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The fraud of "warmest condolences" while doing nothing

Yet, not enough millions to get the constitution ignored - for now.

That is a somewhat hypocritical claim to make when many of the gun pro claim loudly the right of the second gives them also the right to shoot criminals or any they percieve to be a criminal. Which means of course they are the ones ignoring the 6th amendment in their haste to mete out justice.
 



the 6th applies to how government must treat it's citizens, not how a citizen can react to say an armed robbery. I don't think you understand our constitution.
 
the 6th applies to how government must treat it's citizens, not how a citizen can react to say an armed robbery. I don't think you understand our constitution.

No, the sixth guarantees every citizen the right to a fair trial which cannot take place if the government also allows vigilante justice by gun owners. Understanding the constitution means actually thinking and comprehending the meaning rather than issuing cliche statements how governments must treat it's citizens as you are doing.
 

Do you understand the difference between legal system justice and self defense?
 



I like Lionel's take on the left today--which he points out have no problem with pushing war--they LOVE the fact this Las Vegas shooter was a white man. Personally, I think it fits into the lefts mantra against average Joe American not bothering anyone else in the USA, that Joe American should have assault rifles or his handguns. Yet, the left has no problem putting those same guns in the hands of thugs across the Middle East who have every intent on "bothering" others in their country.

I only watched Linonel in this episode up to the 8:23 mark of the video. Between roughly the 7:00 to 8:23 marks he gives his opinions on the political left being happy this guy is white.

(And let's be honest... the NRA is viewed by most Americans as "white men.")


 



so if someone breaks into your house, you should not be able to shoot them?
 
Do you understand the difference between legal system justice and self defense?

Yes, but the pro gun lobby confuse that issue by claiming a right kill in defense. That is vigilantism.
 

I suppose if the would-be murder sneaking into my house late at night survives my return fire he could avail himself of his right to a fair and speedy trial.
But if he doesn't survive, well, his actions caused him to forfeit his 6th, didn't it. Nuff said. Got it?
I am not a vigilante if I gun down the guy shooting bullets at me. I am a vigilante if I go hunt down the guy who shot my brother last week. See the simple difference?
And these are legal descriptions more or less, not my opinion.
 



I'm an NRA member. Do you extend this venomous hate to the ~5 million Americans who are members?

Do you think any of us really wanted something like Vegas to happen?


Do you realize the two biggest mass murders in US history, both worse by far, were done with airplanes in one case and a truck bomb in another?

If gun control is the answer, explain Charlie Hebdo and the 77-dead Norway Massacre.
 

That is almost accurate, in some states, but the basic idea is offering a self-defense option that actually matters. Saying that granny has a right to stop a criminal in the act of victimizing her (or a nearby other) but not with a gun may sound like justice but often granny is no match for the criminal without that 2A option and the state may lose its only witness.
 
Oh? Can you elaborate on this idea so we can all understand how silly the 2nd is these days?

Hyperbole suites you. I did not say it was silly these days did i?
Do you really need me toi explain your own history?
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So tell me when was the last time you protected your family from “Blood Thirsty Heathen Red Savages”
 
When the state seeks to remove my natural right to protect myself and my family.... That is what 2A is about.
When we see that disappear, we are in big trouble as a nation.
 

I understand what you say in theory but definetly not in practice when you look at the many articles of people shooting randomly because they think they are being attacked. The application of the second gives the right to bear arms it does not give the right to pretend that someone can mete out justice.
 
When the state seeks to remove my natural right to protect myself and my family.... That is what 2A is about.
When we see that disappear, we are in big trouble as a nation.

Apparently the only nation to be in big trouble as other nations have very strict rules against vigilantism. Unless of course we allow for third world banana republics where murder is met with casual indifference.
 

Interesting. I always wondered how the 2nd applied to the nations.
Now back to our current discussion....
I thought you indicated it was outdated and not for our time. The supreme court seems to disagree with you.
 
Apparently the only nation to be in big trouble as other nations have very strict rules against vigilantism. Unless of course we allow for third world banana republics where murder is met with casual indifference.

You really don't understand the difference between self defense and vigilantism do you? That's kind of weird. It's simple enough.
 

You are quite correct and I have yet to see a case where that was the verdict. If you could supply such a case, where a random shooting of someone was held to be justified based on the 2A, then we will discuss it. The 2A confers protection to people from the government stopping them from keeping (owning/buying) and bearing (carrying) of arms (without due process) but has no affect on the shooting of anyone.
 
Apparently the only nation to be in big trouble as other nations have very strict rules against vigilantism. Unless of course we allow for third world banana republics where murder is met with casual indifference.

I'll try to help you get it. Someone asked a question in my CCW class about this kind of thing.
He explained you can shoot someone who broke into your house in the middle of the night because you have the right to self-defense.
But if someone steels your car, you can't shoot at them as they drive away. You are in no immediate danger.
One is self defense, the car issue would be vigilantism.
 

Why would you bring up the First Amendment when it has nothing to do with the Second?
 
typical liberal scumbag, shows the mindset of the alt-left. if you disagree with them you should be labeled a terrorist. What if he got his way and they would be labeled a terrorist, what then? swat raids? use guns to compel them to submit?

Actually, KO never said that. He specifically singled out people and organizations which enable murder and terrorism. Disagreeing with him was NOT the criteria and never has been.
 
Haymarket is the boy who cried Nazi!


Attacking me with an irrelevant video is a pathetic substitute for actual debate.
 
Why would you bring up the First Amendment when it has nothing to do with the Second?

Hmm... they are both part of the BoR and were passed by the same folks at the same time. I made myself perfectly clear as to why I related them as technology concerning both has improved over time.
 
I'm an NRA member. Do you extend this venomous hate to the ~5 million Americans who are members?

Not at all. Polls I have seen say that even a majority of the NRA members favor things like background checks. Its the leadership and a minority of fanatic zealots bought off with gun industry money who shape the organization and keep it the way it is.
 
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