The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

[ElChupacabra]

Just responding to those, like you, who seem to be blaming our Covid problems on blue cities. Repubs can have difficulty managing it too, because it's not a political issue.

Yeah, it's a bit comical for him to claim anyone else is making this a "red/blue" issue when he has framed it in that context throughout this thread.

 

[Tbird19482]

Cute story what does that have to do with someone else telling you what to pay employees and what wage did you actually pay the employees and why? I just gave you both sides of the minimum wage story and accurately pointed out that states and cities have the authority to determine their own minimum wage yet for some reason you want the Federal Gov't to dictate it, why? What does the federal gov't know that your city and state doesn't know

Minimum Wage: Inalienable Right or Economic Blight? — Divided We Fall

For one thing if there wasn't a min.wage people like YOU would not only try but do everything they could to make sure who ever they have working for them isn't paid anything over a slave wage,
people like you would have people in this country working for 50 cents or less an hour because that is what they pay in China
that is why we need a min wage and we need a national min. wage to cover the states that do not have one and the
Min wage is to protect people working for a living from cheap people like you that want a person to work for them for slave wages and to make sure we do not end up like China with people working 70/80/90/hours a week and still living in poverty
as of right now even our min wage doesn't pay people enough to live above the poverty level
Have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

Have you contacted you congressperson and Governor about this?



This is a rather daft statement. You make it seem as if data and its analysis can only be made at the state and local level. What allows for good decisions is ensuring those who are making them have all the data and understand the problems.

Of course not as I have no problem with the market setting the wages so why would I care about something that I don't control?

What is daft is the reality that you have freedom of choice in this country but now you also want freedom from poor choices and consequences of those choices. Your state has a current minimum wage of 12.50 so why is this even an issue in mine or any other state? Did the Federal gov't raise your minimum wage and forget the rest of the country?

 

[Tbird19482]

No nor do most adults in this country but keep ignoring the reality that it is the market that should be setting the wage not a bureaucrat. Also keep ignoring that your city and state has its own minimum wage without "help" from the federal bureaucrats. So we have 2.3 million Americans out of a labor force of 160 million making minimum wage and that number represents a little over 2% of the hourly employees in this country. Why is it city and states operate under the federal minimum wage, don't they want their employees to prosper? the fact that you buy rhetoric and ignore reality is stunning, your city and your state can set whatever minimum wage the public will buy yet that isn't good enough for you, why? the current NYC minimum wage is 12.50 per hour so stop being a contrarian and accept the reality that you are nothing more than a big gov't liberal out of touch with reality

You make a statement that the market should be setting the wage not Bureaucrats, well yes IF it is a skilled trade or something like doctors lawyers and so on
But for somebody working bagging stuff at Walmart it isn't good because if they could they would pay them as little as possible, as it is now there are people working as many hours as Walmart will give them and still having to get food stamps in order to live
Have a nice afternoon

 

[Conservative]

For one thing if there wasn't a min.wage people like YOU would not only try but do everything they could to make sure who ever they have working for them isn't paid anything over a slave wage,
people like you would have people in this country working for 50 cents or less an hour because that is what they pay in China
that is why we need a min wage and we need a national min. wage to cover the states that do not have one and the
Min wage is to protect people working for a living from cheap people like you that want a person to work for them for slave wages and to make sure we do not end up like China with people working 70/80/90/hours a week and still living in poverty
as of right now even our min wage doesn't pay people enough to live above the poverty level
Have a nice day

Right, I paid cashers over $14 an hour in Columbus Ohio where the minimum wage was in place and was the federal minimum wage, why? You have no idea what you are talking about as usual.

So tell me why are the people in communities all over the country so heartless while bureaucrats in DC are the only ones that truly care according to you? Minimum wages are set by the state and community so why is this a federal responsibility? Oh by the way what is your minimum wage in your state? Did the Federal Gov't raise it there and forget the rest of the nation?

 

[Conservative]

You make a statement that the market should be setting the wage not Bureaucrats, well yes IF it is a skilled trade or something like doctors lawyers and so on
But for somebody working bagging stuff at Walmart it isn't good because if they could they would pay them as little as possible, as it is now there are people working as many hours as Walmart will give them and still having to get food stamps in order to live
Have a nice afternoon

Typical liberal rhetoric ignoring reality, you have no idea what other people make nor do you care as this is all about trying to convince people that you care, even if you do you have no control over what others do. You want a higher minimum wage petition your local gov't to raise it. AS for Walmart you have no idea what they even pay their workers but buy the liberal rhetoric which is why you have no credibility

 

[Ethel2]

People accepting personal responsibility, if you do what you are supposed to do why does it matter what anyone else does? You keep buying the liberal scare tactics ignoring who really benefits from those tactics, your state and local gov't as people become dependent

When conservatives like you begin to accept their fair share of SOCIAL responsibility then this country can move past the warped principles the jackass infected us with.

 

[Conservative]

For one thing if there wasn't a min.wage people like YOU would not only try but do everything they could to make sure who ever they have working for them isn't paid anything over a slave wage,
people like you would have people in this country working for 50 cents or less an hour because that is what they pay in China
that is why we need a min wage and we need a national min. wage to cover the states that do not have one and the
Min wage is to protect people working for a living from cheap people like you that want a person to work for them for slave wages and to make sure we do not end up like China with people working 70/80/90/hours a week and still living in poverty
as of right now even our min wage doesn't pay people enough to live above the poverty level
Have a nice day

oh, by the way people go into business to make a profit not to hire you so that you can tell them what they should be paid. You symbolize what is wrong with this country today the entitlement mentality where you are entitled to whatever wage you want regardless of what the small business owner makes. You are part of the problem not part of the solution. Stunning how you make a mountain out of a mole hill by thinking solely with your heart and not the brain

 

[Conservative]

When conservatives like you begin to accept their fair share of SOCIAL responsibility then this country can move past the principle the jackass infected us with.

So you are an expert on social responsibility? where did you develop that skill? Why is it so important for you having me do what you think is socially responsible when you only control your own activities? If you do what you are supposed to do why does it matter what I do? You don't want the virus, stay home, wear a mask, social distance, problem solved!!

 

[ElChupacabra]

Of course not as I have no problem with the market setting the wages so why would I care about something that I don't control?

I mean contacting your governor/congressperson to prevent the federal government from setting the minimum wage in your state.

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What is daft is the reality that you have freedom of choice in this country but now you also want freedom from poor choices and consequences of those choices.

This doesn't say anything regarding the now new topic of the minimum wage. You repeat this in a debate of just about anything.

Your state has a current minimum wage of 12.50 so why is this even an issue in mine or any other state?

With the proposed legislation it will reach $15 by 2025, so yay for those in those wage ranges.

Did the Federal gov't raise your minimum wage and forget the rest of the country?

Nope. New Jersey like other states, raised its own minimum wage from the Federal minimum. What this is an increase to that minimum.

 

[Citizen]

Take your "cases" and shove them. They don't mean anything. They just mean someone tested positive and were sent home with the sniffles.

Is that way the hospitals were overwhelmed

 

[minnie616]

You really have no idea what taxes you pay or their purpose so tell me why this is a federal issue when your state controls wages? Why don't you eliminate leadership that refuses to give your teachers a pay raise?

Michigan has a formula that uses State and Federal taxes to pay per pupil funding and teacher pay comes out that.

The pay is based on the education the teacher has, the number of years they taught and if they take on additional extracurricular activivites such as coaching, cheer leading, marching band etc.

Michigan’s residents cannot change the formula without a State wide vote.

See:

https://www.senate.michigan.gov/sfa/departments/datacharts/dck12_schoolfundingbasics.pdf

 

[Conservative]

I mean contacting your governor/congressperson to prevent the federal government from setting the minimum wage in your state.

Since it hasn't been done no need to contact anyone

This doesn't say anything regarding the now new topic of the minimum wage. You repeat this in a debate of just about anything.

I am waiting for you to explain why the Federal Gov't set your minimum wage at 12.50 per hour and didn't tell other states?

With the proposed legislation it will reach $15 by 2025, so yay for those in those wage ranges.

Not a problem for us as we love getting new taxpayers moving here for NJ. It is quite interesting that your 12.50 per hour obviously ignores the much higher state and local taxes paid in your state. Doesn't appear that people appreciate what they have in NJ as they are fleeing the state of

Nope. New Jersey like other states, raised its own minimum wage from the Federal minimum. What this is an increase to that minimum.

So the state raised the minimum wage? Gee wonder why since the federal gov't didn't mandate it. Guess 29 or so other states made the same decision

 

[Montgomery]

I mean contacting your governor/congressperson to prevent the federal government from setting the minimum wage in your state.

[

This doesn't say anything regarding the now new topic of the minimum wage. You repeat this in a debate of just about anything.



With the proposed legislation it will reach $15 by 2025, so yay for those in those wage ranges.



Nope. New Jersey like other states, raised its own minimum wage from the Federal minimum. What this is an increase to that minimum.

Could he be stupid enough to not understand that one individual can't stay home and wear his mask and that will stop a deadly communicable disease?
No, this one does understand, even though it's likely that half of the Trumpers don't.

 

[Conservative]

Michigan has a formula that uses State and Federal taxes to pay per pupil funding and teacher pay comes out that.

The pay is based on the education the teacher has, the number of years they taught and if they take on additional extracurricular activivites such as coaching, cheer leading, marching band etc.

Michigan’s residents cannot change the formula without a State wide vote.

then show us how much the teacher salaries come from federal taxes? What is it about people like you who cannot admit when wrong. Do you understand state wide vote means that the states control wages?

 

[Conservative]

Could he be stupid enough to not understand that one individual can't stay home and wear his mask and that will stop a deadly communicable disease?
No, this one does understand, even though it's likely that half of the Trumpers don't.

it will prevent you from getting the disease and that is what you control. Stop trying to control others as it doesn't affect you and your family. Stunning how we are a country of 330,000,000 million with 500,000 deaths and that is a disaster according to the left, any idea who really is benefiting from the virus? Your total bias and partisanship are exactly what the left wants as they are making a fool out of you. As of today 0ver 300,000,000 million Americans don't have the disease or never had the disease and according to you that is a disaster but not to the millions who take control of their own lives. What you want to ignore is that you promote personal choice but ignore that with choice comes consequences good or bad.

 

[minnie616]

....

The among per pupil funding for most counties in 2019-2020 was 8,111 but some districts were as high as

michigan school district per pupil funding - Google Search

www.google.com

The school taxes earmarked were estimated on


Sales Tax
Use Tax
Tobacco Taxes
State Education Tax (6 mills)
Real Estate Transfer Tax
Industrial Facilities Tax
Income Tax
And
Lottery Casino Tax

 

[Montgomery]

it will prevent you from getting the disease and that is what you control. Stop trying to control others as it doesn't affect you and your family. Stunning how we are a country of 330,000,000 million with 500,000 deaths and that is a disaster according to the left, any idea who really is benefiting from the virus? Your total bias and partisanship are exactly what the left wants as they are making a fool out of you. As of today 0ver 300,000,000 million Americans don't have the disease or never had the disease and according to you that is a disaster but not to the millions who take control of their own lives. What you want to ignore is that you promote personal choice but ignore that with choice comes consequences good or bad.

Who is it that's benefiting from the virus?

You may have hit on something on which we could find some common ground.
I'm not in agreement with most of your points but that's just our opposite politics that can never be debated to conclusion. I'm a Canadian who can sometimes see right through America's left/right divide.

 

[Conservative]

The among per pupil funding for most counties in 2019-2020 was 8,111 but some districts were as high as 10,427.


2019-20. Foundation. Per Pupil. 01010 Alcona Community Schools. 8,111. 02010
AuTrain-Onota Public Schools. 8,141. 02020
Burt Township School District. 10,427. 02020

All you are proving is that there are different costs for different districts but all are controlled by that district in conjunction with the state and that is the point, there is no reason for the federal gov't to ever get involved in wages as the states have that authority

 

[Conservative]

Who is it that's benefiting from the virus?

You may have hit on something on which we could find some common ground.
I'm not in agreement with most of your points but that's just our opposite politics that can never be debated to conclusion. I'm a Canadian who can sometimes see right through America's left/right divide.

In your country there is a lot of misunderstanding of our Constitution and the fact that we have a 10th amendment in that Constitution. The more dependent the people get on any form of gov't the less incentive plays a role in their activities. The federal gov't paying for personal responsibility issues is an example, for if the federal taxpayers will do it why should the individual?

 

[Paradoxical]

Is that way the hospitals were overwhelmed

Yeah. So overwhelmed, Cuomo refused a naval hospital ship.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Since it hasn't been done no need to contact anyone

Did you in 2009?

I am waiting for you to explain why the Federal Gov't set your minimum wage at 12.50 per hour and didn't tell other states?

You're trying to make a rather silly point. It seems you think that because other states have raised their minimum wages it means a minimum wage isn't needed. In the case of states that have minimum wages below the Federal rate, it allows for workers to make more provided their jobs are eligible.

Not a problem for us as we love getting new taxpayers moving here for NJ. It is quite interesting that your 12.50 per hour obviously ignores the much higher state and local taxes paid in your state. Doesn't appear that people appreciate what they have in NJ as they are fleeing the state of

That's great, enjoy! Freedom of movement is a great thing in this country. Of course you over simplify why people move and assume everyone is fleeing. I am happy you are happy with all of the new transplants, and will be just as happy as they drive the political power in a different direction as they continue to move into the urban centers. That has been the trend in places where you have this kind of migration, we shall see how these impacts play out over time.

So the state raised the minimum wage? Gee wonder why since the federal gov't didn't mandate it. Guess 29 or so other states made the same decision

Yep, it's how the law works. The Federal government sets the minimum and the state can adjust accordingly, but the bottom line is there is a minimum from which to adjust according to need.

 

[jakiejakester]

Then you didn't watch the Mike Douglas video because none of that was in there. You keep buying the liberal rhetoric and ignoring the liberal results as you claim you really care about others when the reality is no you just want people to think that is the case. You control what you can control and that is all you can do

I 100% watched the video but unlike you my intellectual curiosity led me to check out the organization and when I did I discovered that they're a liberal non-profit who are trying to make changes in voting at the grassroots level. Those changes are what I outlined before. You simply watched the video out of context and posted it. I've shown you what their aim is because I was surprised after all the conspiracy theories you espouse about the election and mail-in ballots that you would sing their praises. It was an interesting video that I agree with and I especially agree with the changes they're promoting. The ironic thing is you agree with their video only because you misunderstood their context. Maybe you'd be better off next time checking out the organization that posted a video to better understand its meaning?

It's like the other day when as a joke I posted a "story" from The Onion and you took it literally and attacked me for it but it was a joke and if you had taken a moment to look at their website you probably would have figured out that it was a joke.

I guess in both instances the jokes on you but neither were intended to do that to you. You simply neglected to understand what you posted and what it meant. It did make me smile.

 

[minnie616]

The among per pupil funding for most counties in 2019-2020 was 8,111 but some districts were as high as

michigan school district per pupil funding - Google Search

www.google.com

The school taxes earmarked were estimated on


Sales Tax
Use Tax
Tobacco Taxes
State Education Tax (6 mills)
Real Estate Transfer Tax
Industrial Facilities Tax
Income Tax
And
Lottery Casino Tax

All you are proving is that there are different costs for different districts but all are controlled by that district in conjunction with the state and that is the point, there is no reason for the federal gov't to ever get involved in wages as the states have that authority

You didn’t even look at the link most ( over 90 percent of districts got 8,111 per student whether the district is rich or poor, whether they have have major businesses or no businesses in the district.

Schools get most of their revenues from the state's per-student foundation grant, which was a minimum of $7,511 in 2016-17. But they also get revenues from intermediate school districts, targeted state dollars and federal monies for special education and Title I programs.

The $10,209 includes all expenditures from districts' operating budget, which funds day-to-day school operations, but not most capital expenses.

 

[Conservative]

"ElChupacabra, post: 1073619926, member: 32739"]
Did you in 2009?

Never affected me or my 1200 employees as I paid what the market would allow and it wasn't 7.25 per hour. You cannot seem to grasp the role competition plays in wages

You're trying to make a rather silly point. It seems you think that because other states have raised their minimum wages it means a minimum wage isn't needed. In the case of states that have minimum wages below the Federal rate, it allows for workers to make more provided their jobs are eligible.

When you say that a raise in minimum wage is needed, what makes you think that and why is your opinion better than those living in the community? Your minimum wage is higher as it needs to fund the high cost of living in NJ which isn't the case in TX so you manage your state and stop worrying about mine

That's great, enjoy! Freedom of movement is a great thing in this country. Of course you over simplify why people move and assume everyone is fleeing. I am happy you are happy with all of the new transplants, and will be just as happy as they drive the political power in a different direction as they continue to move into the urban centers. That has been the trend in places where you have this kind of migration, we shall see how these impacts play out over time.

And liberal ignorance is bliss, nothing negative ever comes out of liberal social engineering and telling someone else what to pay their workers. Any idea what the tax rates are in your state vs. TX? TX has no state income taxes what is yours?

Yep, it's how the law works. The Federal government sets the minimum and the state can adjust accordingly, but the bottom line is there is a minimum from which to adjust according to need.

So the federal gov't set yours at 12.50 per hour and forgot to tell other states? Cost of living never factors into liberal rhetoric does it?