by original sin.
So why aren't straight men gay are they not tainted by original sin
So that doesn't make homosexuality moral; in fact, it makes it immoral. God gave us the free will to act or not to act upon our lustful desires, and man ate the apple.
So I am required to be perfect?
That is why Christ died for our sins so he could redeem humanity's sinful nature.
So I'm redeemed.
 
interesting Was there any traumatic event in your childhood that could have played a role in your attraction to men?
Not that I'm aware of
I have heard anecdotes about homosexuals who became gay after being molested.
I was never sexually abused
Interestingly, you seem like a non-woke, open-minded, dare I say normal homosexual.
I'm not woke, and I'm very open about this. I'm pretty thick skinned too. Ask me anything you want.
 
So why aren't straight men gay are they not tainted by original sin
Straight men are also tainted by original sin; so they have lustful desires as well, but it is up to us not to act upon those desires before marriage.
So I am required to be perfect?
You aren't required to be perfect, but rather you are encouraged not to act upon your sinful homosexual desires.
So I'm redeemed.
You are correct that Christ redeemed all believers, including homosexuals, but Christ's redemption is not a license to sin.
Not that I'm aware of
fair enough
I was never sexually abused
same
I'm not woke, and I'm very open about this. I'm pretty thick skinned too. Ask me anything you want.
Alright, I will ask a controversial question: have you ever had homosexual intercourse? If so, how did you find anal, aka "POOP," intercourse attractive? I suppose this question could go to the straights reading this thread as well.
 
Straight men are also tainted by original sin; so they have lustful desires as well, but it is up to us not to act upon those desires before marriage.

You aren't required to be perfect, but rather you are encouraged not to act upon your sinful homosexual desires.

You are correct that Christ redeemed all believers, including homosexuals, but Christ's redemption is not a license to sin.

fair enough

same

Alright, I will ask a controversial question: have you ever had homosexual intercourse? If so, how did you find anal, aka "POOP," intercourse attractive? I suppose this question could go to the straights reading this thread as well.
In case you've not noticed, "straights" have been reading and responding to this thread all along.

Btw, not all Christian religions insist that gay intercourse is sinful.
 
A small factor.

Not the deciding one meaning it can be changed.

Serial killers have a small killer gene also so should we just let them kill away?

I think not.

Just because it doesn't have an exclusively genetic cause doesn't mean it's a choice, just like people don't choose being left or right handed.
 
Straight men are also tainted by original sin;
But if they're tainted why aren't they gay?
so they have lustful desires as well, but it is up to us not to act upon those desires before marriage.
What if you do you're not condemned
You aren't required to be perfect, but rather you are encouraged not to act upon your sinful homosexual desires.
So don't love? Lustus a very tiny part of love. And I don't mind this to be personal at all but if you've been in a relationship it's long-term and someone you want to spend your life with you'll find out sex is not a huge part of it.

You are correct that Christ redeemed all believers, including homosexuals, but Christ's redemption is not a license to sin.
Well I definitely try not to soon and ask forgiveness when I do
fair enough

same
Indeed
Alright, I will ask a controversial question: have you ever had homosexual intercourse? If so, how did you find anal, aka "POOP," intercourse attractive?
I've never had intercourse with poop. If you really want to know if you're going to do that you do a little prep. Let me know if I need to explain anymore.
I suppose this question could go to the straights reading this thread as well.
I know a couple straight people that do anal.
 
In case you've not noticed, "straights" have been reading and responding to this thread all along.

Btw, not all Christian religions insist that gay intercourse is sinful.
I think just like straight intercourse it depends on the context. If it's someone you've committed to and it's an expression of love then it's what couples do. If it's just finding anyone you can to scratch an itch that's when it gets into the realm of sin.
 
interesting Was there any traumatic event in your childhood that could have played a role in your attraction to men? I have heard anecdotes about homosexuals who became gay after being molested.
I have known men who were sexually abused as children both straight and gay. The difference I see between straight and gay men regarding this is straight men seem a little more reluctant to talk about it.

I assume a lot of gay men are like me when they realize they were they didn't want to be. For a number of years of my life I felt quite ashamed of it. I considered when I came out putting the shame away. It's not pride, I don't do pride. It's just I won't be ashamed anymore. And I think a lot of gay men go through this too where straight men might not at least with regard to this sort of thing

Sexual predators are extremely manipulative and they'll tell you things and make their victims believe that they are being seduced and it's their victim's fault and this is a lot of the emotional trauma that comes with it. Amanda's gay can say no I didn't do those things you shouldn't have done that to a child. Even within straight men today suggesting you were girly or gay is still use this like a form of razzing somebody.
Interestingly, you seem like a non-woke, open-minded, dare I say normal homosexual.
 
Lots of words wasted. The op used them to package 'lifestyle choice', not to communicate anything.
 
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