The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

[Conservative]

As usual you deflect, Trump could have done plenty but I would be wasting my time trying to expain it to you because you don't have the common sense to understand. Secondly you know nothing about me, I voted for both Mccain and Romney for president, so does that make me a radical democratic supporter, I think not. You refuse to acknowledge that Trump isn't a conservative because you provide no facts to prove it. Updating a flawed document written in the 1700's is not childish, since it enshrined slavery. I'm not the one who needs to get a clue. You do.

Here we are over a year and after an election and still you are blaming Trump ignoring the liberal lies, ignoring personal responsibility issues. You got what you wanted now what? Don't know how anyone could have voted for Biden and Harris but apparently liberal rhetoric trumps economic and foreign policy rhetoric. You happy now??$15 an hour minimum wage is going to put 10 million Americans back to work? Green energy programs are going to put over 10 million Americans back to work? The Iran nuclear treaty is going to make America safer? You keep buying rhetoric and keep ignoring verifiable results. Cuomo facing legal action for lying but that is irrelevant to you. Newsome facing recall but that is irrelevant?

You tell me what isn't conservative about personal responsibility, tax cuts and promoting the private sector?

 

[Conservative]

It is also about life saving vaccinations.
Small pox vaccinations saved many lives.
( My aunt was a Frontier/mid wife nurse in the hills of Kentucky during the 1940s who also rode horseback to rural one room school houses to vaccinate the children in Kentucky against small pox )

Covid 19 vaccinations made available in a timely manner will also save many lives.

For those interested here is a little history about Frontier Nursing :

Frontier Nursing University History | Frontier Nursing University

Distance education from Frontier Nursing University, the birthplace of nurse-midwifery and family nursing in America.

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Didn't answer my question about personal responsibilities, personal choices and due process. What about people who refuse to get a vaccine? You blame the President for an issue that you control ignoring as I pointed out the vaccine was created within 9 months and distribution is under the control of the states. Seems it is easier to blame others than accept personal responsibilities. I got my first shot on January 6, three weeks after approval. Seems all the problems you claim could have been prevented by an active governor with good leadership skills

The left said the vaccine couldn't be created and approved within a year, they were wrong. The vaccine is being distributed and is FREE. People still have a choice whether or not to get it and millions won't, now what?

 

[Conservative]

He clearly stated he knew the pandemic was highly contagious and was deadly but then didn't communicate it as such. Him resonating with me has nothing to do with this.

You are right he should have initiated the scare tactics that the left continues to use today to scare the hell out of people and destroy their personal lives

 

[Conservative]

In the current GOP that might make you a RINO lover, which is just as bad. You either kiss the ring or you're out of the club.

And yet you cannot offer any valid reason to put Biden in the WH with Harris a heartbeat away, looks like liberals continue to buy rhetoric and ignore results. As I have pointed out and you continue to ignore the results don't match the rhetoric which is why I left the Democratic Party whereas people like you continue to buy the rhetoric. You "don't bite the hand that feeds you" is a very successful strategy created by the left to create career jobs and amass individual wealth appealing to the hearts of good people who have stopped thinking with their brain. What happens when incentive is destroyed?

 

[minnie616]

Of course I did, Trump got the vaccine created, the FDA approved it, and Abbott got it delivered, why didn't that happen in other states? Three weeks after approval of Moderna the vaccine arrived in TX

Actually , Texas ranks 48 out of 50 in getting the Covid 19 vaccine shots into arms.

from :
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/as...as-state-ranks-48th-in-covid-vaccination-rate

During his announcement, Gov. Abbott touted the number of vaccines the state has administered, over 5.9 million as of Tuesday, and that the state is averaging 1 million vaccinations per week.

However, according to the CDC, that number doesn't represent the vaccination rate, meaning doses administered per 100,000 residents.

By that metric, Texas ranks 48th overall as of Tuesday. Just under 2 million people, or 6.8% of the state's population, has received the two necessary doses of either the Moderna or Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

Michigan on the other hand has over 2 million doses of vaccine in peoples arms and according to Covid Act now Michigan has over given Covid 19 shots to over 14.9 percent of our population.

 

[jakiejakester]

You are right he should have initiated the scare tactics that the left continues to use today to scare the hell out of people and destroy their personal lives

And if Trump had how many hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved? You're lack of caring about anything except yourself and your money is clear to anyone who reads your posts.

How come anyone who disagrees with you is a "RADICAL"? Fortunately, your cynical point of view of America is in the minority and speaks to an America that is dying out (not due to Covid but due to unpopularity). Whether you like it or not Democrats now control Congress and the White House and it's our turn to set the agenda. If the GQP do not try to compromise and work with us the next step is to ditch the filibuster and allow for majority rule rather than the arcane process that the minority can control the agenda. BTW - if that means in the future when the GQP are in the majority so be it! I much prefer majority rule to this absurd system where nothing can get done.

Bye Bye filibuster - hello DEMOCRACY!

 

[jakiejakester]

And yet you cannot offer any valid reason to put Biden in the WH with Harris a heartbeat away, looks like liberals continue to buy rhetoric and ignore results. As I have pointed out and you continue to ignore the results don't match the rhetoric which is why I left the Democratic Party whereas people like you continue to buy the rhetoric. You "don't bite the hand that feeds you" is a very successful strategy created by the left to create career jobs and amass individual wealth appealing to the hearts of good people who have stopped thinking with their brain. What happens when incentive is destroyed?

I figured out how it's possible for you to make so many posts so quickly. It seems like you have about 5 canned responses that you simply cut and paste over and over and over again regardless of what the post you reply to contains. I'm sure you'll find an appropriate cut and paste for this posting...

 

[jakiejakester]

Actually , Texas ranks 48 out of 50 in getting the Covid 19 vaccine shots into arms.

from :
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/as...as-state-ranks-48th-in-covid-vaccination-rate

Thank you for posting this. It's shocking that a state with the resources of Texas should lag so far behind but when their infrastructure is a disaster to the point that millions of citizens lost power and water for an extended period of time due to their disbelief in government why would it surprise us that their government lacks the ability to protect it's people with the vaccine.

Needless to say their governor is not a stand-up kind of guy

 

[CaughtInThe]

this thread is like when Trump tells a like.

double down. triple down. quadruple down.

and that's just the beginning.

 

[minnie616]

Didn't answer my question about personal responsibilities, personal choices and due process. What about people who refuse to get a vaccine? ...

I take personal responsibility ,but I cannot get the vaccines out to the public and into people arms.

I do have a suggestion for incentives to encourage others to get vaccinated.
A monetary reward would help.


In fact Blue Cross will give members a $25 gift card for getting their flu shot or a pneumonia vaccine.

I am sure it saves the company hundreds of thousands dollars and keeps many from becoming hospital patients.

It is j a win , win proposal and one I highly recommend.

A Money reward is a great incentive and has been known to change peoples minds.

 

[Ethel2]

LOL, so the travel ban wasn't implemented which by the way was called what by Biden, States have not received the supplies requested or reimbursed for expenses incurred, CDC memos were never sent to the Health directors of the states? But you are right he should have used the scare tactics of the left to win an election as it worked so well for the blue states. So much hatred to divert from your own failures

Your biased, partisan views are typical liberal, casting blame and never accepting any responsibilities. You are indeed right however the symbol of a Democrat is accurate

What the jackass did FAILED. I am sort of a bottom line kind of guy. Since our country has just 4% of the worlds population and 20% of the worlds deaths I am going to assume he blew it. As Mitt Romney said, "there is no way to sugar coat that".
Now as for the travel ban-which pertained to China only-it was incomplete. Thousands of people entered the country AFTER the ban was put in place-and no one was required to quarantine. The ban should have been put in place for EVERY country and every legal resident here should have been required to quarantine for at least two weeks if they are returning home. In fact, we actually need a similar rule right now. The vaccines are soon going to bring down the case counts and the current variants seem at least partially susceptible to them. But its likely that more resistant variants will appear, perhaps in other countries, and we DO NOT need them here. Everyone entering the US should be required to have a negative Covid test or quarantine for two weeks, and that includes returning citizens, if we want to avoid more trouble.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You are right he should have initiated the scare tactics that the left continues to use today to scare the hell out of people and destroy their personal lives

It's not scare tactics that are scaring people and destroying lives, it's the virus. Properly warning people the threat it presents and how they can protect themselves is paramount in preventing deaths and prolonged impacts to the economy. It's clear Trump knew the risks and apparently chose to think about the impact to the economy first, without realizing that once a disease spreads everywhere, people are going to curb their activities and impact the economy anyway.

 

[ElChupacabra]

And yet you cannot offer any valid reason to put Biden in the WH with Harris a heartbeat away, looks like liberals continue to buy rhetoric and ignore results.

I have offered several reasons which I already articulated in previous threads. That my reasons aren't valid to you is irrelevant to how I am going to vote. Since you have not been appointed the arbiter of "valid reasons to vote for someone", we'll just leave it as you being entitled to your opinion.

As I have pointed out and you continue to ignore the results don't match the rhetoric which is why I left the Democratic Party whereas people like you continue to buy the rhetoric.

You buy rhetoric too; much of it repeated in your posts here. The links to conservative sites etc. are just you rehashing one particular point of view. From a results perspective, the GOP and Democrats have been a mixed bag of good and bad, yet somehow you're pushing this delusional narrative that only conservatism and the GOP are the only way to go. It's like only having a hammer in your tool box.

You "don't bite the hand that feeds you" is a very successful strategy created by the left to create career jobs and amass individual wealth appealing to the hearts of good people who have stopped thinking with their brain. What happens when incentive is destroyed?

That's quite the example of reductive thinking. People across the socio-economic spectrum vote for Democrats, so it's not as if everyone is a beneficiary of programs designed for those on the lower income scale. Your repeated notion of incentive being destroyed is absurd in the context of the many productive, and prosperous industrialized nations which have them. So why aren't all Germans now all couch potatoes living on the dole? Why haven't Nordic countries lost all of their incentive to work? I can only conclude that you think Americans are somehow more prone to have their incentive destroyed than others.

 

[Ethel2]

Seems that the Biden administration is in fact doing the right thing regarding requiring a negative Covid test from ANYONE entering the US from another country, even if they are a citizen. Great move by the new administration, one that reverses some of the BS the jackass had relaxed:


For U.S. citizens, the most significant change is that the CDC will no longer allow exceptions for negative coronavirus tests. Anyone coming into the U.S. from an international destination, citizen or not, must present a negative coronavirus test — no if, ands, or buts.

For non-U.S. citizens, the new restrictions prohibit them from entering the country if they have recently been in the United Kingdom, Ireland, and other parts of Europe, referred to as the Schengen countries. The Schengen area includes 26 countries like Germany, Switzerland and Norway that have minimal border control for those traveling among them. The ban also impacts non-U.S. citizens traveling from Brazil and South Africa.

 

[Conservative]

Actually , Texas ranks 48 out of 50 in getting the Covid 19 vaccine shots into arms.

from :
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/as...as-state-ranks-48th-in-covid-vaccination-rate



Michigan on the other hand has over 2 million doses of vaccine in peoples arms and according to Covid Act now Michigan has over given Covid 19 shots to over 14.9 percent of our population.

Right, Texans have a choice and people do refuse the shots which obviously bothers nanny state liberals. I got mine three weeks after approval was granted to Moderna and obviously that doesn't fit into your narrative. It is quite telling just how much people like you are willing to allow the gov't to dictate activities and how easily it is to blame someone else for personal responsibility issues. Why is it that people like you want a gov't bureaucrat to tell you what to do? don't see anything independent in anything you post

 

[Conservative]

And if Trump had how many hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved? You're lack of caring about anything except yourself and your money is clear to anyone who reads your posts.

How come anyone who disagrees with you is a "RADICAL"? Fortunately, your cynical point of view of America is in the minority and speaks to an America that is dying out (not due to Covid but due to unpopularity). Whether you like it or not Democrats now control Congress and the White House and it's our turn to set the agenda. If the GQP do not try to compromise and work with us the next step is to ditch the filibuster and allow for majority rule rather than the arcane process that the minority can control the agenda. BTW - if that means in the future when the GQP are in the majority so be it! I much prefer majority rule to this absurd system where nothing can get done.

Bye Bye filibuster - hello DEMOCRACY!

Radicals are people like you who promote the liberal ideology of spending in the name of compassion but never holding liberals accountable for poor results. You want people to believe that you really care about others as you divert from your own personal responsibility issues. you can only control yourself not what someone else does so why are you continuing to buy rhetoric and ignoring results? Cuomo lied and seniors died so stop blaming Trump

 

[Conservative]

I figured out how it's possible for you to make so many posts so quickly. It seems like you have about 5 canned responses that you simply cut and paste over and over and over again regardless of what the post you reply to contains. I'm sure you'll find an appropriate cut and paste for this posting...

It does seem that no matter how many times I post facts, logic and common sense you are going to ignore them. Not sure what is wrong with people like you who buy rhetoric from the left but never holds them accountable for results. Did you get your marching orders today from Biden since that is what appears to be important, what the President says and tells you what to do and not do. Guess that is what nanny state liberals want a parent in the WH

 

[Conservative]

I take personal responsibility ,but I cannot get the vaccines out to the public and into people arms.

I do have a suggestion for incentives to encourage others to get vaccinated.
A monetary reward would help.


In fact Blue Cross will give members a $25 gift card for getting their flu shot or a pneumonia vaccine.

I am sure it saves the company hundreds of thousands dollars and keeps many from becoming hospital patients.

It is j a win , win proposal and one I highly recommend.

A Money reward is a great incentive and has been known to change peoples minds.

LOL, so you believe someone should be paid for a personal responsibility issue? They are being paid with a FREE shot and still people choose not to get it. Would you deny someone else their civil liberties and due process on a personal responsibility issue? What liberties are you willing to give up?

 

[Conservative]

What the jackass did FAILED. I am sort of a bottom line kind of guy. Since our country has just 4% of the worlds population and 20% of the worlds deaths I am going to assume he blew it. As Mitt Romney said, "there is no way to sugar coat that".
Now as for the travel ban-which pertained to China only-it was incomplete. Thousands of people entered the country AFTER the ban was put in place-and no one was required to quarantine. The ban should have been put in place for EVERY country and every legal resident here should have been required to quarantine for at least two weeks if they are returning home. In fact, we actually need a similar rule right now. The vaccines are soon going to bring down the case counts and the current variants seem at least partially susceptible to them. But its likely that more resistant variants will appear, perhaps in other countries, and we DO NOT need them here. Everyone entering the US should be required to have a negative Covid test or quarantine for two weeks, and that includes returning citizens, if we want to avoid more trouble.

Seems we have a lot of jackasses focused on having a President administering personal responsibility issues. Guess that is what happens with nanny state liberals without parents, without logic and without common sense. There is no way to sugar coat it, liberals appeal to the heart bypassing the brain and creating dependence so jackasses will never bite the hand that feeds them. It is easy for you to complain about what you think Trump should have done ignoring that we have a FREE vaccine created and distributed in less than a year that the left said couldn't happen. Your stunning need for a nanny state is on full display as is your inability to grasp that you control your own activities and didn't need a President to tell you what to do to prevent getting the virus. Stop trying to convince others you care and this is a major issue for you because it isn't

 

[Conservative]

It's not scare tactics that are scaring people and destroying lives, it's the virus. Properly warning people the threat it presents and how they can protect themselves is paramount in preventing deaths and prolonged impacts to the economy. It's clear Trump knew the risks and apparently chose to think about the impact to the economy first, without realizing that once a disease spreads everywhere, people are going to curb their activities and impact the economy anyway.

Yes we live in a country where people are free to make poor choices or people are free to let their immune system work. Maybe you ought to move to a more dictatorial country to your liking were the federal gov't controls your every activity and your life. Economic shutdowns benefit who?

 

[minnie616]

Right, Texans have a choice and people do refuse the shots which obviously bothers nanny state liberals. I got mine three weeks after approval was granted to Moderna and obviously that doesn't fit into your narrative. It is quite telling just how much people like you are willing to allow the gov't to dictate activities and how easily it is to blame someone else for personal responsibility issues. Why is it that people like you want a gov't bureaucrat to tell you what to do? don't see anything independent in anything you post

Gee, South Dakota has a 21.1 percent vaccination rate.

 

[Conservative]

I have offered several reasons which I already articulated in previous threads. That my reasons aren't valid to you is irrelevant to how I am going to vote. Since you have not been appointed the arbiter of "valid reasons to vote for someone", we'll just leave it as you being entitled to your opinion.



You buy rhetoric too; much of it repeated in your posts here. The links to conservative sites etc. are just you rehashing one particular point of view. From a results perspective, the GOP and Democrats have been a mixed bag of good and bad, yet somehow you're pushing this delusional narrative that only conservatism and the GOP are the only way to go. It's like only having a hammer in your tool box.



That's quite the example of reductive thinking. People across the socio-economic spectrum vote for Democrats, so it's not as if everyone is a beneficiary of programs designed for those on the lower income scale. Your repeated notion of incentive being destroyed is absurd in the context of the many productive, and prosperous industrialized nations which have them. So why aren't all Germans now all couch potatoes living on the dole? Why haven't Nordic countries lost all of their incentive to work? I can only conclude that you think Americans are somehow more prone to have their incentive destroyed than others.

Biden won the election as I pointed out by about 150,000 votes in five states so it is amazing how that reality escapes you and how mail in ballots after the polls closed magically appeared and were overwhelmingly Biden. Trump led Pa, Michigan, Wisconsin when the polls closed, Detroit, Philly, Madison, Phoenix, Atlanta mail in ballots gave him the win. That is reality, over 70 million Americans got it right, you probably never will but will always blame Republicans for poor liberal results

 

[Conservative]

Gee, South Dakota has a 21.1 percent vaccination rate.

So what? you ever going to answer the question, do civil liberties mean anything to you?

 

[Conservative]

Gee, South Dakota has a 21.1 percent vaccination rate.

thank you President Biden

108 illegal immigrants released by Border Patrol in Texas test positive for coronavirus, officials say | Fox News

 

[minnie616]

So what? you ever going to answer the question, do civil liberties mean anything to you?

Idaho has 14.7 percent.

South Carolina 14.5 percent.

Alaska has 23 percent.

Geogia has 12.2 percent of their population.

My cousin and her family live in Texas and havebeen trying to getthe shot since the beginning of January.

Therefore I do not believe that anyone in Texas over 65 that wanted a shot already has one.