The Final Debate

[cpwill]

I watched all but one of the debates. Not once did he call anyone "ugly" or "nasty" or "pig" or "Miss Housekeeping" or "fat slob."

You stated that he didn't call his male opponents Nasty. I linked him doing that two male opponents. You then retreated to claiming he didn't interrupt male opponents. I pointed out that he did. Now you are retreating to "miss housekeeping" to try to cover your failed arguments about interrupting and calling people nasty.

Give it up. Trump has plenty of crap on his record, if you want to play Angry Feminist, you've got much better material to work with than trying (and failing) to make this something it wasn't.

It was childish, rude, and (it should go without saying) unPresidential. But this? No, of all the ways Trump has mistreated women, this particular bit wasnt sexist.

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[humbolt]

Female teachers make what males make. Fry cook at Macdonalds make the same. Manager at suprmarket makes the same. What are all the jobs were women make less?

They pay women less in the Clinton campaign.

 

[Nilly]

How many times in the last ten years, twenty years, or hell, fifty years has a politician promised one thing for men. Now, how many times have they promised things for women?

I'll be waiting.

Yeah and they make those promises because women are disadvantaged compared to men. Obviously.

Some of those promises have been fulfilled, and women are closer than they ever have been to being equal. Some of those promises have not, or are not achievable by politicians.

 

[Henrin]

Female teachers make what males make. Fry cook at Macdonalds make the same. Manager at suprmarket makes the same. What are all the jobs were women make less?

There isn't any. Liberals either compare wages across the entire market or compare jobs at different levels at a place of employment to make their argument.

 

[Moot]

People focused on such an insignificant comment should lose their right to vote...

Trump made his own bed....let him lie in it.

 

[Henrin]

Yeah and they make those promises because women are disadvantaged compared to men. Obviously.

Some of those promises have been fulfilled, and women are closer than they ever have been to being equal. Some of those promises have not, or are not achievable by politicians.

Really? I guess I will need to check the laws on what kind of protections boys have from being militated by doctors v. girls or look into why exactly the courts still treat fathers like ****, or why men don't have paternal choice. Or maybe I should look into why exactly the state only seems to care about female employment and education. What do you think I will find? Lets see, no bills put on the floor anywhere to ban infant or childhood circumcision, barely any efforts to stop courts from mistreating fathers, zero efforts and no willingness at all to give men parental choice, and zero efforts since 1948 or even discussion about declining male employment or educational excellence. Do you think women would still be waiting around for those things to get done? Oh right, they had those things done for them years ago. Go figure.

 

[Moot]

I know that, you know that-people who have spent their life getting rich through influence peddling in public office have no clue. Hillary's never built a business. She's never had to deal with that fact. When she was a partner in a law firm, she claimed all the important decisions were made by a second year associate. SO she pretended she didn't even have much say in billing issues

28% of US presidents didn't have a college education.

 

[Henrin]

28% of US presidents didn't have a college education.

And today most politicians come from a few elite schools. What's your point?

 

[Moot]

There isn't any. Liberals either compare wages across the entire market or compare jobs at different levels at a place of employment to make their argument.

Corporations and small business are notorious for under paying women. Problem is most women don't know they're being under paid. That's why the Lilly Ledbetter Act was passed.

 

[TurtleDude]

28% of US presidents didn't have a college education.

and some supreme court justices didn't go to law school

and some doctors in our history didn't go to medical school or pass medical board exams

and some of our lawyers didn't pass bar exams

but that was then, and that is no longer relevant Moot. And what does that response have to do with the comment of mine you quoted?

 

[Moot]

And today most politicians come from a few elite schools. What's your point?

TB seems to put a lot of importance in college grades...especially when he talks about presidents. So whats your point?

 

[TurtleDude]

Corporations and small business are notorious for under paying women. Problem is most women don't know they're being under paid. That's why the Lilly Ledbetter Act was passed.

that's already against the law. Its called Title VII. most of the claims that women are underpaid are bogus. for example, I started at a big law firm in 1985. I had three Ivy Degrees. a female associate started at the same time I did. She was on the law review of a decent law school-ranked about 75 in the country. we were paid the same our first year. The firm split up about 5 years later and I had already received a WH appointment to the DOJ, she became a county prosecutor.

I was making over 100K a year when I left. I was informed by her she was making 80K or so.

so was she underpaid because she was a female? No. I brought in over 400K in fees my last year there. Her "generation" numbers were less than 25K. She had less billable hours in the four prior years. However, the highest paid Junior Partner was a woman. she brought in lots of business and worked lots of hours.

most of these claims of women being underpaid are not apples to apples comparisons.

now if a young executive or (in my case-a senior associate) bargains for a higher salary, is that a violation? One guy who was only a year ahead of me was the brother of a multi millionaire. he went to the senior partners and said-make me a partner NOW or I am taking my brother's business (about 4 million a year) to another rival firm. He made partner ahead of 2 men and 2 women with more seniority and more hours than he did. that's the way things work. He was a good negotiator and having a four million a year trump card in his pocket made him a very effective bargainer.

 

[Bodi]

Trump made his own bed....let him lie in it.

People that care about hat have problems...

 

[Bodi]

28% of US presidents didn't have a college education.

Not sure ive seen a bigger miss of the point...

 

[TurtleDude]

TB seems to put a lot of importance in college grades...especially when he talks about presidents. So whats your point?

I am merely pointing out that Hillary isn't as smart as some of her fawning fan club members claim she is. People make it sound that she was in the same league as Obama or Romney as a law student and she wasn't. Her main advantage as a lawyer in Arkansas was that she practiced law that mainly involved representing people before regulatory agencies that were made up of regulators who owned their jobs to her husband

 

[TurtleDude]

Not sure ive seen a bigger miss of the point...

maybe you can explain how her comment was even relevant to my quote that she attempted to respond to

 

[Taylor]

Dangerous hyperbole. The peaceful transition of power in our country is one key to its success. Being flippant, "I'll leave you in suspense", is flat out irresponsible.

I don't know how you go from that comment to there not being a peaceful transition of power.

 

[Moot]

that's already against the law. Its called Title VII. most of the claims that women are underpaid are bogus. for example, I started at a big law firm in 1985. I had three Ivy Degrees. a female associate started at the same time I did. She was on the law review of a decent law school-ranked about 75 in the country. we were paid the same our first year. The firm split up about 5 years later and I had already received a WH appointment to the DOJ, she became a county prosecutor.

I was making over 100K a year when I left. I was informed by her she was making 80K or so.

so was she underpaid because she was a female? No. I brought in over 400K in fees my last year there. Her "generation" numbers were less than 25K. She had less billable hours in the four prior years. However, the highest paid Junior Partner was a woman. she brought in lots of business and worked lots of hours.

most of these claims of women being underpaid are not apples to apples comparisons.

now if a young executive or (in my case-a senior associate) bargains for a higher salary, is that a violation? One guy who was only a year ahead of me was the brother of a multi millionaire. he went to the senior partners and said-make me a partner NOW or I am taking my brother's business (about 4 million a year) to another rival firm. He made partner ahead of 2 men and 2 women with more seniority and more hours than he did. that's the way things work. He was a good negotiator and having a four million a year trump card in his pocket made him a very effective bargainer.

I don't think you're qualified to speak for women, TD. I had worked for a company for almost a year, getting paid by the piece, before I found out I was getting under paid. The only reason I found out is because a new guy with less experience and talent told me what he was getting paid. So I went to the owner and complained...and he told me the only reason the new guy was getting paid more was because he had a family. So I quit and moved to California where they had unions and within two years I had a six figure income.

 

[Mycroft]

A better angle, showing your claim to be hilarious bunk?

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Your picture simply reinforced mine. I thank you.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't think you're qualified to speak for women, TD. I had worked for a company for almost a year, getting paid by the piece, before I found out I was getting under paid. The only reason I found out is because a new guy with less experience and talent told me what he was getting paid. So I went to the owner and complained...and he told me the only reason the new guy was getting paid more was because he had a family. So I quit and moved to California where they had unions and within two years I had a six figure income.

so why didn't you complain to DOL-wage and hours? as someone who litigated Title VII cases I am qualified to talk about sex discrimination in the work place. and when the Hillary campaign complains, she is mainly LYING.

 

[Gina]

I don't know how you go from that comment to there not being a peaceful transition of power.

Because he said, "I'll keep you in suspense" rather than saying he would accept the outcome of the election, on the heels of days and days of saying "the system is rigged". And if he doesn't win it's because the election was stolen from him. The sane people in the GOP are very concerned about this and his own VP is not in agreement with him.

It's a tradition that the losing candidate concedes. He's threatening to disrupt that tradition.

 

[Moot]

I am merely pointing out that Hillary isn't as smart as some of her fawning fan club members claim she is. People make it sound that she was in the same league as Obama or Romney as a law student and she wasn't. Her main advantage as a lawyer in Arkansas was that she practiced law that mainly involved representing people before regulatory agencies that were made up of regulators who owned their jobs to her husband

So she's not the same league as Obama or Romney because she didn't graduate cum lade and didn't pass the DC bar exam..and all her work as a partner in law firm and as a first lady of Ark. and the US, a senator and Sec. of State is irrelevant because of her husband. Did I miss anything?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Because he said, "I'll keep you in suspense" rather than saying he would accept the outcome of the election, on the heels of days and days of saying "the system is rigged". And if he doesn't win it's because the election was stolen from him. The sane people in the GOP are very concerned about this and his own VP is not in agreement with him.

It's a tradition that the losing candidate concedes. He's threatening to disrupt that tradition.

Rebellions do tend to make threats.

Just saying....

 

[Gina]

Rebellions do tend to make threats.

Just saying....

Is that what he's fomenting? Rebellion?

 

[Kobie]

Rebellions do tend to make threats.

Just saying....

Anyone who think this is a "rebellion" is an idiot of almost biblical proportions.