teacher said:Robin and Canuck, sitting in a tree, wishing the downfall of America. Glad to see you two meet.
We invaded Iraq to facilitate the spread of Democracy in the middle east. A shining bastion of freedom for the nearby neighbors to look to as a symbol of hope. And it's working. The only way this terror thing will be reigned in is when WOMEN have a say in their government.
Let's go over this again for you two soulmates.
Iraq has elections in which WOMEN vote.
Afghanistan has elections in which WOMEN vote.
The freeflow of information grows in the region.
No longer is the sole source of news Madrases, Mullahs, and Al Jerkzera.
Kuwait just had their first WOMAN in their government.
Qaddafi folded fast like.
Syria out of Lebanon.
Sudan back to a representative government.
Satellite dishes growing like the hair on Billo's back.
Now I know you guys enjoy dogging the USA, fine. But understand most of us know your words are not fact based and are just wishful thinking. All the things you say will happen don't come to pass. All I say does. Your track record is abysmal. That's why you can't answer direct questions.
Makes it all the more fun to say....na na na na na.
Canuck said:how will all that matter to a single american when the oil around the would is sold in euros and not dollars
think about that
If your a fool you may go
if you see the implications we can talk
Canuck said:how will all that matter to a single american when the oil around the would is sold in euros and not dollars
think about that
If your a fool you may go
if you see the implications we can talk
teacher said:Indulge me please folks. Canuck is dropping his post he's so proud of everywhere and I'm following him around with my reply.
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Originally Posted by Canuck
this is the real news
As you see it.
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Iran’s future oil and natural gas wealth foreshadow its growth into a regional competitor to Israel as well as an energy-independent powerhouse.
The great energy producer Isreal?
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Their stated intention to sell resources via their own, homegrown bourse, is a direct threat to the existing economic system.
Iran vs. the world?
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It would greatly increase trade in petro-euros and send the dollar into a downward spiral. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
Speculation.
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The heart-and-soul of the empire is the Greenback; that flaccid, debt-ridden hoax that props-up the entire rickety structure of state-terror.
So much bullshit in that sentance I don't know where to begin.
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The $8 trillion dollars of accumulated debt that underwrites the greenback requires that the world continue to buy oil in dollars.
This nation can economically crush most any other country with a word. Most countries are beholden to us by their goods Americans purchase. That can change in the blink of the eye.
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The transition from dollars to petro-euros is a direct assault on a system that forces the lavish debt of the wealthiest nations onto the shoulders of the world’s poorest people.
Let them try. Us Americans don't sweat the small stuff.
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If the dollar falls from its place of prominence then the global power-structure would shift dramatically from the hands of western elites to the nations with the most resources.
Only if we choose to allow it.
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America’s corporate and financial giants will never allow that to happen, not as long as there’s one missile left in an American silo
We don't need missles to prosper economically. America is the worlds greatest military AND economic powerhouse. We hold all the cards.
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the rest was my own interpretation
Obviously.
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I am willing to debate anyone on the above assumptions though
There you go sport.
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you wont find a NEOcon up to the challenge,they know they would look silly to the world.best you will get from them is a sly remark!
Go rub some more syrup out of your trees, eh?
Class dismissed.
Se how this works sport?
Missouri Mule said:1. ******** Iran ***********
2. Syria
3. Pakistan
4. Saudi Arabia
In that order.
Canuck said:TEACHER needs alot more education if SHE /HE thinks america can stop deflation on the dollar if the world stops using green backs
robin said:Good posts Canuck.
To the rest of you I say... I'm more interested in facts & the truth, than indulging in bun fights.
robin said:Good posts Canuck.
To the rest of you I say... I'm more interested in facts & the truth, than indulging in bun fights.
A post by Ampickle under economics on the Asia times forum;
The American Dollar, R. I. P.
Saudi Arabia, immediately after the death of King Fahd, announced that it was going to repatriate $360 billion invested overseas in the last 18 months. Of course, the majority of this was invested in the United States, and Saudi Arabia can't possibly absorb all that money, so this is a polite way of saying that they will invest their oil revenues in countries other than the United States. Thus quietly ends the scheme that Saudi oil surpluses would be invested in the United States. This has worked exceptionally well for the Americans, and the thanks the Saudis got for it was to be constantly blamed for financing terrorism, financing which started at the insistence of the United States! The replacement of Prince Bandar - a man perceived as very close to American interests, particularly the Bush crime family itself - as Saudi ambassador to the United States almost certainly also signals that the Saudis are tired of propping up the American economy and receiving only aggravation in return. The loss of the very close friendship of the Saudis is another gift the Americans have received from the Zionists in the Bush Administration. Sometimes it helps to know who your real friends are.
The American Dollar, R. I. P.
Everybody has started to pick on the poor Americans:
South Korea, which holds the fourth largest currency reserves in the world, traditionally held in American debt instruments, announced in the spring that it was going to diversify into other currencies.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/22/markets/bondcenter/bonds/
Russia now calculates the value of the ruble in terms of a basket including the American Dollar and the Euro, with the Euro weighting in the basket gradually increasing. It is also considering denominating the value of its oil in Euros rather than Dollars.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/351/14927_euro.html
China has announced that the value of its currency will be determined by a basket of currencies, instead of being fixed against the American Dollar. The relative weightings of currencies in the basket is a secret, which will allow the Chinese to quietly divest themselves of American holdings without triggering a panic that would suddenly reduce the value of these holdings. The American political opposition of the Chinese acquisition of Unocal is going to turn out to be a very dumb move.
http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/11/content_467988.htm
With the new Chinese approach to valuing its currency, other Asian countries are likely to begin valuing their currencies against the Chinese currency, rather than against the increasingly pressured American dollar.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DD4E54C1-FF0E-4DA7-B5C3-4363A933EC73.htm
The Iranian oil bourse, a new international market for oil in which the oil will be priced in Euros rather than Dollars, is slated to open next spring.
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/08/american-dollar-r-i-p.html
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse by William R. Clark
(Friday August 05 2005) who is linked by Xymphora (on the forthcoming Iranian oil bourse)Clark was of course the originator (publicly) of the belief that the invasion of Iraq was launched essentially to snuff out the potential for crude oil sales in Euros which Saddam Hussein introduced just about the time Dubya was being sworn in after having being elected by the Supremes…. To maintain dollar hegemony, the US Trade deficit and the lifestyle of the West.
www.counterpunch.org/teague02262003.html
Central banks seek to calm dollar fears
By Anna Fifield and Song Jung-a in Seoul, David Pilling in Tokyo and Kathrin Hille in Taipei Financial Times Published: February 23 2005
It is a popular fallacy that the international FOREX market is as “free” as any market possibly could be. This article made clear that it was the heads of the major central bankers who basically operate a cartel in collusion with the Fed.
No Longer the “Lone” Superpower: Coming to Terms with China
By Chalmers Johnson March 2005
http://www.sandersresearch.com/Sanders/NewsManager/ShowNewsGen.aspx?NewsID=877
http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp105.html
Way to go! Good job to all of those who subscribe to the Pat Robertson School of Diplomacy...
Chavez: Venezuela Moves Reserves to Europe
All Associated Press NewsCARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela has moved its central bank foreign reserves out of U.S. banks, liquidated its investments in U.S. Treasury securities and placed the funds in Europe, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Friday.
"We've had to move the international reserves from U.S. banks because of the threats," from the U.S., Chavez said during televised remarks from a South American summit in Brazil.
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"The reserves we had (invested) in U.S. Treasury bonds, we've sold them and we moved them to Europe and other countries," he said.
Chavez, a sharp critic of what he calls "imperialist" U.S.-style capitalism, has often criticized foreign banks for the power they wield in international financial markets at the expense of poorer countries.
Chavez again proposed the creation of a South American central bank that would hold the foreign exchange reserves of all the central banks in the region.
"I'm ready right now with the Venezuelan central bank ... to move $5 billion (euro4.15 billion) (of Venezuelan reserves), to a South American bank," Chavez said.
Central bank officials could not be immediately reached for more details.
Chavez has also argued against central bank autonomy, saying excess foreign reserves should be spent on economic development projects.
Under his presidency, Venezuela's mostly pro-Chavez Congress changed central bank laws earlier this year so the government could tap reserves for spending, despite criticism that it would lead to devaluation of the local currency and higher inflation.
Every year the central bank must now compute an "optimum" amount of reserves and hand over the rest to a newly created national development fund.
Money held in the fund will be used for overseas purchases and to pay off outstanding debt.
Foreign exchange reserves held by the central bank stood at $30.434 billion (euro25.27 billion) as of Sept. 28, according to central bank data.
That's fine as long as you like Coke, Harley Davidsons & Mac Donalds & valve radios & American PC's handbuilt from American parts that cost $10,000. :lol:Missouri Mule said:All of this bash America and its currency is silly. We have a lot of trade debt and if any trading partner wants to withdraw from our market they can certainly do so. If the ME oil producers don't want our dollars, that will certainly hasten if not eliminate our reliance on the M.E. for energy production. It might even spur our lazy Congress to get off their duffs and do something about increasing our own energy production. In point of fact, the U.S. has some of the largest natural gas and coal reserves in the entire world.
Gee, it would be horrible if we couldn't buy those cheap Chinese goods, wouldn't it? What it would mean would be the collapse of the Chinese economy and the reemployment of American workers right here in the U.S.
I kinda like the idea of a collapsing dollar myself.
robin said:That's fine as long as you like Coke, Harley Davidsons & Mac Donalds & valve radios & American PC's handbuilt from American parts that cost $10,000. :lol:
Seriously though.. you could wind up like in 1929 :shock:
teacher said:Congrats bozo, I've brought out the smack cannon on you. In a couple differant places, see if you can find them.
1.teacher is to be left lowercase, I don't want to appear pampas.
2.He.
3.Our currency is our economic might. Our military presence. Our technological leadership. Our universities the whole world attends. Our hospitals the whole world sends it sick to. Our land that so many try to immigrate to. Our mear presence on the globe that helps deter countries from invading weaker nations. Our vast and fertile food producing land. And so much more. That you think a green piece of paper makes the difference shows how little you understand about this, the greatest, most benevolent, civilized country the world has ever seen.
Missouri Mule said:I kinda like the idea of a collapsing dollar myself.
I think a lot of people hear "strong" and "weak" currency and automatically associate them with "good" and "bad". As this quote says, a weak currency encourages investment by outsiders, like us going up to Canada to buy their stuff because we get a favorable exchange rate. The strength or weakness of the dollar is cyclic, and it's used as a tool to encourage growth in different sectors of the economy; one isn't blanketly better or worse than the other.teacher said:Me too. The thing people don't want to admit is when the dollar goes down we sell more of our products. More Europeans vacation here. More foreign money is spent and invested in America because their money goes farther comparatively. Trade imbalance switches, we export more than we import, good for the middle and lower classes really.
Canuck said:L O L
get an EDUCAtion
THE schools only teach you 60%
Missouri Mule said:All of this bash America and its currency is silly. We have a lot of trade debt and if any trading partner wants to withdraw from our market they can certainly do so. If the ME oil producers don't want our dollars, that will certainly hasten if not eliminate our reliance on the M.E. for energy production. It might even spur our lazy Congress to get off their duffs and do something about increasing our own energy production. In point of fact, the U.S. has some of the largest natural gas and coal reserves in the entire world.
Gee, it would be horrible if we couldn't buy those cheap Chinese goods, wouldn't it? What it would mean would be the collapse of the Chinese economy and the reemployment of American workers right here in the U.S.
I kinda like the idea of a collapsing dollar myself.
Canuck said:1) your trade 76% comes to Canda
2)your currency is refered to as funny money
3)your debt would reduce you to rubble if your money wasnt underwritten by the sole fact that it is used exclusively by the bussiness world
Im white ,53 yrs old ,I Love all peoples of the world .and my family has lived in Noth America for over 400 years.
my eyes dont tell me lies, most of the time, and my logic helps me when my eyes fail.
if you want 100 % absolute truth you will see only 60% of what is the truth
None of my statements ,I ever posted here. Has anything to do with AMERICA bashing.
ONLY to Americans, that have to rely on what their schools taught them,
would it seem that way. As all scools around the world teach only 60% politically correct courses.
if you want to learn the 40% that your country didn't teach you ,
your gona have to dig deep , on dusty shelves in the anals of history .it is all there ,if you have eyes, that dont tell you lies ,and a logical brain, that is not fused to the AMerica is alway right syndrom
I have many American friends ,And Canada and Canadians love americans
even through the arrogance ,and the war mongering ,we know it is not americans every where that are like. that it is only some of the leaders ,that are like that. and as such we know that many americans that only know their
academic education, See America as the beacon of righteousness.
as they didnt teach ,America the 40% that was left out, because it is to terrible for americans to know.
Canuck said:I'm white ,53 yrs old ,
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