The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

[minnie616]

...What is the top industry in Detroit

GM is going to all Electric vehicles.

 

[jakiejakester]

Government created and funded? You bet

So now you're on record as being against a clean environment. I'm not sure I've never met anyone who would admit that. That's a unique answer that I think less than 10% of Americans would align with. What reason would anyone have about building new technologies that make our lives better, safer, cleaner and that will provide millions of jobs? You railed against losing 1000 jobs on a pipeline. True colors I guess.

 

[minnie616]

But why do it in secret?

Who knows why ? Maybe he was obsessed by something else like planning his red carpet, 21 gun salute , departure from the WH.

 

[Conservative]

GM is going to all Electric vehicles.

Awesome 2035, right around the corner

 

[Conservative]

So now you're on record as being against a clean environment. I'm not sure I've never met anyone who would admit that. That's a unique answer that I think less than 10% of Americans would align with. What reason would anyone have about building new technologies that make our lives better, safer, cleaner and that will provide millions of jobs? You railed against losing 1000 jobs on a pipeline. True colors I guess.

Government generated and funded, you bet

 

[jakiejakester]

Government generated and funded, you bet

What makes you think it will be all government funded? It will almost all private industry. Creating incentives / tax breaks for the energy industry is nothing new and very common. Why is giving money to Exxon OK but investing in green energy companies not OK? What possible reason is there?

Were you against the Apollo program too? Don't you want your children and grandchildren to live in a cleaner, healthier world or do you not care?

I want my kids and grandkids to live in a modern, green energy world. Who wouldn't want that?

 

[ElChupacabra]

You really are very naive

Aw, bless.

 

[minnie616]

Awesome 2035, right around the corner

Actually, General Motors said it would spend $27 billion to offer 30 electric models globally by 2025.

 

[Conservative]

Actually, General Motors said it would spend $27 billion to offer 30 electric models globally by 2025.

Good for them, keep the taxpayers out of this venture. Still haven't answered the question about infrastructure funding

 

[Rawley]

All things being equal, what difference does it make how a person votes if the methods available are safe and auditable? This is as absurd as claiming people who choose ATMs are too lazy to talk to a teller. That's border line Luddite thinking.

Bad analogy. My debit card acts as my voter ID to insure to the system that I am who I am. HR1 bans voter !D. Don't see how anyone can say that ban makes anyone safer or the elections more secure.

 

[P_T]

Cuomo Aides Rewrote Nursing Home Report to Hide Higher Death Toll (msn.com)

Reason these ****s have to go !

 

[P_T]

Because Democrats largely voted by mail. It's really not hard to understand. I mean, I get it: the horse you bet on is in the lead until he's pipped at the end by the other horse. There's always a reason why this happens, and in this case it's because of the reason I stated, which was common knowledge. Why were Democrats voting by mail? COVID 19. Now we're back on topic.

My point to make is elderly, why would the elderly voter ever go in his walker up the steps to the Guberming building to vote ever again ? Why should he have to. Trump was beat because all those Millions did not have to walk up all those steps to vote and why should they have to. **** the Politicians who think everyone is physically equal !

 

[minnie616]

Good for them, keep the taxpayers out of this venture. Still haven't answered the question about infrastructure funding

Michigan will not be relying on Texas fossil fuel to fund the infrastructure.

 

[minnie616]

Good ...

LOL

The end of gasoline cars and hiways filled with Electric Vehicles will be here a lot sooner than you think.

Count on it.

born to be wild

 

[Conservative]

Michigan will not be relying on Texas fossil fuel to fund the infrastructure.

Texas doesn't fund anything, the taxpayers do when they purchase gasoline paying excise taxes. Green energy users don't pay excise taxes so how are your highways funded?

 

[Conservative]

LOL

The end of gasoline cars and hiways filled with Electric Vehicles will be here a lot sooner than you think.

Count on it.

Do you people ever admit when wrong? This is a problem with liberalism and so called people who cannot even admit they are liberal. Facts don't support the call for electric cars nor does the reality that millions and millions of Americans are employed by the fossil fuel market and after market. Wonder if those 234,000 people in Detroit that voted for Biden realize this? I can see you sure don't

Keep showing how little compassion you really have for people who rely on fossil fuel to take care of their family

IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE! (But don't worry, states will come up with new ways to tax these vehicles.)


In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:


Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first discussion I've seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet these vehicles are being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

 

[minnie616]

Texas doesn't fund anything, the taxpayers do when they purchase gasoline paying excise taxes. Green energy users don't pay excise taxes so how are your highways funded

a small portion is funded by gas taxes but most of the funding comes from vehicle registration ( people who buy expensive cars (or cars that used to be expensive) pay a higher registration fee than those who buy less expensive cars. ) and personalized , historical, collector or special order plates for cars.

Yes,Michigan's does have vehicle registration fees for electric and hybrid vehicles.
( One of our daughters has and Electric Car and another daughter has a hybrid car.)

( my husband has collector plates for his oldies car collection )

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www.michigan.gov

 

[ElChupacabra]

Bad analogy. My debit card acts as my voter ID to insure to the system that I am who I am. HR1 bans voter !D. Don't see how anyone can say that ban makes anyone safer or the elections more secure.

The analogy was based on the common complaint that poster makes about people going to the polls versus those who don't; as if "getting off your couch" somehow quantifies that method as a better one just because people go to the polls.

 

[Conservative]

a small portion is funded by gas taxes but most of the funding comes from vehicle registration ( people who buy expensive cars (or cars that used to be expensive) pay a higher registration fee than those who buy less expensive cars. ) and personalized , historical, collector or special order plates for cars.

Yes,Michigan's does have vehicle registration fees for electric and hybrid vehicles.
( One of our daughters has and Electric Car and another daughter has a hybrid car.)

( my husband has collector plates for his oldies car collection )

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www.michigan.gov

that is absolutely INCORRECT, EXCISE taxes, both state and local are collected on every gallon of gasoline purchased, Cannot believe how poorly informed far too many people and how people like you buy rhetoric and never do any research, please find out what taxes you pay and their purpose

 

[minnie616]

Do you people ever admit when wrong? ....

Keep showing how little compassion you really have for people who rely on fossil fuel to take care of their family

Actually, 10 times as many people have Green jobs than who have fossil fuel jobs.

US green economy has 10 times more jobs than the fossil fuel industry

A wind farm worker in California The green economy has grown so much in the US that it employs around 10 times as many people as the fossil fuel industry – despite the past decade’s oil and gas boom. The fossil fuel sector, from coal mines to gas power plants, employed around 900,000 people in...

www.newscientist.com

 

[Conservative]

The analogy was based on the common complaint that poster makes about people going to the polls versus those who don't; as if "getting off your couch" somehow quantifies that method as a better one just because people go to the polls.

That analogy is based upon logic and common sense as well as understanding that democracy isn't easy as you want to make it out to be. Going to the polls is the civic duty of every American and when you minimize that responsibility you end up destroying that which is most important, civil liberties and the private sector. Making voting easier than it is takes away personal responsibility from the individual and as is human nature destroys incentive and cheapens our democracy

 

[Luce]

OP aged well.

 

[Luce]

That analogy is based upon logic and common sense as well as understanding that democracy isn't easy as you want to make it out to be. Going to the polls is the civic duty of every American and when you minimize that responsibility you end up destroying that which is most important, civil liberties and the private sector. Making voting easier than it is takes away personal responsibility from the individual and as is human nature destroys incentive and cheapens our democracy

We're still doing vote by mail.

 

[Conservative]

Actually, 10 times as many people have Green jobs than who have fossil fuel jobs.

US green economy has 10 times more jobs than the fossil fuel industry

A wind farm worker in California The green economy has grown so much in the US that it employs around 10 times as many people as the fossil fuel industry – despite the past decade’s oil and gas boom. The fossil fuel sector, from coal mines to gas power plants, employed around 900,000 people in...

www.newscientist.com

tell that to the people of Detroit!! Why does anyone waste their time with liberals who believe they are experts on every subject and post opinion pieces to support that claim. When you look purely at the auto industry and not the after market you have zero credibility.

Such compassion you have for the workers in this country including your own states union employees

Economy | Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers (autoalliance.org)

• United States: employees in automotive industry by sector 2020 | Statista

 

[ElChupacabra]

That analogy is based upon logic and common sense as well as understanding that democracy isn't easy as you want to make it out to be.

The "logic and common sense" you seem to be implying flies in the face of how things have progressed in this country. If your idea is that things should be hard, then much of our advancements have been for naught; it's why I used the ATM reference. Applying your logic means we should do away with mailboxes because people should have to go to the post office if they really want to mail something. Maybe we need to go to the state IRS office to deliver our taxes too. It's an absurd premise.

Going to the polls is the civic duty of every American and when you minimize that responsibility you end up destroying that which is most important, civil liberties and the private sector. Making voting easier than it is takes away personal responsibility from the individual and as is human nature destroys incentive and cheapens our democracy

The civic duty is to vote, not the method by which you cast your ballot. After all, the results are what count in a representative democracy, not that you went to the polls or mailed in your ballot. How has making anything easier take away personal responsibility? The latter isn't defined by how easy something is to do, but by whether individuals are responsible enough to get it done.