The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds

[snakestretcher]

You don't live there. There was a guy who posted here a few weeks back who said he was from Sweden and they did NOT wear masks or social distance. We know they didn't shut down.

But we know you love dictators who can force people to stay in line.......and onto trains.

Oh good grief. Did you not read what I wrote about Swedes using COMMON SENSE and adhering to government guidelines? Do you EVER read what you're offered? All you can do is whine about 'liberals' and your damn 'rights'. That's the sum total of your 'arguments'.
Contrary to Sweden it's US conservatives and dumbass libertarians who are endangering everyone by arrogantly refusing to comply with COMMON ****ING SENSE.

 

[CaughtInThe]

How exactly did that many people die because of what Trump said?

he didn't cause all of them to die. he just downplayed it, pushed the hoax thing, blamed it on governors and didn't coordinate a team response (federal and state) to a pandemic and thus caused way more people to die than should have (and will cause this recession to last way longer and the national debt to explode even more).

and you don't have to convince me that it wasn't a **** up of monumental proportions. all you have to do is convince America (those who lost loved ones, see his tweets, are unemployed, can't go to work, etc) as they watch how other countries reacted.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh good grief. Did you not read what I wrote about Swedes using COMMON SENSE and adhering to government guidelines? Do you EVER read what you're offered? All you can do is whine about 'liberals' and your damn 'rights'. That's the sum total of your 'arguments'.
Contrary to Sweden it's US conservatives and dumbass libertarians who are endangering everyone by arrogantly refusing to comply with COMMON ****ING SENSE.

You don't live there. I will believe photos I saw of Swedes close together with no masks in sight anywhere a few months back and someone who lived there over you.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Mother Nature.

To sociopaths, yes.

 

[Paradoxical]

he didn't cause all of them to die. he just downplayed it, pushed the hoax thing, blamed it on governors and didn't coordinate a team response (federal and state) to a pandemic and thus caused way more people to die than should have (and will cause this recession to last way longer and the national debt to explode even more).

and you don't have to convince me that it wasn't a **** up of monumental proportions. all you have to do is convince America (those who lost loved ones, see his tweets, are unemployed, can't go to work, etc) as they watch how other countries reacted.

Again, how did Trumps words cause people to die? Certainly Democrats don't believe him. Are only Republicans dying because he downplayed it? Your side listens to the CDC and the WHO and certainly wore masks even in bed, so why did Democrats die?

 

[Tbird19482]

I have asked this question to many here many times and am met by silence. What your side does is to play the blame game and it is about Trump's style and comments as if you think those who support him hinge on his every word as all of you apparently do. You bring up things he said such as "This will be over soon" ad when it isn't, you go haywire, as if that was some sort of lie. I asked someone who brought these type of comments to tell me just how it affected him and I got silence. I expected silence because it did NOT affect you or me or anyone else.

Where was the CDC and the WHO in all of this? Aren't THEY the experts? Shouldn't they have told all of us that those mainly at risk are people over 65? I intentionally blamed the four states because I am tired of the left blaming Trump for this, following the dictates of MSM to blame him so he will lose the election. The left trouts the CDC and the WHO as "experts" and if that is the case, they should have come out and warned the governors that they need to watch nursing homes, and the states that are densely populated should have been warned that they would be the ones hit hardest. and since this primarily affects people over 65 with preexisting conditions, those agencies should have commended that group voluntarily stay home for awhile. One might say that NONE of this was known at the time and we only know it now and if you do, how in the world do you expect Trump to have known this when the brightest scientists and epidemiologists did not? .

well maybe you should have read up on just what the CDC did

January 8

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes a health advisory regarding the “pneumonia of unknown etiology” that appears to have originated in Wuhan.

Official US actions
January 17

The CDC dispatches more than 100 staffers to three US airports to screen passengers arriving from Wuhan, a highly unusual step only taken during major health crises.

Official US actions
January 21

Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official handling the response to respiratory diseases, tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States and globally.”

Trump comments
January 22

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Trump says he isn’t worried that the outbreak could turn into a global pandemic, and said he is confident that China is being transparent about the number of cases. “We have it totally under control,” Trump told CNBC. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

Official US actions
January 23

CDC advisers tell CNN they are concerned that Chinese health officials haven’t released basic epidemiological data about the virus, making it more difficult to contain the outbreak. Questions remain about how quickly people with the infection become contagious.
Trump comments
January 24

Senior officials from the CDC brief senators about the latest developments about the virus. Later, Trump posts his first tweet about the coronavirus. He praises the Chinese government for its “transparency” handling the outbreak and says, “it will all work out well.”

and so on and so on
Maybe IF Trump would have at least listened to the CDC and took them seriously some of this mess wouldn't have happened
Have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

PS

info is here
Timeline: How Trump was out of step with the CDC during coronavirus response
Have a nice day

 

[SMTA]

Absolutely, China with its 1.4 billion people has only 85000 cases and 4500 deaths, sounds like a great place for you

People like you just hate truth, logic, and real facts.
Quite hilarious.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You know, reading that made me think about how often he's repeated this; even now. So I'm curious what that means in the context of how some posters repeat that it's the states who are the first responders. So if it's the states who are doing all of the heavy lifting and are supposed to be responsible, to what "pretty good job" is he referring?

have you ever seen a grown man (salesman usually) who lies as much as Trump?

i know a guy that is damn close (but he's the charming type). ironically, he was CEO of a medium sized corp and not long ago the board replaced him (the media article described his exit package and it was pretty damn big) because he ran the company into the ground to the point where they only had cash reserves of something like less than one year.


the reason i know what kind of liar/con man he is, is because he was my suite mate in college. i knew back then that he was gonna go a long way (so many lies, too much charm).

at least Trump doesn't have the charm thing. that would make him exponentially more dangerous to this great nation.

 

[Conservative]

People like you just hate truth, logic, and real facts.
Quite hilarious.

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No, actually people like you don't focus on gloom and doom especially that created by failure to respond to personal responsibility issues. You get the virus look in your mirror for the cause, stop blaming the President for your own personal failures

 

[CaughtInThe]

Again, how did Trumps words cause people to die? Certainly Democrats don't believe him. Are only Republicans dying because he downplayed it? Your side listens to the CDC and the WHO and certainly wore masks even in bed, so why did Democrats die?

dude. can you not read?

 

[Tbird19482]

Got it, 43 deaths in March in NY, now over 32700, all Trump's fault, thanks for clarifying that. I have a great idea why don't you keep driving taxpayers out of the state as I am sure that is going to benefit all remaining residents. The cost of liberalism is on display

Well for one thing the Gov. of NY doesn't have the authority to shut down international travel and the President does
again IF Trump had listened to the CDC and not told a bunch of lies about them and the CV we wouldn't have had such high numbers
and I have had several friends that died from it ( at least 4 or 5 ) and have gone to controlled services for them
and as for people leaving the state right now NY had a ban on people coming into the state from most of the other states in the US
and there have been a lot more trying to come in then leaving
right now NY is mostly open but with restrictions and very sever enforcement of those restrictions and it is doing well ,
Have a nice day

 

[Paradoxical]

To sociopaths, yes.

Here again, you KNOW that 2 plus 2 equals four and you just don't like it.

WHERE did this virus primarily hit all over the WORLD?? Did it hit sparsely populated areas? Did it hit people under 19? What percentage of those under 65 who were healthy died from this?

Your attitude is the typical attitude of the left where you want to believe that everyone should be the same no matter what. Like MSM, you want to indoctrinate people into the ILLUSION that this virus affects all of us equally even when math and logic disproves that. But, in that manner, you can control the entire population and excuse irresponsibility. Instead of telling people the truth, your side wants to feed them lies. It reminds me the worst POS mayor in the world DeBlasio hanging out of a subway car door imploring more people to ride subways when he KNOWS that they are germ infested sardine cans where people are touching each other and sneezing on people along with derelicts who just shot up heroin and has pneumonia sitting right next to you. This visual is exactly what goes on with the left and it says "We KNOW that the cities that are crammed in with people and freeways and tiny boxes are the ones that are the problem and we know that the elderly and the people with health issues are THE problem but we don't want the stupid public to think and know that. We want to keep on living like this so will tell te LIE taht we are ALL at risk so you can share in our misery"

This is what socialism is....shared misery. If they are crammed into tiny boxes and sick and miserable and someone is in South Dakota on acreage and happy, they can't have that. They need to include them in their misery. They need to have MSM lie and say that even South Dakotans, people under 19 and healthy people are "just like them".

 

[Conservative]

Well for one thing the Gov. of NY doesn't have the authority to shut down international travel and the President does
again IF Trump had listened to the CDC and not told a bunch of lies about them and the CV we wouldn't have had such high numbers
and I have had several friends that died from it ( at least 4 or 5 ) and have gone to controlled services for them
and as for people leaving the state right now NY had a ban on people coming into the state from most of the other states in the US
and there have been a lot more trying to come in then leaving
right now NY is mostly open but with restrictions and very sever enforcement of those restrictions and it is doing well ,
Have a nice day

Then isn't it about time you revisited exactly what Trump did and isn't it about time that you learn what due process means?

Presidential Powers and Response to COVID-19 | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network

 

[Paradoxical]

well maybe you should have read up on just what the CDC did

January 8

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes a health advisory regarding the “pneumonia of unknown etiology” that appears to have originated in Wuhan.

Official US actions
January 17

The CDC dispatches more than 100 staffers to three US airports to screen passengers arriving from Wuhan, a highly unusual step only taken during major health crises.

Official US actions
January 21

Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official handling the response to respiratory diseases, tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States and globally.”

Trump comments
January 22

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Trump says he isn’t worried that the outbreak could turn into a global pandemic, and said he is confident that China is being transparent about the number of cases. “We have it totally under control,” Trump told CNBC. “It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

Official US actions
January 23

CDC advisers tell CNN they are concerned that Chinese health officials haven’t released basic epidemiological data about the virus, making it more difficult to contain the outbreak. Questions remain about how quickly people with the infection become contagious.
Trump comments
January 24

Senior officials from the CDC brief senators about the latest developments about the virus. Later, Trump posts his first tweet about the coronavirus. He praises the Chinese government for its “transparency” handling the outbreak and says, “it will all work out well.”

and so on and so on
Maybe IF Trump would have at least listened to the CDC and took them seriously some of this mess wouldn't have happened
Have a nice day

Gee.All of that before he found out from the WHO that China lied and people died.

Go figure, eh?

Mind telling me what Trump did on 1-31-20 when he found out? Yes. You are free to Google it using the words.....China.........Trump.......travel restrictions

 

[snakestretcher]

No, actually people like you don't focus on gloom and doom especially that created by failure to respond to personal responsibility issues. You get the virus look in your mirror for the cause, stop blaming the President for your own personal failures

It's you libertarians who need to learn what personal responsibility is-and responsibility toward your fellow man. But no, whining about your precious rights being allegedly violated is about the best you can do. Bunch of arrogant, selfish bastards.

 

[Paradoxical]

dude. can you not read?

Please answer the post.

 

[Paradoxical]

It's you libertarians who need to learn what personal responsibility is-and responsibility toward your fellow man. But no, whining about your precious rights being allegedly violated is about the best you can do. Bunch of arrogant, selfish bastards.

Shared misery, eh snakestretcher? You are elderly and sick and in danger or live in an over populated area, so EVERYONE should be like YOU.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

This a stupid conversation ffs, its nothing but tribalism and hyper partisan pissing contests. A pandemic isnt a ideological thing or a east vs west thing.

 

[minnie616]

Seems the lock downs caused the highest death rates in the nation then. What good were the lock downs when their death rates as of two days was four times higher than other states?

The virus was new and doctors were using unproven medications and treatments trying to find a medication or treatment that would be effective against this sinister new virus.

Inside the body, the coronavirus is even more sinister than scientists had realized

Even though the lockdowns did keep some people home about 50 percent were essential workers.

So yes that slowed the spread but the virus already had a firm hold in New York And the Eastern US.

President Trump banned travel from China but HHS selected New York and several other airports to receive flights of America’s coming home from China.

So people who had been in China were still likely bringing more infected people to New York , New Jersey and Michigan from China.

...............

Yes, stopping flights from China did save many lives.

However ,not all international Flights from China were shut down.

The flights from China were limited to several airports.

Thus we had hard hit states with flights from China. New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Washington and California had flights coming in from China in February, March and April.



President Trump started restricting U.S. travel restrictions from China on February 2.


 Detroit Metro Airport is one of only two Midwest airports with flights from China and Europe after Trump’s travel bans.

Detroit Metropolitan airport is a huge airport with a lot of domestic and international travel.

Guess what ? One of the first two persons identified with Covid had been in our airport on March 1st before they tested positive.

From Homeland Security:



Effective Sunday, February 2nd at 5:00 PM EST, Americans flying to the United States from China will be re-routed to the following airports at no cost to the traveler:



Thus the hard hit states of New York, New Jursey, Michigan, Washington and California back in February, March and April.

From Homeland Security:

John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York
Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD), Illinois
San Francisco International Airport (SFO), California
Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA), Washington
Daniel K. Inouye International Airport (HNL), Hawaii
Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), California
Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), Georgia
Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD), Virginia

Effective at 6:30 AM EST on Monday, February 3rd, this list of airports is expanded to include:

Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR), New Jersey

Effective at 7:30 AM EST on Monday, February 3rd, this list of airports is expanded to include:

Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW), Texas

Detroit Metropolitan Airport (DTW), Michigan

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Here again, you KNOW that 2 plus 2 equals four and you just don't like it.

WHERE did this virus primarily hit all over the WORLD?? Did it hit sparsely populated areas? Did it hit people under 19? What percentage of those under 65 who were healthy died from this?

Your attitude is the typical attitude of the left where you want to believe that everyone should be the same no matter what. Like MSM, you want to indoctrinate people into the ILLUSION that this virus affects all of us equally even when math and logic disproves that. But, in that manner, you can control the entire population and excuse irresponsibility. Instead of telling people the truth, your side wants to feed them lies. It reminds me the worst POS mayor in the world DeBlasio hanging out of a subway car door imploring more people to ride subways when he KNOWS that they are germ infested sardine cans where people are touching each other and sneezing on people along with derelicts who just shot up heroin and has pneumonia sitting right next to you. This visual is exactly what goes on with the left and it says "We KNOW that the cities that are crammed in with people and freeways and tiny boxes are the ones that are the problem and we know that the elderly and the people with health issues are THE problem but we don't want the stupid public to think and know that. We want to keep on living like this so will tell te LIE taht we are ALL at risk so you can share in our misery"

This is what socialism is....shared misery. If they are crammed into tiny boxes and sick and miserable and someone is in South Dakota on acreage and happy, they can't have that. They need to include them in their misery. They need to have MSM lie and say that even South Dakotans, people under 19 and healthy people are "just like them".

No one is claiming the virus hits everyone equally. You should try arguing something other than a strawman some time.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I can only go by the charts and they show that 4 states are the real culprits.

Weren't you the same guy who was talking about Sweden having a high death and ignoring that their deaths have plummeted?

What you are doing is known as "cherry picking". It is the equivalent to saying that the US is doing better than Europe on the basis of comparing the US to France, Italy, and the UK rather than Europe as a whole.

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As you can see from those tables, the US looks like it is doing MUCH better than Europe if you exclude from consideration all countries other than France, Italy, and the UK.

You appear to be forgetting that the United States of America is a SINGLE country and that the problems of SOME of its people are the problems of ALL of its people (well, that and completely ignoring what is currently happening because it doesn't fit your political agenda).

 

[Paradoxical]

Mainly because although the lockdowns did keep some people home about 50 percent were essential workers.

So yes that slowed the spread but the virus already had a firm hold in New York And the Eastern US.

President Trump banned travel from China but HHS selected New York and several other airports to receive flights of America’s coming home from China.

So people who had been in China were still likely bringing more infected people to New York from China.

What I am not understanding is the reason(s) that the death rate has plummeted in Sweden when they did none of that. One could even include New York. They haven't excluded travel from other places. People are still going maskless at least among friends.

One might say it's because Mother Nature has already done her job in New York.

 

[Paradoxical]

No one is claiming the virus hits everyone equally. You should try arguing something other than a strawman some time.

Then why is everyone required to wear a mask and lose their businesses if it isn't because leftists want everyone to be the "same"?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Then why is everyone required to wear a mask and lose their businesses if it isn't because leftists want everyone to be the "same"?

Because people that live in cities don't just stay in cities. For example, I went on a backpacking trip to Wyoming last week. Had I been infected and not known it, if I didn't wear a mask, I would be spreading it to people in every gas station I stopped in along the way. Dude, your not smarter than epidemiologists.