The EU is not a bunch of morons, Boris Johnson however is a moron

[Peter King]

If NI voted to leave the UK, the Westminster government would jump at that.

That would be a perfect solution.


Scotland will never vote to leave the Union and would not wish to be part of an EU federal state.

It is a difficult position for the SNP to want independence from the UK and then in the next breath throw it away by signing away independence to an EU super state.

The EU is not a federation, I don't want it to be one. They can join if they want to. And if the Brexit vote negatively effects Scotland, sooner or later they will vote for independence.

 

[Rich2018]

The EU is not a federation, I don't want it to be one.

Not yet, but it wants to become one.

Does not the Treaty of Rome in 1960 state "ever closer union"

What do you imagine that means...a simple free market zone ?

They can join if they want to. And if the Brexit vote negatively effects Scotland, sooner or later they will vote for independence.

No they won't

And even in the highly unlikelihood of Scotland voting for independence, why immediately sign it away ?
The SNP are in an untenable position...

...and should an independent seek to join the EU, it will find it joins under significantly different terms.

 

[Peter King]

Not yet, but it wants to become one.

Does not the Treaty of Rome in 1960 state "ever closer union"

What do you imagine that means...a simple free market zone ?

Free market zone, internal free travel and work, work together as one on foreign relations for example, but not a federation.

No they won't

And even in the highly unlikelihood of Scotland voting for independence, why immediately sign it away ?
The SNP are in an untenable position...

...and should an independent seek to join the EU, it will find it joins under significantly different terms.

we will have to wait and see.

 

[Sven Karma]

... in the highly unlikelihood of Scotland voting for independence ...

Newsflash: to turn the last referendum's 45yes/55no split on its head only requires 6% of the voters to change their mind, small potatoes as electoral swings go and given the odds-on that Brexit is going to be less than an unqualified success, to put it kindly.

And since Scotland already has its own legal system and its own (well, sort of) banks already licensed to print money and a land border in not much populated upland with not that many crossing poins it's probably the best-equpped small nation to become independent.

 

[Grand Mal]

If NI voted to leave the UK, the Westminster government would jump at that.

That would be a perfect solution.


Scotland will never vote to leave the Union and would not wish to be part of an EU federal state.

It is a difficult position for the SNP to want independence from the UK and then in the next breath throw it away by signing away independence to an EU super state.

Scotland voted 55% to stay in Britain, and that on the promise that Britain would stay in Europe. Every district in Scotland voted to stay in Europe. It's very likely that Scotland would vote to leave Britain now if it was a route to stay in Europe. Especially if only Scots vote. European country citizens and Commonwealth country citizens were allowed the vote last time.

 

[PoS]

Clearly you have no clue about the situation in NI and the reasons for this part of the agreement, noted.



Nope, but I know you have no clue about the stresses in the UK about the Brexit decision.



You are hard of reading I see, at the moment we discussed and agreed this deal the UK was still a member. Time, history, facts and now reality seem to mean little to you.

As usual when you know youre wrong you chicken out from the central question and resort to insults. If you agree the UK is no longer a member, then why do you insist that she must abide by the laws of the EU?

 

[Peter King]

As usual when you know youre wrong you chicken out from the central question and resort to insults. If you agree the UK is no longer a member, then why do you insist that she must abide by the laws of the EU?

It is not an insult to acknowledge you do not know what a deal means if you say it is fascist. Nobody forced the UK to sign that deal. It was made voluntarily and if you cannot acknowledge reality then I do not know what you really want to argue.

The UK voluntarily agreed to this deal when they were still a member and it was the deal that brexited them from the EU. It was a deal and in that deal they made rules and exceptions for the Northern Ireland border, in order for a deal to be possible and to protect the peace in NI.

 

[PoS]

It is not an insult to acknowledge you do not know what a deal means if you say it is fascist. Nobody forced the UK to sign that deal. It was made voluntarily and if you cannot acknowledge reality then I do not know what you really want to argue.

The UK voluntarily agreed to this deal when they were still a member and it was the deal that brexited them from the EU. It was a deal and in that deal they made rules and exceptions for the Northern Ireland border, in order for a deal to be possible and to protect the peace in NI.

That reasoning is simply idiotic. It's like saying Syria belongs to Italy since the Romans annexed that territory in 63 BC.

 

[Chagos]

Jeezazz! :roll:

 

[zyzygy]

Brexit is on course to cost the UK more than its combined total of payments to the European Union budget over the past 47 years, Bloomberg Economics found.
Bloomberg said the cost of the UK’s vote to leave the EU had already reached £130 billion.
A further £70 billion is likely to be added by the end of 2020, the economist Dan Hanson found.
Business confidence and investment in the UK has dipped significantly since the 2016 vote.

Brexit will have soon cost the UK more than all its payments to the EU over the past 47 years put together

 

[Peter King]

That reasoning is simply idiotic. It's like saying Syria belongs to Italy since the Romans annexed that territory in 63 BC.

No, your example just shows more of the ridiculousness of your views. Syria was part of the Roman empire many hundreds of years ago, the deal between the EU and that utter moron Johnson was made last/this year. You may not see the difference between these 2 situations, but then again, you would need some logical thinking to do that.

 

[Sven Karma]

No, your example just shows more of the ridiculousness of your views. Syria was part of the Roman empire many hundreds of years ago, the deal between the EU and that utter moron Johnson was made last/this year. You may not see the difference between these 2 situations, but then again, you would need some logical thinking to do that.

Well sure, but Johnson already played the 'Pharoah, let my people go' card a while back so it's just par for the course.

Also you have to bear in mind that PoS is a sci-fi writer so we are talking about a guy whose profession is 'hey, we just opened the wormhole to planet niflheim' so no, not logical thinking as you paltry earthlings conceive the term.

 

[PoS]

No, your example just shows more of the ridiculousness of your views. Syria was part of the Roman empire many hundreds of years ago, the deal between the EU and that utter moron Johnson was made last/this year. You may not see the difference between these 2 situations, but then again, you would need some logical thinking to do that.

Nope, Im going with your logic (or more like lack of it) since you think every agreement is ironclad no matter what happens afterwards.

Well sure, but Johnson already played the 'Pharoah, let my people go' card a while back so it's just par for the course.

Also you have to bear in mind that PoS is a sci-fi writer so we are talking about a guy whose profession is 'hey, we just opened the wormhole to planet niflheim' so no, not logical thinking as you paltry earthlings conceive the term.

Whatever you do is devoid of any thinking, thats for sure.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Well sure, but Johnson already played the 'Pharoah, let my people go' card a while back so it's just par for the course.

Funny that BoJo won't accept the same argument from the SNP when they say the same.

Back onto the EU / UK Brexit situation - it's all as many predicted now - the slogans of "get Brexit done by January" were pretty meaningless as we're still in and the negotiations are where the battles will continue.

 

[Peter King]

Nope, Im going with your logic (or more like lack of it) since you think every agreement is ironclad no matter what happens afterwards.

Nope, you were not.

Often in employment contracts you sign a deal that you cannot work for a direct competitor of that company for (say) a year, you signed for it but 1 week after you left you are trying to weasel out of the contract you signed. That then is also fascist in your view?

Sorry, but your views are nonsensical as a deal is a deal. If Boris didn't want this to be in the Brexit deal he should not have signed it. Simple. He did sign in, at least to his diminished level of "sound mind", and now he is bound by it until he can make another deal with the EU to scrap that part of the previous deal. You cannot however weasel out of it by trying to spin the legal text.

 

[PoS]

Nope, you were not.

Often in employment contracts you sign a deal that you cannot work for a direct competitor of that company for (say) a year, you signed for it but 1 week after you left you are trying to weasel out of the contract you signed. That then is also fascist in your view?

LOL ridiculous. So to you, the UK is some sort of employee who must continuously submit to his boss the EU even though he's left the company? This is your silliest post yet. :lamo

 

[zimmer]

According to the Dutch newspaper Boris Johnson is trying to weasel out of the deal he made with the EU about Northern Ireland. The Dutch newspaper is basing itself on anonymous sources from the Sunday Times.

Northern Ireland officially will belong to the UK customs union but in practice it will follow the EU rules for trade.

Johnson's Task Force Europe is working in secret on a plan to circumvent the made deal with the EU. The experts are looking for a loophole that would prevent customs checks between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Suella Braverman, the current Advocate General for Northern Ireland is supposed to "create" a legal advise for the Johnson government that would justify breaking the deal with the EU.

The previous Advocate General refused to work towards breaking the deal with the EU (knowing they would be seen as a violation of the standing deal) and thus was removed/sent packing.

This will seriously hamper any chance of a deal with the EU before the end of the year because in no way will Ireland will ever agree to such a deal which would go against the Northern Ireland deal already made.

The Netherlands and other EU countries are reaping the benefits from UK companies opening offices in the mainland of the EU/Ireland.

Don’t sell the EU short... they’re filled with morons.

They forced a constitution on the bloc they did not want.

The Euro common currency had countries join which never should have.

They invited Africa to Europe.

They became an overbearing insufferable, omnipotent and omnipresent lot.

Had they made the EU a free trade zone, and left it at that... it would have been fine... but they couldn’t leave well enough alone.

 

[Peter King]

Don’t sell the EU short... they’re filled with morons.

They forced a constitution on the bloc they did not want.

The Euro common currency had countries join which never should have.

They invited Africa to Europe.

They became an overbearing insufferable, omnipotent and omnipresent lot.

Had they made the EU a free trade zone, and left it at that... it would have been fine... but they couldn’t leave well enough alone.

Well you can think that but I know better.

And Africa? You mean talks with Turkey? Not going anywhere as long as Turkey is lead by a muslim autocrat like Erdogan.

 

[Sven Karma]

Whatever you do is devoid of any thinking, thats for sure.

"Said the Xarg of K'fzzt in a petulant tone, since even a shapeless lump of primordial ooze knows when it has utterly lost an argument."

 

[PeteEU]

LOL ridiculous. So to you, the UK is some sort of employee who must continuously submit to his boss the EU even though he's left the company? This is your silliest post yet. :lamo

In other words you don't understand basic contract law.. Let alone international law and diplomacy...

Sent from my Honor 8X

 

[zimmer]

Well you can think that but I know better.

And Africa? You mean talks with Turkey? Not going anywhere as long as Turkey is lead by a muslim autocrat like Erdogan.

You don’t know better... I spend most of my time in the EU, and have for long before the African invasion.

And No... I don’t mean Turkey... I mean Merkel inviting Africa to trudge through Europe and the EU not telling her to shut the **** up.

Also... the EU had known that problem for years... illegals coming by boat to Spain and Italy... yet had ZERO plan to deal with a larger scale Invasión.

 

[PeteEU]

You don’t know better... I spend most of my time in the EU, and have for long before the African invasion.

And No... I don’t mean Turkey... I mean Merkel inviting Africa to trudge through Europe and the EU not telling her to shut the **** up?

Also... the EU had known that problem for years... illegals coming by boat to Spain and Italy... yet had ZERO plan to deal with a larger scale Invasión.

Well if you did spend time here [emoji849], you would know there was no African invasion, and that illegal immigration and refugees and how to handle it is a national issue, not an EU one. Now there has been more and more coordination (not enough imo) but it is still a national issue.

Sent from my Honor 8X

 

[PoS]

In other words you don't understand basic contract law.. Let alone international law and diplomacy...

Sent from my Honor 8X

Please show me a UN law where a country must submit to trade and border rules for an economic block which it is not a member of.

"Said the Xarg of K'fzzt in a petulant tone, since even a shapeless lump of primordial ooze knows when it has utterly lost an argument."

No dishes to wash at the chip shop today, eh? Good on you.

 

[zimmer]

Well if you did spend time here [emoji849], you would know there was no African invasion, and that illegal immigration and refugees and how to handle it is a national issue, not an EU one. Now there has been more and more coordination (not enough imo) but it is still a national issue.

Sent from my Honor 8X

I lived near one of the major crossroads of that happening and have written about it on DP when it happened.

It was a mass of humanity that invaded Europe... millions...

It’s an EU issue... and they had no plan.

And Merkel... whose country is not connected to the Mediterranean, unless they’ve goose stepped through Austria and Italy lately... have no connection to that body of water. Yet that idiot invited the invasion.

 

[Sven Karma]

... No dishes to wash at the chip shop today, eh? Good on you.

Yeah, thanks for taking care of them last night. No reason for you to have noticed but you left your brain in the deep-fat fryer.