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The fraud of "warmest condolences" while doing nothing

haymarket said:
I have no idea what Paddock does and neither do you. Right now we have no idea why he did this so we cannot make assumptions based on wild guesses as to what other weapon he would get if guns were not available. Who knows? Maybe he like the ease and distance and detachment of using a gun and would have simply not gone to anything else. I don't know and neither do you.

Killers get inspired by lots of things. That is the society we live in. What is your solution for that?
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Paddock is a handy metaphor for mass killers in general and we know enough about mass killers to predict that if they can't get guns they'll find some other means.

Before we go around proposing solutions we should first figure out what the problem is. Banning guns, closing our eyes and praying that the bad people go away doesn't get us any closer to figuring what the problem is and how to solve it. It doesn't do anything except cause people who want to kill lots of folks to find some other means and, as I said there are plenty of ways to do that.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
typical liberal scumbag, shows the mindset of the alt-left. if you disagree with them you should be labeled a terrorist. What if he got his way and they would be labeled a terrorist, what then? swat raids? use guns to compel them to submit?
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In this post are you not doing the same exact thing you accuse others of?? Hypocritical much??
 
Gaius46 said:
Paddock is a handy metaphor for mass killers in general and we know enough about mass killers to predict that if they can't get guns they'll find some other means.

Before we go around proposing solutions we should first figure out what the problem is. Banning guns, closing our eyes and praying that the bad people go away doesn't get us any closer to figuring what the problem is and how to solve it. It doesn't do anything except cause people who want to kill lots of folks to find some other means and, as I said there are plenty of ways to do that.
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Except you and I have no way of knowing what people will do if guns are not available. Its all a crapshoot.
 
FastPace said:
I like Lionel's take on the left today--which he points out have no problem with pushing war--they LOVE the fact this Las Vegas shooter was a white man. Personally, I think it fits into the lefts mantra against average Joe American not bothering anyone else in the USA, that Joe American should have assault rifles or his handguns. Yet, the left has no problem putting those same guns in the hands of thugs across the Middle East who have every intent on "bothering" others in their country.

I only watched Linonel in this episode up to the 8:23 mark of the video. Between roughly the 7:00 to 8:23 marks he gives his opinions on the political left being happy this guy is white.

(And let's be honest... the NRA is viewed by most Americans as "white men.")


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Can I have whatever you're smoking?? Holy batcrap crazy.
 
MaggieD said:
Then do you ever criticize the Dems for that? And do you lay the blame for LV at their feet as well?
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A lot of the blame lies with the NRA. I also blame Congress Critters - mostly the Republicans. They get the most money from the NRA, and are a lot less likely to even have the discussion about what can be done. I rather gave up all hope after all those children were shot and everyone just threw up their hands and said "oh well, people kill people, guns don't" Same crap different day - what's changed??
Now they are pushing to get silencers and armor piercing bullets approved. Why?? Rumor has it Trump, Jr. wants them for hunting. If silencers can be used, then children can be more involved. I personally have a problem with both those ideas but if there really is a good reason for either/or or both - I'm open to hearing it.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Nah a left wing fascist who doesn't tolerate differing opinions, often calling everyone they disagree with "alt-right" and "racist".
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Doesn't seem like you "tolerate" any differing opinions much - just like name calling. No real discussion.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Oh look, he finally said it. That which he always denied and we knew a lie.

I think I have a new signature.

Your willingness to use the deaths of innocents for your political agenda against our rights is despicable. You eagerness to disarm victims in the face of criminals is even worse.
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So apparently you're ok with women and children being shot - just so you can keep your gun?? No restrictions?? No nothing??
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Nah a left wing fascist who doesn't tolerate differing opinions, often calling everyone they disagree with "alt-right" and "racist".
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You don't even know what end of the political spectrum a fascist lives. That's elementary.
 
haymarket said:
This is beyond superb. It hits the nail firmly on the head expressing the beliefs of millions upon millions upon millions of Americans following the Vegas slaughter enabled by the far right wing NRA and its apologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQcpRE4JS8

And it features a hated enemy of the right wing as a bonus making it twice as satisfying. But he is right.

And it is getting lots of national coverage and finding an audience of receptive and sympathetic Americans who have had enough of the tail wagging the dog.

Keith Olbermann: The NRA is 'a terrorist organization' | TheHill

Keith Olbermann: NRA should be branded 'a terrorist organization'
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The question is why are we the country with the most mass murders done by other countrymen?
 
haymarket said:
This is beyond superb. It hits the nail firmly on the head expressing the beliefs of millions upon millions upon millions of Americans following the Vegas slaughter enabled by the far right wing NRA and its apologists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBQcpRE4JS8

And it features a hated enemy of the right wing as a bonus making it twice as satisfying. But he is right.

And it is getting lots of national coverage and finding an audience of receptive and sympathetic Americans who have had enough of the tail wagging the dog.

Keith Olbermann: The NRA is 'a terrorist organization' | TheHill

Keith Olbermann: NRA should be branded 'a terrorist organization'
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Olberman needs to stick to baseball. I love his thoughts and commentary on baseball. He's a fricken' hack, politically.

I just shook my head, though, when Trump said "warmest condolences". I mean, it's not a critical error, but it is another example of how the man lacks social graces.
 
Carleen said:
The question is why are we the country with the most mass murders done by other countrymen?
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No one can even seek an answer that question until we all agree on the time period and definition used for measurement. After all:

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haymarket said:
Except you and I have no way of knowing what people will do if guns are not available. Its all a crapshoot.
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You are right we don't know but my speculation is reasonable based on what I know of the psychology of mass killers - which honestly isn't a whole hell of a lot but probably more than many since I've actually taken the time to read up on it a little.

An interesting tidbit I came upon is that indiscriminate mass killings are a recent phenomenon. Prior to 1960 the vast majority of mass killings were either guys who went nuts and killed their family or killings connected to other crimes. People indiscriminately murdering people they didn't know just for the sake of killing was exceedingly rare. It's not the availability of firearms - lots of surplus military firearms from WWII found their way into civilian hands so you have to wonder what's changed in the environment.
 
Gaius46 said:
You are right we don't know but my speculation is reasonable based on what I know of the psychology of mass killers - which honestly isn't a whole hell of a lot but probably more than many since I've actually taken the time to read up on it a little.

An interesting tidbit I came upon is that indiscriminate mass killings are a recent phenomenon. Prior to 1960 the vast majority of mass killings were either guys who went nuts and killed their family or killings connected to other crimes. People indiscriminately murdering people they didn't know just for the sake of killing was exceedingly rare. It's not the availability of firearms - lots of surplus military firearms from WWII found their way into civilian hands so you have to wonder what's changed in the environment.
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It is something which deserves research by experts.

Hey Congress, Get Your Head Out of The Sand - Approve CDC Research on Gun Violence - Children's Mental Health Network
 
jghiretire said:
So apparently you're ok with women and children being shot - just so you can keep your gun?? No restrictions?? No nothing??
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This kind of disgusting mischaracterization of people who disagree with you is all I need to know to not take you seriously. Just because I don't support your bad unconstitutional ideas, that wouldn't have prevented their murder, somehow I must not care? Go **** yourself.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The assertion that lax state laws or lax enforcement of those laws are in any way related to the 2A was not established. What you have provided were simply other misapplications of the law and that occasional moronic fallure of the criminal "just us" system is in no way limited to gun cases.

Here is a case of a drunk, teenage driver that killed multiple people and was sentenced to probabtion (see link below).

'Affluenza' DUI Case: What Happened Night of the Accident That Left 4 People Dead - ABC News
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It is a false arguement to demand that any case be related in whatever mysterious way you are demanding. The 2a is not responsible for the attitude of stupidity with a gun that is americas problem. It is merely an excuse for that stupidity to occur. What i provided was some good examples of an attitude and an acceptance that americans relate their right to own a gun with a right to kill people. That no matter what the excuse the shooter will never be charged because americans believe their right to own a gun is also a right to kill.

Even your drunk driver case is kust an example of people being tolerant of driving while drunk. An idiot thing to do but not only does the drunk still try it those who should know better still let them leave the bar with teir car keys and drive away.

If you want to stop these things from happening we do not apply the ridiculous arguments of the pro gun group that "they want to take out gun / car away from us." We instead work on changing the attitude that americans have a right to kill.
 
soylentgreen said:
So your argument is that america is such a crime ridden ****hole that you need to kill criminals so desperate that they break into houses for your tv?
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He may be there to harm me or my family.
 
Maccabee said:
He may be there to harm me or my family.
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You are doing nothing more than a scare tactic. The most insidious part of this scare tactic is that it works on a fear of something that is within the realms of a possibility.
The question you are all avoiding in your attempt to spread fear though is how likely is it to happen.
The question is, is america really a third world banana republic where crime is so bad, society is so ****ed up that criminals will and often do break into occupied houses engage in gun fights and kill the occupants just so that they can steal a tv?

Or is it really a case of this is a rare instance especially when compared with gun deaths that occur in america.

So please, answer the question, is your country really a criminal ridden ****hole?
 
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