The Draft is Unconstitutional

[Bullseye]

Ouch!

One day earlier was 342, one later was in the 180's First lotto I ever won and I was the prize.

 

[Bodi]

Nope. Everyone has to serve.

The Constitution would be under serious threat if they did away with citizens rights....

 

[Bodi]

the draft isn't a punishment it is compulsory military service that is paid.

Compulsory military service is punishment.

Unless they are physically unable, or of a religious belief that is contrary to military service.

Why should a religious belief and not a person's non-violent belief or being a parent of a small child just as good.?

compulsory (involuntary) service (servitude) is precisely what A13 prohibits.

Exactly...

Right, punishment for a crime is the only condition where involuntary servitude *is* legal. Since that isn't the case with the draft my conclusion is that it's illegal.

Correct.

 

[SMTA]

A draft should only be used in rare, extreme situations. However, I think that the point of the OP is that someone is annoyed with women again tonight and wants to talk about drafting them.

Could status as an Incel also be motivation for the OP to be driven by misogyny?

 

[Gatsby]

Slave army? Is that what you call the vets that served in Vietnam.

Were they forced to be there? Were they forced to perform work against their will? If so, then it's slavery or involuntary servitude.

Deplorable comment.

Cry more. I don't give a shit.

 

[Big Brother]

I agree with you to a point. Waiting for an invading force to hit breach our sovereignty seems too late though. The draft is coming up as recruiting goals are falling quickly. It's hard to attract prospective war fighters with the current social experiment military.

You are right. The draft is very near, as very few will voluntarily sign up to fight Russia and then China. One can also extrapolate that, with all the inclusiveness going on, when the draft hits it will also include women and I even wager that the maximum age will be raised and it could include essentially everyone. Most, importantly the war propaganda has already gotten so much support from the american people that it essentially tells the government that all americans are willing to die to save America from the bad guys. I bet those few that survive the next upcoming global war won't fall for the propaganda anymore and will be much more active in holding their government accountable.

 

[yankintx]

When was the last time the draft was used?

If the cause is just conscription should not be necessary.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The Draft is Unconstitutional

Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918)

Selective Draft Law Cases: The Thirteenth Amendment protection against involuntary servitude and the First Amendment protection on freedom of thought do not prevent the federal government from implementing a military draft.

supreme.justia.com

3 justices suggest male-only draft is unconstitutional

But Supreme Court turns down case challenging exclusion of women from registration requirement.

www.politico.com

What do you think?

Whether a male only draft violates the equal protection clause is an interesting question. However, draft in general is authorized to Congress under Article 1, Section 8, clause 12.

 

[jpevans]

How about "I don't want to serve in the military"? Is that acceptable?

Muhammad Ali.

 

[notquiteright]

That's what they are doing. You want to pull them away from that and put a gun in their hands against their will.

Well to be fair Conscientious objectors have been drafted. They serve as medics, clerks, logistics where weapons are not put in their hands....

 

[jpevans]

If the cause is just conscription should not be necessary.

How long do y'all think Afghanistan would have lasted with a draft?
The all volunteer military is about 1% of the countries population, making most everyone a fortunate son.
Not advocating for a return to the Draft, just laying out some thoughts.

 

[noonereal]

One day earlier was 342, one later was in the 180's First lotto I ever won and I was the prize.

The year I pulled 171, they only called up to number 170.
True story.

My buddy was shot off a tank in Vietnam. Hit in the head. He lived but of course was disabled.

War, life really is a lottery.

 

[noonereal]

Were they forced to be there? Were they forced to perform work against their will? If so, then it's slavery or involuntary servitude.

Cry more. I don't give a shit.
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I did no crying, I simply point out the deplorable comments in your posts.

 

[yankintx]

How long do y'all think Afghanistan would have lasted with a draft?
The all volunteer military is about 1% of the countries population, making most everyone a fortunate son.
Not advocating for a return to the Draft, just laying out some thoughts.

I was all volunteer rented Air Force

We don't want to serve next to someone who does not want to be there

 

[rahl]

Whether a male only draft violates the equal protection clause is an interesting question. However, draft in general is authorized to Congress under Article 1, Section 8, clause 12.

and outlawed by the 13th amendment.

 

[Gatsby]

I did no crying, I simply point out the deplorable comments in your posts.

No one cares.

 

[noonereal]

No one cares.

Great comeback post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bullseye]

The year I pulled 171, they only called up to number 170.
True story.

My buddy was shot off a tank in Vietnam. Hit in the head. He lived but of course was disabled.

War, life really is a lottery.

Yeah, a few of my high school classmates didn't come home or were permanently disabled. As it turned out the law allowed by to enlist in the Navy as long as I did it before my reporting date.

 

[mrjurrs]

They are both illegal in the same sense. Both convictions will continue to show up on civilian background checks and haunt you for a long time.


OK...but I don't understand the relevance to conscription.

Conscripted soldiers are not completely subject to a superiors orders.

 

[ClaraD]

Compulsory military service is punishment.

Why should a religious belief and not a person's non-violent belief or being a parent of a small child just as good.?

Exactly...

Correct.

Religion is protected by the Constitution, that is why. Also, no, it is not punishment.

 

[ClaraD]

Sorry, religious belief is not acceptable a dodge.
We accept way too much religious belief in this country as it is now.
You belive religion on your time without interference to society in any way.

oh but it is...it is enshrined in the 1st Amendment.

 

[noonereal]

Yeah, a few of my high school classmates didn't come home or were permanently disabled. As it turned out the law allowed by to enlist in the Navy as long as I did it before my reporting date.

People forget, joining the National Guard was a draft dodge at the time. That is what Bush Jr did. It was hard to join as they had lines to join to avoid the draft. But somehow Bush got in.

 

[noonereal]

oh but it is...it is enshrined in the 1st Amendment.

That constitution is ridiculously . Its 2022. It has seldom been "fixed."
Certainly it needs tons of revisions.

 

[ClaraD]

That constitution is ridiculously . Its 2022. It has seldom been "fixed."
Certainly it needs tons of revisions.

No, it doesn't. Just because it is inconvenient for you does not mean that it should be revised.

 

[noonereal]

No, it doesn't. Just because it is inconvenient for you does not mean that it should be revised.

Its not inconvenient its trash today. Time has passed it by.