Herophant said:The fall of the US hegemony?
There can be no doubt that the US is the hegemonic power in the world now, but will they keep their position forever? Spain, the Netherlands and Britain have all lost their pre-eminent power as the leading state of the world.
What are your thoughts on the future of the USA? Will it keep is position as the leading state? How will USA be perceived in 50 years, as a bright beacon of freedom and a shining city on the hill or as a despotic suppressor state?
Herophant said:The fall of the US hegemony?
There can be no doubt that the US is the hegemonic power in the world now, but will they keep their position forever? Spain, the Netherlands and Britain have all lost their pre-eminent power as the leading state of the world.
What are your thoughts on the future of the USA? Will it keep is position as the leading state? How will USA be perceived in 50 years, as a bright beacon of freedom and a shining city on the hill or as a despotic suppressor state?
Herophant said:Well I am new to this forum so I wouldn’t know...
Personably I think it’s an interesting question, how long will American dominance last, and how will history view it?
Btw is there any way of moving this thread to the International Politics board, I think it would be more fitting there.
Herophant said:The fall of the US hegemony?
TimmyBoy said:I think this should be in US Politics. When nationalism is turned on, like it is on this message board, logic and reasoning go out the window. Do you think the US will be viewed in much the same way as Imperial Britian?
Which raises the question why is there such universal contempt for us? What have we done that has made us lose our almost universal love and respect?Calm2Chaos said:I don't think it has anything to do with nationalism. Just as it doesn't have anything to do with your utter and complete contempt for the US.
I agree, except for the last part. There are some people that will despise us regardless, and thus there's no point in trying to get them to like us. But then there are allies who 30 or 40 years ago would've gone with us wherever who didn't get behind us for Iraq. Keep in mind that traditionally Europe has been an undying ally (namely because we keep saving their asses), and now there we have England (although domestically their support of the US seems to be very unpopular), and some support from Spain and Italy (I think), and worldwide the only nation that will support us to the end of the earth is a nation with no real military to speak of, Japan.To answer the original question though. I think there are a number of differences between the US and those that you mentioned. The US is not looking to expand it's territory or land rights accross the globe. Contrary to what some people will say. Having a millitary base does not constitute possesion or occupation in other nations. We don't make the right choices or decisions all the time. I don't think you will fiind anyone on this board that thinks the US has been perfect in it's foreign policy. But I think we as a nation are aimed more towards allowing or helping others to guide themselves, as oppossed to occupying and conquering nations for expansion. The same people that despise the US such as Timmy, will always despise it. They will always look to it's faults and misteps, as posed to anything good that may come from our actions.
TimmyBoy said:I think this should be in US Politics. When nationalism is turned on, like it is on this message board, logic and reasoning go out the window. Do you think the US will be viewed in much the same way as Imperial Britian?
Calm2Chaos said:I don't think it has anything to do with nationalism. Just as it doesn't have anything to do with your utter and complete contempt for the US.
To answer the original question though. I think there are a number of differences between the US and those that you mentioned. The US is not looking to expand it's territory or land rights accross the globe. Contrary to what some people will say. Having a millitary base does not constitute possesion or occupation in other nations. We don't make the right choices or decisions all the time. I don't think you will fiind anyone on this board that thinks the US has been perfect in it's foreign policy. But I think we as a nation are aimed more towards allowing or helping others to guide themselves, as oppossed to occupying and conquering nations for expansion. The same people that despise the US such as Timmy, will always despise it. They will always look to it's faults and misteps, as posed to anything good that may come from our actions.
Gandhi>Bush said:Moved to International Politics by request.
George_Washington said:Don't forget also that now that Shroeder is out of the picture in Germany, the newly elected female President of the Christian Democrat Party has said she wanted to improve ties with us. So I suspect Germany will become a strong ally of ours in the years to come.
Quote by Calm2Chaos: But I think we as a nation are aimed more towards allowing or helping others to guide themselves, as oppossed to occupying and conquering nations for expansion. The same people that despise the US such as Timmy, will always despise it. They will always look to it's faults and misteps, as posed to anything good that may come from our actions.
But when we see the US use is vastly superior power, to bully, to break laws with impunity, to invade countries for their own gain - we don't really like that.
M14 Shooter said:When the US starts doing that - let us know.
Brigand said:Actually, when you shift your attention, momentarily, from the sights of your assault weapon, you may catch a glimspe of it.
M14 Shooter said:Really.
So, what, exactly, have we "gained" or did we intend to "gain" by going to war in Iraq?
Herophant said:Regardless of the American motives, I would argue that the fact that they are questioned to such a large degree is an indication of American problems.
M14 Shooter said:The argument revolves around the US acting for it "own gain":
But when we see the US use is vastly superior power, to bully, to break laws with impunity, to invade countries for their own gain
If you can't show the "gain" that was imagined, intended or realized, the argument is negated.
Herophant said:This thread is about the world order and the role of the USA in it in the future.
It’s not about the Iraq war; please make another thread if you want to argue that question.
M14 Shooter said:Really.
So, what, exactly, have we "gained" or did we intend to "gain" by going to war in Iraq?
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