The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

[Paradoxical]

No, it's not like that at all.

Yes. It is.

 

[Conservative]

What does China have to do with anything in this thread? Just another diversion by you when you're painted into a corner. Zero points for you, checkmate for EL!

Claims have been made that the U.S. leads the world in deaths, there is no way of proving that to be accurate and you know it

 

[Paradoxical]

ROFLMAO, you call information that has China with so few deaths as reliable data? What is it about liberalism that creates these kind of responses? The overwhelming response hasn't been as negative as you want to believe as your state and liberal states have been indoctrinated into believing rhetoric for corrupt bureaucrats who use people like you for their own personal gains. what I don't understand is what created people who always blame someone else for poor consequences from personal choice issues? I learned from my parents, who did you learn from?

I think they also believe what North Korea says and Iran.

 

[Conservative]

Why do you keep mentioning China? I specifically said I don't count China because I don't trust their numbers. That said, remember that they actually had a government mandated shut down where the government shut everything down. I doubt their numbers because I suspect there was more spread than they reported. You are the only one here mentioning China's stats and even worse, claiming I believe them when I said I didn't. This is just another one of your deflections because you can't actually speak to the current US data in relation to world data.

then how do you know the U.S. leads the world in Covid19 deaths as the stats are skewed without official and valid Chinese numbers

 

[Paradoxical]

Claims have been made that the U.S. leads the world in deaths, there is no way of proving that to be accurate and you know it

China lies almost as much as the DNC and CNN.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Fausti said that it would take about 8 weeks to bend the curve. He is a certified moron.

Interesting that after the peak in the east coast and restrictions were put into place there was a flattening of the curve in those regions, no? The same goes for other parts of the world that did the same. One is left to wonder what would have happened across the country if everyone followed the same steps throughout the summer. If he is the "moron", I'm not sure where that leaves the comments you have made and those who claimed the pandemic was under control and would magically disappear in April.

Why you folks like him so much s completely beyond me. He is as stupid as AOC.

Ok, I see you've run out of gas and now just have nothing but ad hominem attacks left.

 

[ElChupacabra]

then how do you know the U.S. leads the world in Covid19 deaths as the stats are skewed without official and valid Chinese numbers

Ok, it appears you need the kind of clarification I thought would be obvious: the US leads the world in COVID 19 deaths based on current data, assuming China's data in this category is inaccurate. It is funny you harp on this rather than what we know from the reliable data.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yes. It is.

Well, given your history of flawed premises....sure...it is.

 

[Conservative]

Ok, it appears you need the kind of clarification I thought would be obvious: the US leads the world in COVID 19 deaths based on current data, assuming China's data in this category is inaccurate. It is funny you harp on this rather than what we know from the reliable data.

Based upon current data leaving out a country where the virus was allegedly started and a country with over billion people isn't a statistic that has any credibility but is one that you use for supposed liberal gains as if that matters now. your party won the election and now the States of NY and California which gave Biden the popular vote win are facing voter backlash from their corrupt politicians that have been in power for years, too little too late which is a typical liberal result. You buy rhetoric and pay for the results later which you will be doing for the next four years.

 

[ElChupacabra]

ROFLMAO, you call information that has China with so few deaths as reliable data?

That data is aggregated from what each country's CDC is reported, so the Chinese data can be taken at face value, and why I don't count it. I would expect Chinese numbers to be higher, but since they made a concerted effort to suppress information about the disease early on, it's hard to know what the real numbers are. I question India's number as well, but not for the political motivations of the Chinese, but because of unreported deaths.

That said, we can only go off the data which is currently available, and based on that the US has the highest death toll.

What is it about liberalism that creates these kind of responses?

It has nothing to do with liberalism.

The overwhelming response hasn't been as negative as you want to believe as your state and liberal states have been indoctrinated into believing rhetoric for corrupt bureaucrats who use people like you for their own personal gains. what I don't understand is what created people who always blame someone else for poor consequences from personal choice issues? I learned from my parents, who did you learn from?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Based upon current data leaving out a country where the virus was allegedly started and a country with over billion people isn't a statistic that has any credibility but is one that you use for supposed liberal gains as if that matters now.

I'm not using it at all, let alone for political gain. I simply don't use it because it is an unknown, so to assume what that number might mean doesn't make sense from a data perspective.

your party won the election and now the States of NY and California which gave Biden the popular vote win are facing voter backlash from their corrupt politicians that have been in power for years, too little too late which is a typical liberal result. You buy rhetoric and pay for the results later which you will be doing for the next four years.

 

[Conservative]

That data is aggregated from what each country's CDC is reported, so the Chinese data can be taken at face value, and why I don't count it. I would expect Chinese numbers to be higher, but since they made a concerted effort to suppress information about the disease early on, it's hard to know what the real numbers are. I question India's number as well, but not for the political motivations of the Chinese, but because of unreported deaths.

That said, we can only go off the data which is currently available, and based on that the US has the highest death toll.



It has nothing to do with liberalism.

The data lacks credibility and context as I have pointed out over and over again but that doesn't stop people like you from making it political. I stand by my post that you are a partisan, never voted for Trump, never believe a word Trump said in the past and only want the rhetoric for personal political gain now, well, guess what, you want, you have the WH now what? Will results actually matter? does the crisis at the border matter in NJ? How about Green energy in NJ? How about again the minimum wage issue which you still cannot justify why it needs federal involvement when the states have that authority to raise it just like your state did. Interesting how cost of living never factors into anything in that liberal world of yours and it is always someone else's fault for poor personal choices

 

[Paradoxical]

Interesting that after the peak in the east coast and restrictions were put into place there was a flattening of the curve in those regions, no? The same goes for other parts of the world that did the same. One is left to wonder what would have happened across the country if everyone followed the same steps throughout the summer. If he is the "moron", I'm not sure where that leaves the comments you have made and those who claimed the pandemic was under control and would magically disappear in April.



Ok, I see you've run out of gas and now just have nothing but ad hominem attacks left.

He is supposed to be the great doctor who said this would be over in 8 weeks. That was a year ago.

 

[Paradoxical]

Well, given your history of flawed premises....sure...it is.

I made ONE prediction and you idiot Fausti several and all wrong ad yet you worship the ground he walks on. I don't get the disconnect.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Look, do you listen to the President of the United States on personal responsibility issues?? If you do then that is your problem not anyone else's.

As for Trump seems that all you can do is divert from the good things he did and accomplished to focus on your perceived shortcomings. I choose to focus on the good, job creation, economic dollar growth, historic low minority unemployment, America first economic and foreign policies, strength through action not rhetoric. You can deny and focus like most liberals on how Trump is responsible for the Covid19 results while ignoring that he didn't have the authority to do what you wanted him to do. Your party won the election so is there ever going to be a time when you focus on results instead of feel good rhetoric? Do you support Biden's economic and foreign policies, if so why and how do Americans benefit? How does a $15 minimum wage put 10 million Americans back to work? What does a green energy program do to the fossil fuel after market? tell me exactly who economic shutdowns benefit?

Are you finally willing to admit that Trump and Trumpco are responsible for their words and deeds?
or no?

 

[Nickyjo]

By all means keep ignoring that there wouldn't even be a vaccine where it not for Trump, that is reality and why people like you don't have any credibility. What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

Really? No other president would have supported development of a vaccine? It's like saying there wouldn't have been a response to Pearl Harbor if it wasn't for FDR, or a response to 9/11 were it not for W.

Liberalism created humane working conditions, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, environmental protections, anti-discrimination laws, and the ACA, among other things. That creates loyalty. What is it about a proven crook like Trump that creates your kind of loyalty?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

By all means keep ignoring that there wouldn't even be a vaccine where it not for Trump, that is reality and why people like you don't have any credibility. What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

Really? No other president would have supported development of a vaccine? It's like saying there wouldn't have been a response to Pearl Harbor if it wasn't for FDR, or a response to 9/11 were it not for W.

Maybe Conservative is telling us to be grateful Trump deigned to allow a vaccine to be made instead of obstructing the process.

 

[jakiejakester]

ROFLMAO, you call information that has China with so few deaths as reliable data?

Your outrageously poor reading comprehension skills are truly amazing. EL NEVER wrote that he considers the Chinese data reliable. NEVER. More importantly, what does China data have to do with anything? Your poor skill at deflecting to any other subject when you've lost the debate is always fun to watch because, perhaps unwittingly you're unaware of how everyone realizes that you've conceded and you have nothing to rebut hence the deflection.

 

[jakiejakester]

Claims have been made that the U.S. leads the world in deaths, there is no way of proving that to be accurate and you know it

This qualifies as one of the most ridiculous arguments ever made in this or any thread. You're really trying to say that the US does not have more Covid deaths than anywhere else, really? If the sad fact wasn't that 546K Americans are dead I would think your reply is quite funny but there's no escaping the incredibly poor way Trump handled the pandemic that has put the US in the dubious position of first in the world. The even sadder fact is that you don't think that our total deaths is a big deal because we have 330M people. You've notoriously accepted 540K as acceptable, OK, not bad and too bad.

The reality that your lack of feelings about your fellow Americans has never been starker, sadder and out of touch with humanity. It's like you think all of these are "collateral damage" that happens in a "free society." You prove it in so many posts suggesting that most deaths are from people over 65 as that matters - they don't count because they were older.

A definition from Google about people who don't care when someone dies:

"Simply state, he said "I don't care when people die". You don't have to cry/whatever but you have to at least feel or know you lost someone who's important to you where you actually "care" but you might not show emotions. If not, you might want to seek help, because you might have a condition."

 

[jakiejakester]

The data lacks credibility and context as I have pointed out over and over again but that doesn't stop people like you from making it political. I stand by my post that you are a partisan, never voted for Trump, never believe a word Trump said in the past and only want the rhetoric for personal political gain now, well, guess what, you want, you have the WH now what? Will results actually matter? does the crisis at the border matter in NJ? How about Green energy in NJ? How about again the minimum wage issue which you still cannot justify why it needs federal involvement when the states have that authority to raise it just like your state did. Interesting how cost of living never factors into anything in that liberal world of yours and it is always someone else's fault for poor personal choices

Completely irrelevant to anything that EL posted or this thread...

 

[calamity]

The danger of opening up too soon.

Italy prepares for an Easter lockdown as Covid-19 cases grow exponentially | CNN

Italy is facing another national lockdown over Easter, as the government attempts to reign in a recent surge of coronavirus cases, marred by the presence of new variants.

www.cnn.com

 

[minnie616]

Not having that data gives you no certainty, and the 80% you're citing I'll assume are the antigen (rapid) tests among asymptomatic people. The best test for anyone to take are the PCR tests. As for the severity of the infections, that's not relevant in using the number of cases as an indicator of spread efficacy. The times I and my family have been tested, we have used the PCR tests because of the better accuracy.

Infections data is not a red herring because without it you would not have a metric to determine the relational aspect of infection/hospitalization and infection/death data.

I agree.
The PCR tests are very accurate when testing positive tests.
If one tests positive with a PCR test it means the virus is present.

The rapid tests may have a false positive But——-

Data of Rapid tests is not used for Covid Act Now ,John Hopkins , Worldmeter Coronavirus, or other state data sites.

The number of Active tests are only active PCR tests.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The data lacks credibility and context as I have pointed out over and over again but that doesn't stop people like you from making it political.

As it relates to the data, nothing I have said is political. Thus far you've spent a bit of time shucking and jiving; with this latest ploy focused around the accuracy of the data which you had no issue citing before.

I stand by my post that you are a partisan, never voted for Trump, never believe a word Trump said in the past and only want the rhetoric for personal political gain now, well, guess what, you want, you have the WH now what?

Except I have not once mentioned conservatism, or red states as the basis of my argument. The only time I have brought them up is to contextualize the data you cite and the comments you make which have been exclusively centered on blue states and have been political in nature. I don't see pandemics as a political issue, but this time around they have been, and specifically because the previous administration politicized it.

Will results actually matter?

Yes.

does the crisis at the border matter in NJ?

Sure. Migrants travel all over the country. I live in a large immigrant community, so there's a good many of them will head this way.

How about Green energy in NJ?

What about it?

How about again the minimum wage issue which you still cannot justify why it needs federal involvement when the states have that authority to raise it just like your state did. Interesting how cost of living never factors into anything in that liberal world of yours and it is always someone else's fault for poor personal choices

I don't need to justify it because it is within the Federal government's purview.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I made ONE prediction and you idiot Fausti several and all wrong ad yet you worship the ground he walks on. I don't get the disconnect.

Well it's not just the one prediction but many of the other theories you've posited throughout the pandemic. I don't worship anyone, so the disconnect you seem to be confusing here is many not giving you much credibility because of your flawed premises.

 

[ElChupacabra]

He is supposed to be the great doctor who said this would be over in 8 weeks. That was a year ago.

There have been flattening of initial spikes. What we have seen are new spikes when restrictions are eased. In this country the initial spikes in the east coast and in Washington state ended in early spring and the curve was flattened through most of the fall. In the states that chose to ease restrictions early is where we saw what was their first spikes, and there were varying degrees of success flattening the curve mainly due to policy decisions.