The End of Obedience

[TobyOne]

Who would they get to fight for them? They would all be on social media - including political forums -hyperventilating.

Great. A Canadian calling for a US civil war.

Y'know, the longer this crap goes on the more I wish you lefties would would go for it.

 

[OrphanSlug]

March around in ***** hats and scream on tik tok. Shoot up some schools or maybe a church.

Thank you! That was the point.

The people doing the talking convince the unstable to do the killing. Does not matter if it’s the right fanning the flames of their lot of lunatics or the left doing the same with theirs in the end the call to fight ends up translated by the angry to go kill someone.

All evidence supporting.

 

[Peacenik]

Peacenik:

Then your republic is lost and you will be licking the boots of your would-be king and his court of big business Boyars. Have some guts or lose it all.

Be well, be somewhat less safe and be brave.
Evilroddy.

This isn't about me. We all collectively do our part by being well informed and actively engaged in the mechanics of our democracy through voting.

Blame may be assigned to those who do not vote and to those who vote based on shallow premises.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Not to mention "human rights" tribunals to enforce GroupThink and snuff out WrongThink.

Then you must be all against the efforts this administration is taking against "woke", right? I mean, that's literally what you're railing against since "woke" is considered WrongThink in certain circles.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't blame you. I've already shown how Trump supported something you blame on the Dems.

A great big 'So What?'

Quit while you're behind.

Except that I'm not 'behind' at all.

Full List of 158 Democrats Who Voted Against Sex Crime Ban on Immigrants​

MSN

Do please explain why so many congressional democrats voted against ensuring "undocumented immigrants convicted of sex offenses are deported or deemed inadmissible to the country."

Why do congressional Democrats support the continued harming of innocent sex crimes victims by NOT deporting such illegal immigrants?

There are other examples of this, if you look a bit further, but you'd not find it in the media which white washes Democrat's, liberal's, or progressive's malfeasances.

 

[eohrnberger]

Obedience must also end when the state undertakes unmandated projects like social engineering. What a society is is set from the electorate below, not from the elites above.

Agreed.

Which makes this 'top down' DEI from the government at the demands of the few, the loudest, the most extreme leftist, so incongruent with your accurate statement.

 

[Fearandloathing]

From:

Thomas Hobbes The End Of Obedience Is Protection - 619 Words | Bartleby

Free Essay: In the Leviathan, chapter 21, Thomas Hobbes states “ The end of obedience is protection.” Hobbes is referring to the social contract theory...

www.bartleby.com

The US Government is engaged in a programme of policy decisions which will harm and make less secure the lives of Most American citizens. Tariffs are illegal taxes been imposed on them without representation by the Administration which is acting outside its mandate and jurisdiction. That same Administration is putting military personnel on American territory to intimidate states and the American citizens in those states into compliance with the Administration's policies. The Administration is undermining alliances which protect the American people from war and conflict and is supporting regimes which are using war, war crimes, crimes against humanity, mass killing and even genocide, further destabilising the fragile peace of much of the world, including the peace and safety of the American people. These are but a few of the examples of the many ways that the US Government is attacking and harming the US polis directly.

It is time for the American public to cease to be an obedient polis as the social contract and the constitution of the United States are in tatters. This point must be driven home before the mid-term elections. Therefore it is time for millions of Americans to withdraw their obedience from the present US Government and to enter the streets en masse in peaceful protest and denial of work/mobility/consumption in order to provoke a draconian crackdown by the authoritarians of the Administratio which ends up with the state trying to kill or wound its own peaceful but noncompliant citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights. This will create a tipping point which will force all American citizens to choose whether to accept subjugation under an authoritarian regime or to defy and remove that authoritarian regime from power by the ballot box in 2026 during the mid-term elections to preserve their liberties and their republic.

Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks

Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.

civilrights.org

Therefore be it resolved that the American people must exercise their rights and shed their obedience and compliance to a state which is determined to harm them in a wide spectrum of ways in order to create the conditions to remove that government by peaceful means using the ballot box.

Debate.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy

Martin Luther King is alive in spirit at least.

But, seriously, citing Thomas Hobbes to the likes of a dunce like Trump is like putting shit on your filet mignon.

 

[Fearandloathing]

The Declaration of Independence lays all of it out quite clearly, and since Trump sees himself AS a king, he is therefore the 21st century equivalent of the madness of King George III.

The logic is ****ed but I agree..

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

No cash bail, DAs which actually charge criminals, rather than to release them to commit more crimes off the top of my head.

Do you mean like releasing convicted criminals who attacked police officers on Jan 6?

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

Who cares what a Canadian subject thinks about what free men and women should do?

I do.

 

[Fearandloathing]

That's the point Tangmo. Force their hands before it's too late and then hope for a mutiny of some or all the military on the side of "we the people" when the Government starts shooting unarmed and peaceful, albeit really annoying, protesters.
Take the power back from them or make their rule unmanageable and none profitable.

No cabin fever here. Just trying to wake our southern cousins up as they sleep-walk collectively into subjugation.

Be well, be wise and be a little less safe.
Evilroddy.

I casually suggest that for a Canadian to suggest support for any form of violent push back to the US government is unwise, if not ****ing stupid.

We may observe, comment, suggest, poke fun at, commiserate and offer solace...but we have no right to interfere unless Canadian values and territories are directly threatened (and no, I don't mean Cad wars!). As a people we must remember that WE have been America's best friend for 200+ years, and while we have every right, no a DUTY, to push back against evil, we have NO RIGHT to try and influence their politics with anything but EXAMPLE.

I've lived there, albeit decades ago. I know the American people.

Trump is a disease from which the nation needs to heal. We need to support them, while cutting off the blood supply to the infestation that is Trump.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

Just trying to wake our southern cousins up as they sleep-walk collectively into subjugation.

Damn. I wish I could write like that.

 

[Loulit01]

Hmm… yet another republicants are icky so vote for demorats (in the 2026 mid-term elections) thread.

Shamefully irrelevant post.

 

[eohrnberger]

eohrmberger:

I assume you've already done that personally.

Now let millions of your fellow citizens laugh at your need to be led about and deny the foolish TACO
. . .

Stopped reading right there.

 

[eohrnberger]

Obedience must also end when the state undertakes unmandated projects like social engineering. What a society is is set from the electorate below, not from the elites above.

As is best captured in the statement:
"Politics is downstream from culture".

Dem, Libs and Progs want to dictate culture down unto the inferior unwashed masses (in their eyes) from their self-imagined and self appointed moral superiority pedestal, and then are surprised that its rejected and push back on. Such is their hubris.

 

[JMB1911A1]

As is best captured in the statement:
"Politics is downstream from culture".

Dem, Libs and Progs want to dictate culture down unto the inferior unwashed masses (in their eyes) from their self-imagined and self appointed moral superiority pedestal, and then are surprised that its rejected and push back on. Such is their hubris.

If we weren’t limited to characters, this would be added to my sig.

Edit. Made it my sig. Couldn’t fit last sentence.

 

[Evilroddy]

Great. A Canadian calling for a US civil war.

Lutherf:

No, a simply Canadian neighbour reminding Americans that they have peaceful options in the face of a rising tide of authoritarianism by simply not obeying the authorities by the tens of millions and by provoking those authorities with humor, derision and scorn until those authorities show their true predatory colours and lash out at a disobedient American polis. It's all there in the first amendment and in American history for anyone who wants to look.

Again it's nice to see another authoritarian personality invoking "the other" dog whistle to in an attempt to rally the likeminded to the attack.

Y'know, the longer this crap goes on the more I wish you lefties would would go for it.

What would you like to see happen if those who dissent with the authoritarian destiny, do go for it en masse, I wonder? Would you care to elaborate?

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

This isn't about me. We all collectively do our part by being well informed and actively engaged in the mechanics of our democracy through voting.

Blame may be assigned to those who do not vote and to those who vote based on shallow premises.

Peacenik:

My apologies for making my reply sound personal. It wasn't intended to read so. I meant the collective you (all Americans) and yes I agree that political apathy and ideological tunnel-vision are serious problems in American politics.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

Martin Luther King is alive in spirit at least.

But, seriously, citing Thomas Hobbes to the likes of a dunce like Trump is like putting shit on your filet mignon.

Fearandloathing:

No, it's like putting shit on Mr. Trump's filet mignon or cheeseburger, not mine. The one thing that authoritarians can't stand is the tarnishing of their 'brand' or public image by widespread contempt and derision done by humour. It's harder to worship a fool as the centre of a cult of personality, who is pointed out to be so lacking so regularly by public rebuke using humour and scorn.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

I casually suggest that for a Canadian to suggest support for any form of violent push back to the US government is unwise, if not ****ing stupid.

Fearandloathing:

How is withdrawal of obedience and public humour to discredit a dangerous political movement a violent push back? I agree with you that inciting dissident violence is unwise and may have serious blowback effects. What I am advocating for is non-violent resistance through the ending of presumed obedience en masse coupled with humour and scorn directed towards a powerless state which has lost the support of its people and then waiting for the inevitable authoritarian over-reaction in such a way as to galvanise the American electorate to drive the authoritarians out of power in Congress and the US Administration by the Ballot Box during the mid-term elections - a non-violent strategy.

We may observe, comment, suggest, poke fun at, commiserate and offer solace...but we have no right to interfere unless Canadian values and territories are directly threatened (and no, I don't mean Cad wars!). As a people we must remember that WE have been America's best friend for 200+ years, and while we have every right, no a DUTY, to push back against evil, we have NO RIGHT to try and influence their politics with anything but EXAMPLE.

Need I remind you Canadian sovereignty is directly under overtly stated threat of economic force and annexation by the American Head of State?

I've lived there, albeit decades ago. I know the American people.

Most of my family are Americans. My mum was and American. I look after my now 92 year old American aunt in my home, my mum's younger sister by about 15 years. I have travelled all over the USA except Hawaii, Puerto Rico and the Atlantic/Pacific territories. I know Americans perhaps as well as you.

Trump is a disease from which the nation needs to heal. We need to support them, while cutting off the blood supply to the infestation that is Trump.

Public withdrawal of obedience and humorous excoriation of the authoritarians towards a political change are the first steps in curing that disease.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

As is best captured in the statement:
"Politics is downstream from culture".

Dem, Libs and Progs want to dictate culture down unto the inferior unwashed masses (in their eyes) from their self-imagined and self appointed moral superiority pedestal, and then are surprised that its rejected and push back on. Such is their hubris.

eohrnberger:

I think the bolded statement above is true of both or the two major parties in American politics as well as of the non-political statism which is growing in America. However the degree, rate and militancy are different and that is where the immediate problem lies. Reduce the haemorrhaging to manageable bleeding first and then we can talk about managing and ending the bleeding secondarily. Simple triage then long-term care.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

When the police come knocking over feisty Facebook comments - Canadian Constitution Foundation

“In some countries, insulting politicians can lead to jail.” That’s the provocative subtitle of a recent article in The Economist that lumped Canada in with

theccf.ca

aoc...ho

This is a diversion of course so I will ignore it except to point out two points. Did you read the article which you linked to?

from your linked article:

This time, MacKinnon was prepared. She’d done the work the prosecutor should have done back in 2011 and learned that an Alberta court had declared Section 301 unconstitutional back in 1992. Corrected, and one hopes chagrined, the Crown dropped the new charge, but proceeded to charge her with violating the earlier court order – which had been based on the same impugned law. She was fined $3,900.

Since Alberta first declared Section 301 unconstitutional, courts in Saskatchewan, Ontario, and Newfoundland have followed suit. They have held that defendants charged with defamation under the Criminal Code face a higher bar than individuals facing civil defamation claims, where truth is a complete defence. To be acquitted of a defamatory libel charge, a person must prove both that offending statement was true and that it relates to “a subject of public interest … for the public benefit.” This content-based test places an extra burden on freedom of expression and reverses the usual presumption of innocence in criminal cases.

The old law is a stain on the Canadian legal system and the woman challenged it successfully in court on the second incidence. Had she mounted that challenge in the first place she would not have been fined. It sucks but it is one of the challenges of living in a civil society where both historical aberrations are kept on the law books for the convenience of cynical politicians and where running a society based on the rule of law is deemed important. Canada is not perfect.

Now back to the end of obedience.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy

 

[Evilroddy]

Not to mention "human rights" tribunals to enforce GroupThink and snuff out WrongThink.

TobyOne:

Another diversion of course because you don't want to debate the issue.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

Who would they get to fight for them? They would all be on social media - including political forums -hyperventilating.

TobyOne:

The authoritarian mindset on full display here. No need to fight, no need for violence. Just vote the authoritarians out of office in 2026 and until then make running the country very, very difficult and embarrassing to the great leader and his coterie of toadies in cabinet and the Congress. The violence will come from the authoritarians out of frustration at being denied obedience en masse.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

Thank you! That was the point.

The people doing the talking convince the unstable to do the killing. Does not matter if it’s the right fanning the flames of their lot of lunatics or the left doing the same with theirs in the end the call to fight ends up translated by the angry to go kill someone.

All evidence supporting.

OrphanSlug:

Denying obedience is not advocating violence.

Ruining the reputation further of disreputable people in public office is not advocating violence.

Standing up to authoritarianism at the ballot box is not violence.

No killing has be advocated for. Just predicted as a reaction to the end of presumed obedience.

am pretty sure that the response by authoritarians to these non-violent strategies will be violent.

Be well and and be safe.
Evilroddy.