The Fanatics Rule Islam

[jfuh]

I am with you on this logic. Even 1000 fundamental terrorists is a dangerous thing able to create havoc on a catastrophic scale.

My only disagreement is I do not believe most Muslims are terrorists or are able to perform acts of terror.

I know for a fact that most muslims are not terrorist.
Misguided and superstitious as with all religions but terrorists? No.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

Here's one man's suggestions for how to proceed, domestically anyway.

Evangelize all Muslims? Force them to give up their religion? How rational. How reasonable! Those good ol' peaceable Christian fanatics never did us any harm- the more we have the better. Forget the First Amendment- what we need is a First Emendment to prohibit this "religious freedom" BS and get rid of those agnostic, feminist-loving liberal creeps the majority of our godless nation supports. Then there won't be any more starving kids, health-care issues or environmental problems- Jesus will protect us! Now we can go make war on the entire ME (and hope Jesus put a few trillion gallons of oil reserves over in Alaska). Yippee-yee-haw!

Is your hatred of Islam something that was tought to you by your parents, or was it a reaction to the actions of nineteen people on 9/11 that made you think of a billion others as "dangerous fundamentalists" that needed to be converted? I look forward to your answer.

 

[bhkad]

Evangelize all Muslims? Force them to give up their religion? How rational. How reasonable! Those good ol' peaceable Christian fanatics never did us any harm- the more we have the better. Forget the First Amendment- what we need is a First Emendment to prohibit this "religious freedom" BS and get rid of those agnostic, feminist-loving liberal creeps the majority of our godless nation supports. Then there won't be any more starving kids, health-care issues or environmental problems- Jesus will protect us! Now we can go make war on the entire ME (and hope Jesus put a few trillion gallons of oil reserves over in Alaska). Yippee-yee-haw!

Is your hatred of Islam something that was tought to you by your parents, or was it a reaction to the actions of nineteen people on 9/11 that made you think of a billion others as "dangerous fundamentalists" that needed to be converted? I look forward to your answer.

It was a result of 9/11 and I don't HATE Islam. I simply look at the concerted efforts to mislead non-Muslims and the animosities that some Muslims have for non-Muslims and what seems to be going on without our knowing it and it concerns me.

Add to that the tendency that many have to not read every post, to not remember or even think about what they read, their inability to separate truth from fiction, their need to see things frequently and repetitively for facts to make sense or sink in and the fact that there are always more new people coming on board. All that means that to you it may seem like hatred but I'm just exploring the subject and sharing my knowledge.

I love Muslims who aren't out to conquer the world. I wince and lament the death of innocent Muslims in Iraq and hope we can stay long enough for the Iraqi government to be able to protect the people's liberties.

Just like Muslims love Americans who aren't trying to stop them from conquering the world.

Except that the ones who are trying to conquer the world probably don't love Americans.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bhkad
It was a result of 9/11 and I don't HATE Islam. I simply look at the concerted efforts to mislead non-Muslims and the animosities that some Muslims have for non-Muslims and what seems to be going on without our knowing it and it concerns me.

Add to that the tendency that many have to not read every post, to not remember or even think about what they read, their inability to separate truth from fiction, their need to see things frequently and repetitively for facts to make sense or sink in and the fact that there are always more new people coming on board. All that means that to you it may seem like hatred but I'm just exploring the subject and sharing my knowledge.

I love Muslims who aren't out to conquer the world.

Just like Muslims love Americans who aren't trying to stop them from conquering the world.

Except that the ones who are trying to conquer the world probably don't love Americans.

And the American's that are trying to conquer the world...

 

[bhkad]

And the American's that are trying to conquer the world...

You have no proof that we are trying to do that. Does liberal democracy or representative democracy or liberty or freedom mean anything to you?

 

[bhkad]

I am with you on this logic. Even 1000 fundamental terrorists is a dangerous thing able to create havoc on a catastrophic scale.

My only disagreement is I do not believe most Muslims are terrorists or are able to perform acts of terror.

As was stated in the OP the majority needn't be terrorists for the fanatics to rule the religion.

ALL, however, are required to perform Jihad.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bhkad
You have no proof that we are trying to do that. Does liberal democracy or representative democracy or liberty or freedom mean anything to you?

No proof?

Let me see...

Who's the only country, running around the world,
attacking sovereign nation's right now?

 

[bhkad]

No proof?

Let me see...

Who's the only country, running around the world,
attacking sovereign nation's right now?

The Nation of Islam.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bhkad
The Nation of Islam.

And just what countries are they attacking?

 

[bhkad]

And just what countries are they attacking?

It must suck to always have to invite the evidence that sinks your argument. But I do understand you have no alternative.


Ok. Here ya go.

It's all about Iraq, isn't it?

Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 7 Days
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
7/21/07 Ingushetia Karabulak 1 0 Muslim gunmen assassinate a government official in charge of 'ethnic relations'.
7/20/07 Pakistan Miran Shah 4 6 Four innocents are killed by a suicide car bomber.
7/20/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamists gun down a drug store owner in his shop.
7/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 A ruthless attack by Mujahideen leaves two Australian civilians dead.
7/20/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 0 Sixteen victims of sectarian violence are found scattered around the city.
7/20/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 0 Taliban militants murder three civilians with a roadside bomb.
7/20/07 Afghanistan Helmand 2 2 Two civilians are killed by a car bomb.
7/19/07 Afghanistan Fayzabad 1 25 Women and children are among the casualties of a suicide bombing.
7/19/07 Chechnya Assinovskaya 2 3 Two policemen are killed when Mujahideen attack their post.
7/19/07 Pakistan Hub 30 28 Thirty people are slaughtered when Sunni bombers target Chinese engineers along a road.
7/19/07 Somalia Mogadishu 6 3 Children playing soccer are hit by mortars fired by Islamists. Six are killed and three injured.
7/19/07 Pakistan Hangu 8 22 At least eight are killed when suicide bombers ram their vehicle into a police training facility.
7/19/07 Pakistan Kohat 18 19 Fedayeen suicide bombers hit a mosque inside an army base, blasting eighteen people to death.
7/19/07 Somalia Baruha 1 0 Islamists shoot a civilian in the head as he is holding a child.
7/19/07 Afghanistan Helmand 6 2 Religious extremists ambush a police car, killing a dozen Afghans at point-blank range.
7/19/07 Iraq Khalis 5 4 Islamic gunmen attack a village, killing five residents.
7/19/07 Nigeria Sokoto 1 0 A Sunni mob beats a Shia to death.
7/19/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 4 A man killed in front of his wife and children is among twenty victims of Jihad sectarian violence around the city.
7/18/07 Iraq Khalis 7 0 Seven bus passengers are brutally shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
7/18/07 Pakistan Miranshah 16 14 al-Qaeda backed militants ambush an army convoy with rockets, killing sixteen Pakistanis.
7/18/07 Russia Kizilyurt 4 3 Islamic separatists are suspected in the bombing of a school playground that kills four policemen.
7/18/07 Philippines Lamitan 1 0 A Sunni missionary is dismembered by Abu Sayyaf militants on suspicion of spying.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 4 4 Four electrical workers are killed when Jihadis target their minibus with a truck bomb.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 12 Random sectarian attacks leave twenty-two Iraqis dead.
7/18/07 Iraq Baghdad 17 18 A series of Sunni bomb attacks kills at least seventeen innocents.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Khost 3 0 A suicide bomber blasts three Afghans to Allah.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 0 Taliban extremists murder two police officers riding bikes.
7/18/07 Afghanistan Zabul 7 4 Seven Afghan police officers are murdered in a brutal ambush by religious extremists.
7/18/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 3 Two people are killed when radical Muslims shell a market.
7/18/07 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 Islamists kidnap and behead a civilian.
7/18/07 Nigeria Sokoto 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated by a rival Shiite militia.
7/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 20 20 Sunnis send a suicide bomber into a Shia residential neighborhood to blast twenty innocents to death.
7/17/07 Iraq Samarra 1 3 A hospital director is gunned down by militant Muslims.
7/17/07 Iraq Baghdad 31 10 Jihadis ring up over thirty dead Iraqis in various shooting and bombing attacks.
7/17/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 0 Fatah al-Islam snipers pick off four Lebanese soldiers.
7/17/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamic radicals shoot a soldier to death by the side of a road.
7/17/07 Pakistan Islamabad 13 45 A suicide bomber detonates in a crowd a political rally. Thirteen innocents are killed.
7/17/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 4 At least one person is killed when Islamic militants throw a grenade into a market.
7/17/07 Pakistan Mir Ali 5 0 A suicide bomber murders five people at a checkpoint.
7/17/07 India Baltal 1 17 Islamists toss a grenade into a crowd of Hindu pilgrims, killing one.
7/17/07 India Poonch 2 8 Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists attack a security patrol, killing two members.
7/17/07 Pakistan Khar Banda 1 0 A civilian is abducted and beheaded by the Taliban.
7/17/07 Iraq Muqdadiya 14 0 Twelve members of one family are massacred by Islamic terrorists in their home. Two women are gunned down elsewhere in the city.
7/17/07 Lebanon Nahr el-Bared 4 0 Four Lebanese troops are killed by Fatah al-Islam snipers.
7/17/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is shot to death outside a school by militant Muslims.
7/17/07 Thailand Yala 1 31 A double bomb attack by Islamic radicals at a railway station leaves at least one person dead and thirty-one injured.
7/17/07 Iraq Dulayiya 29 4 Nearly thirty men, women and children gathered for a soccer game are hacked and shot to death by radical Sunnis.
7/16/07 Ingushetia Ordzhonikidzevskaya 3 7 A Christian woman and her two children are murdered in their home by Islamic gunmen. Seven mourners are injured when their funeral is bombed two days later.
7/16/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 4 Two civilians are among three killed by Islamic militants in two attacks.
7/16/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 0 A Taliban attack leaves one Afghan dead.
7/16/07 Pal. Auth. Gaza 1 0 Hamas militants kidnap and suffocate a 45-year-old man.
7/16/07 Iraq Samarrah 5 0 Armed Jihadis shoot five people in the head.
7/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 39 45 Muslim terrorists rack up forty dead Iraqis in various sectarian attacks.
7/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 Two sisters are killed when they are taken hostage by Muslim terrorists and forced into a explosives-laden car.
7/16/07 Afghanistan Helmand 3 2 Five Afghans are killed in a roadside bombing by Taliban extremists.
7/16/07 Philippines Tugas 2 1 Abu Sayyaf militants ambush a security patrol, killing two members.
7/16/07 Iraq Kirkuk 85 180 Sunni suicide truck bombers massacre eighty-five Iraqi civilians near a Kurdish political office.
7/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 0 Twenty-two victims of sectarian violence are found, including several women.
7/15/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 Two civilians and a government official are killed when an Islamist hurls a grenade into a municipal office.
7/15/07 Thailand Yala 1 1 A Muslim who 'switched sides' is shot to death at a market. His wife is seriously injured.
7/15/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 25 61 Twenty-five innocents are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber on foot.
7/15/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 52-year-old railway worker is shot to death by Islamists on his way to work.
7/15/07 Pakistan Swat 17 47 Civilians are among seventeen people blasted to death by a suicide bomber on a highway.
7/15/07 Iraq Aziziya 2 0 A woman and her 8-year-old son are brutally gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
7/15/07 Afghanistan Paktika 1 3 One person is killed when Islamists fire a rocket into his home.
7/15/07 Afghanistan Paktika 5 2 Religious extremists kill five highway construction workers with a bomb.
7/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 25 Sunnis kill ten with a car bombing along a city square.
7/14/07 Iraq Hillah 9 3 Jihadis barge into a house and murder nine members of a family, including women and children.
7/14/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a 66-year-old farmer to death.
7/14/07 Pakistan Essa 1 0 A Pakistani soldier is shot to death by an Islamic militant at a checkpoint.
7/14/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 1 Islamists kill a woman and injure her 8-month-old baby in a grenade attack.
7/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 12 Jihadis manage to kill twenty-eight Iraqis in various shooting and bombing attacks.
7/14/07 Iraq Baghdad 7 15 Sunnis bomb a gas station, killing at least seven people lining up for fuel.
7/14/07 Thailand Songkhla 2 0 Two civilians are ambushed and murdered by Islamic radicals.
7/14/07 Iraq Suwayra 6 0 Six people are murdered by Islamic radicals and thrown into a river.
7/14/07 Pakistan North Waziristan 23 27 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends twenty-three Pakistani soldiers to Allah.
7/14/07 Afghanistan Paktia 2 0 Two men are gunned down by religious extremists.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bkhad:
It must suck to always have to invite the evidence that sinks your argument. But I do understand you have no alternative.


Ok. Here ya go.

You forgot these...

7/19/07 Two U.S. soldiers have been charged with murdering an Iraqi last month near the northern city of Kirkuk, the military announced Thursday. Their commander was relieved of duty in connection with the allegations, a statement from the military said.

7/19/07 On Wednesday, a U.S. Marine was found guilty of conspiring to kidnap and kill an Iraqi man in 2006. Three other U.S. soldiers were charged last month with the murder of three Iraqis in separate incidents south of Baghdad.

7/19/07 A military jury found an American marine guilty on Wednesday of conspiring to kidnap and kill an Iraqi man seized from his home and shot dead last year.

Don't you think it will take kind of a long time to take over the world one killing at a time?

 

[bhkad]

You forgot these...

Don't you think it will take kind of a long time to take over the world one killing at a time?

Those aren't examples of Muslims trying to conquer nations.

You misunderestimate your pals.

Somalia took less than a year. Iraq may be theirs within ten years. Only Westerners think in the short term.

And just because a cancer may be slow to kill you does that mean you'd welcome it?

Why don't you go and contract HIV and I'll tell you it will take a long time for the disease to take you, one T-cell at a time.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by bkhad:
Those aren't examples of Muslims trying to conquer nations.

Neither were yours!

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

It was a result of 9/11 and I don't HATE Islam. I simply look at the concerted efforts to mislead non-Muslims and the animosities that some Muslims have for non-Muslims and what seems to be going on without our knowing it and it concerns me.

Add to that the tendency that many have to not read every post, to not remember or even think about what they read, their inability to separate truth from fiction, their need to see things frequently and repetitively for facts to make sense or sink in and the fact that there are always more new people coming on board. All that means that to you it may seem like hatred but I'm just exploring the subject and sharing my knowledge.

I love Muslims who aren't out to conquer the world. I wince and lament the death of innocent Muslims in Iraq and hope we can stay long enough for the Iraqi government to be able to protect the people's liberties.

Just like Muslims love Americans who aren't trying to stop them from conquering the world.

Except that the ones who are trying to conquer the world probably don't love Americans.

I wasn't being completely serious with my post, but my point was that you need to read what you post more carefully to prevent junk like that source from slipping in and diluting your anit-fanatic argument. Also, your world takeover conspiracy theories get annoying sometimes. Do you have any actual good sites for finding out whether numbers of muslims are increasing in relation to the rest of us? Or whether more people here or in France, England, etc. sympathize with terror than, say, five years ago? If so, it would be an interesting read.

 

[bhkad]

Neither were yours!

You can simply deny it all you want but it won't make it true.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by bhkad
You can simply deny it all you want but it won't make it true.

Individual acts of violence falls far short of an invasion with a significant force. I'm not the one in denial here.

 

[bhkad]

I wasn't being completely serious with my post, but my point was that you need to read what you post more carefully to prevent junk like that source from slipping in and diluting your anit-fanatic argument. Also, your world takeover conspiracy theories get annoying sometimes. Do you have any actual good sites for finding out whether numbers of muslims are increasing in relation to the rest of us? Or whether more people here or in France, England, etc. sympathize with terror than, say, five years ago? If so, it would be an interesting read.

There is no clearinghouse that registers and keeps track of the converts to extremism. All we can do is continually read the reports from all sources and in the dozens, hundreds and thousands of words and images you get a picture.

If there was ONE indication to determine the increase, try here.

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TROP.jpg

 

[bhkad]

Individual acts of violence falls far short of an invasion with a significant force. I'm not the one in denial here.

You have a narrowly limited vision of what it takes to threaten or conquer a nation.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by bhkad
If there was ONE indication to determine the increase,

That's a no brainer!

US troops on muslim soil.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by bhkad
You have a narrowly limited vision of what it takes to threaten or conquer a nation.

All it takes now-a-days to conquer a nation is a television set.

 

[mikhail]

Why cant people get this through their heads IF GEORGE BUSH AND AMERICAN "CULTURAL IMPERIALISM" IS WHAT YOU SAY IT IS THEY WOULD JUST KILL EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HAVE THEIR OIL.

 

[bhkad]

That's a no brainer!

US troops on muslim soil.

Well, it looks like you've exhausted not only your ability to BS, but my willingness to entertain it.

I bid you adieu.

 

[bhkad]

All it takes now-a-days to conquer a nation is a television set.

Then why do you bring up invasion forces? :roll:

You are a waste of time, I think.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by bhkad
Then why do you bring up invasion forces?

You are a waste of time, I think.

It was your decision to waste!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by bhkad
Well, it looks like you've exhausted not only your ability to BS, but my willingness to entertain it.

I bid you adieu.

Salam malakim