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It is a proven and a well-known fact that the first Russian state was Kievan Rus - take note: “Rus,” not Ukraine! It is also well known that the very word “Ukraine” is from the old Russian world which refers never to a country, but to the mere border region between the countries and empires mentioned above. Later, the word "Ukraine" was used for the westernmost parts of the Russian Empire. When the Russian Empire expanded southwards, the new territories that were liberated from mostly Turkish occupation were called Novorossiya, or New Russia. Again, no mention of "Ukraine"! These are also well-known and proven historical facts. The north-eastern parts of the territory were called Malorossiya, or Little Russia. Unfortunately, the communist leaders of the USSR chose to put all of these parts together into a new Soviet republic and called the combination "Ukraine". They also added the only historically non-Russian part, Galicia, to this new republic and later added Crimea as a "gift", and all of this without calling the territory (minus Galicia) by its real, historical names: Novorossiya and Malorossiya. This was done partly by coincidence and partly for convenience, because most of this large territory had formerly been the "borderlands" of Russia.
When the USSR was broken up by internal treason and against the will of the vast majority of the people as shown by the 1991 referendum, the Americans could, by controlling their puppet, the alcoholic traitor Yeltsin, ensure that the genuine Russian parts of the Soviet Union, i.e., most of the Ukrainian SSR such as Novorossiya and Malorossiya, were left outside of Russia and not returned to the Russian Federation. This was of course done to weaken the new Russian state, and not out of any compassion for the new pseudo-state of "Ukraine".
All you're doing is giving ammo to Ukrainian ultranationalists and making Russians look like a gang of arrogant drunken dickheads, you realize this right?
Personally I'm not in favor of military action for no reason, and I think there's a good chance that Ukraine will eventually return to a more normal government which seeks co-operation and normal relations with Russia.
OR, Russia realizes it is neither economically or militarily able to wage wars abroad like the United States, and collapses in on itself due to rank stupidity and a rapidly-disintegrating personality cult...
It's not my view - it's a view.
Personally I'm not in favor of military action for no reason, and I think there's a good chance that Ukraine will eventually return to a more normal government which seeks co-operation and normal relations with Russia.
Russia is none of those
Westphalian:
Regarding the bolded statement. It is not your view but you cite it here to diseminate it to a wider audience while providing no alternative to the ersatz-Ukraine thesis. Me thinks you do support it and that you would very much like to see a Novorossiya gobble up either part or all of Ukraine. Ukraine existed as a separate and increasingly sovereign republic of the USSR. The incremental sovereignty came in 1944 and 1977 and reached its full bloom in 1991 when Ukraine was solemnly recognized by the Russian government as a fully independent and sovereign state. Rusdia guaranteed to respect and protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine in return for its denuclearisation in the Budapest Memoranda, an agreement which it broke in 2014 with its military seizure of Crimea and its destabilising hybrid warfare in South-Eastern Ukraine's Donbas region.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Ok.....do we want to go through the list of current countries that were not historically independent? And the article seems to ignore that Ukrainian and Russian are separate languages although mostly mutually intelligible (similar to Danish and Norwegian).
And then there’s the fact that naming conventions for Ukrainian and Russian surnames are completely different.
Ukrainians have long considered themselves separate from Russia.
Kyiv Rus has nothing to do with "Russia", Timothy Snyder
No, pretty much all ethnic Ukrainians consider themselves distinct form Russians: and vice-Bersa.Ukrainian nationalists - yes.
Both that's far from an overwhelming majority.
If what you believe was true, Kiev wouldn't be trying so desperately hard to create and impose on everyone a Ukrainian identity and allegiance.
Katehon is a right wing think tank based in Russia. Thanks for the Russian propaganda, but I do not fall for crap like that. You guys are just trying to convince people that a country isnt a country so its ok to invade it it and take it over.
:roll::roll:
Russia doesn't want to, and won't, invade Ukraine ...... it's a failing state and another economic drain which the West won't save.
My personal view is that Ukraine will correct the excesses of its current regime madness in making Russia an enemy.
It's not my view - it's a view.
Personally I'm not in favor of military action for no reason, and I think there's a good chance that Ukraine will eventually return to a more normal government which seeks co-operation and normal relations with Russia.
I'm wondering (beyond that) whether Savushkina Street doesn't provide training any more or whether he just skipped courses.How much do you get paid to troll forums with this crap?
but you just had to throw it out there, eh?It's not my view - it's a view.
Russia (better said the Kremlin) will have to get out first. One doesn't succeed much (even if one wants to) in forming "normal" relations with an occupying power that comprises bullies, thieves, kidnapers and murderers.Personally I'm not in favor of military action for no reason, and I think there's a good chance that Ukraine will eventually return to a more normal government which seeks co-operation and normal relations with Russia.
Great show, Gospodin.:roll::roll:
Russia doesn't want to, and won't, invade Ukraine ...... it's a failing state and another economic drain which the West won't save.
My personal view is that Ukraine will correct the excesses of its current regime madness in making Russia an enemy.
the usual balderdash from a Russian right wing propaganda sewer.
I suggest you read some history of the region, you ignorance is very evident. You should be ashamed.
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