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The disarming of America

Without means to defend himself against a repressive government he wouldn't.

It's a good job I live in a democracy then, isn't it?

Do you really think that against a repressive government prepared to fight no holds-barred against internal insurgents, a bunch of civilians with guns would stand a chance?

If the SAS had been given a free hand, they'd have wiped the IRA out in a year.
 
It's a good job I live in a democracy then, isn't it?

Do you really think that against a repressive government prepared to fight no holds-barred against internal insurgents, a bunch of civilians with guns would stand a chance?

If the SAS had been given a free hand, they'd have wiped the IRA out in a year.

Pure democracy is one of the worst systems to have, it is nothing more than mob rule. Democratic republics with the innate and inalienable rights of the individual guaranteed is the way to go.

Why don't you send that SAS down to Iraq, see what they can do against an armed populace there.
 
Because enough of us accept our duties as freemen and seek to maintain and proliferate the blessings of liberty.

I see. That clichéd little spiel really answered my question.
 
It's a good job I live in a democracy then, isn't it?
A democracy that can be taken away by the first oppressive government that comes along if you don't have the ability to defend yourself.

Do you really think that against a repressive government prepared to fight no holds-barred against internal insurgents, a bunch of civilians with guns would stand a chance?
It certainly worked for us against the English didn't it?

If the SAS had been given a free hand, they'd have wiped the IRA out in a year.
Not without other non-IRA citizens seeing the wrongs they were committing and joining the IRA to fight a repressive government. Like Ikari said, send them to Iraq if they can do such a good job.
 
I see. That clichéd little spiel really answered my question.

It won't answer your question if you do not understand the duties and responsibilities of freedom and liberty.
 
Pure democracy is one of the worst systems to have, it is nothing more than mob rule. Democratic republics with the innate and inalienable rights of the individual guaranteed is the way to go.
This is incorrect, a direct and radically decentralised democracy is the best system of government devloving power to the lowest degree and giving the people much greater liberty.

A democratic repbulic is an oxymoron, it devlolves like our system into the rule of privileged elites and special interests.
 
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So... who thinks this is a good idea?

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Impossible to carry out. Unlike Americans not giving a $HIT about the illegals they would all ban together in protest.
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BUT, IF it was possible to do that then we should use that same way towards the illegals.
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There is a MYTH about Dems wanting to take Americans guns away. For any Dem or Repub to do that would be commiting political suicide and they ain't that DUMB.
It just ain't going to happen.
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BTW: BAD IDEA!
 
There is a MYTH about Dems wanting to take Americans guns away.

Incorrect. It is simply widely known that most Democrats will vote for any and every gun-rights restriction that comes down the pike.
 
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So... who thinks this is a good idea?
only people wearing tinfoil hats or people completely ignorant of US culture/law/politics would think this is a good idea.


Frankly, this one of those issues I encourage people to embrace. Anyone that stupid in US domestic policy deserves to have their underwear completely pulled over their heads. :lol:
 
I'd never advocate the complete banning of all guns. Handguns and assault weapons, yes. Weapons who's only purpose is to kill another human being. These things should not be in the hands of private citizens...
The Constitution protects the right to arms so that people will always have access to the means necessary to kill other people -- as sometimes, people need to kill other people.

Given that, why ban handguns and 'assaut weapons'?

Never mind that its utterly impossible to argue that these weapons' only purpose is to kill another human being.
 
Never mind that its utterly impossible to argue that these weapons' only purpose is to kill another human being.

No it's not. Hand guns and so-called "assault weapons" are made to kill other people and I wouldn't have it any other way. What other purpose does it have?
 
This is incorrect, a direct and radically decentralised democracy is the best system of government devloving power to the lowest degree and giving the people much greater liberty.

A democratic repbulic is an oxymoron, it devlolves like our system into the rule of privileged elites and special interests.

Federalist #10
 
No it's not. Hand guns and so-called "assault weapons" are made to kill other people and I wouldn't have it any other way. What other purpose does it have?

More handguns are used to hunt deer during one week in the state of Ohio than to kill people across the entire US for the entire year.

More 'assault weapons' will be used in NRA highpower competition over one weekend at Camp Perry OH than to kill people across the entire US for the entire year.

Clearly, these weapons have a legtimate purpose other than just killing people.
Not that having the ability to kill people is a bad thing, mind you...
 
More handguns are used to hunt deer during one week in the state of Ohio than to kill people across the entire US for the entire year.

More 'assault weapons' will be used in NRA highpower competition over one weekend at Camp Perry OH than to kill people across the entire US for the entire year.

Clearly, these weapons have a legtimate purpose other than just killing people.
Not that having the ability to kill people is a bad thing, mind you...

It's good that people are using them for some other purpose, but make no mistake, they have those guns to protect themselves and their families, not for competition.
 
It's good that people are using them for some other purpose, but make no mistake, they have those guns to protect themselves and their families, not for competition.
Tell me:
If the purpose of an 'assault weapon' is to kill people, when a competitor steps to the firing line with one, is he using it improperly?
 
Tell me:
If the purpose of an 'assault weapon' is to kill people, when a competitor steps to the firing line with one, is he using it improperly?

He's not using it for the purpose for which it was created.
 
He's not using it for the purpose for which it was created.
That's an interesting comment, given the large number of these rifles that were built -specifically- for competition pruposes.

Never mind that you didnt answer the question.
 
That's an interesting comment, given the large number of these rifles that were built -specifically- for competition pruposes.
They may have been built for that, but its not what they were designed for.

Never mind that you didnt answer the question.
Your question was if they were using them improperly, which they weren't as I'm sure all of them understand how to use and care for a weapon, but it isn't made to fire at paper targets except in training.
 
guns were only invented to kill people... it wasn't the difficulty of killing wild animals with bows and arrows... or spears that has forced the species wide arms race to become the most deadly faction on the planet.
 
They may have been built for that, but its not what they were designed for.
LOL
That's almost as good as 'rifles are not to be judged as suitable for a sporting purpose even if they are used in a sporting evet'.
LOL

Your question was if they were using them improperly, which they weren't as I'm sure all of them understand how to use and care for a weapon, but it isn't made to fire at paper targets except in training.
Some of them are, absolutely.
That they can be used to kill people doesnt change that.

We have the right to arms because sometimes people need to kill other people.
That doesnt mean in any way that any given class of firearms was intended to just kill people.
 
It wasn't the difficulty of killing wild animals that caused people to move from a match lock to the full metal jacket... or smooth bore to rifled.


IT WAS WAR.


If there were no war we'd be living in skins and killing animals with spears. Or maybe clubs.




There's a virtue to war... it punishes weakness... don't breed fast enough and you get out numbered... don't invest in technology... get out classed by tech... don't train for war... face better trained enemy forces...


There's a demonic elegance to war... and without it I wonder if many of us would have ever left the trees let alone the caves.
 
It wasn't the difficulty of killing wild animals that caused people to move from a match lock to the full metal jacket... or smooth bore to rifled.
IT WAS WAR.
Yes.

And as I have said, the right to arms is all about people having the means to kill other people.

But that doesnt mean my DCM AR-15 was built with the purpose to kill people.
 
Yes.

And as I have said, the right to arms is all about people having the means to kill other people.

But that doesnt mean my DCM AR-15 was built with the purpose to kill people.
Nor was I built with the purpose to kill people... but much of design as a human being stresses that ability.


Your DCM AR-15's predecessors WERE designed to kill people. The designs that preceded it were specifically engineered for that purpose. It is a killing machine. You can use that machine to do what ever you want. It doesn't change what it is...


I'm not arguing with you here that most people buy guns for recreation... I'm just saying that isn't really what they're for in the same sense that music isn't supposed to be psychological torture... play the same annoying song over and over again at full volume however and it becomes a weapon.


Is britney spears music a weapon?


Because if your gun isn't a killing machine then spear's music can by the same token be said to be a psychological torture device.
 
There's a virtue to war... it punishes weakness... don't breed fast enough and you get out numbered... don't invest in technology... get out classed by tech... don't train for war... face better trained enemy forces...

However, humans are a single species- interspecies 'war' is to determine which one dies off. All human war is stupid in principle- at least, every beginning of a war (WW2 was necessary to enter once Hitler started it, etc.). Rather than punishing weakness, we should try to help the weak. Most war technology nowadays is a waste of time, as it doesn't help humanity advance, but rather decline.

There's a demonic elegance to war... and without it I wonder if many of us would have ever left the trees let alone the caves.

The first ones would have left the trees, then showed the others what a sweet life it was. When people cooperate, better results are achieved than when resources are wasted on wars over greed.

Without war, we would probably have cured cancer and poverty by now- possibly even spread human rights universally.

War in itself is not the most negative invention of man- that would be hate, which starts most wars- but it is the most painful symptom of the disease.
 
However, humans are a single species- interspecies 'war' is to determine which one dies off. All human war is stupid in principle- at least, every beginning of a war (WW2 was necessary to enter once Hitler started it, etc.). Rather than punishing weakness, we should try to help the weak. Most war technology nowadays is a waste of time, as it doesn't help humanity advance, but rather decline.
I don't know if you'd like to see what the world would look like if war didn't happen.


My guess is that we probably wouldn't have evolved this level of intelligence.


We didn't need this intelligence to feed ourselves or compete with other species... chimps are considerably smarter then most other animals and do very well for themselves... when humans don't kill them.


Our brains are likely what they are because they were needed to compete with other humans or to compete with other hominids that were likewise smarter then chimps. It was a intelligence arms race.


Humans won.


Consider further that war weeds out stagnant cultures that aren't developing, weeds cultures that fail any critical objective... something as simple as breeding at an acceptable rate is an example... if your group breeds half as fast as another group you're in competition with then you'll probably lose.

This is why for example I think most societies in the past were repressive of woman. Repressed woman tend to breed more often. Which means your society has a larger population.



The first ones would have left the trees, then showed the others what a sweet life it was. When people cooperate, better results are achieved than when resources are wasted on wars over greed.
That's not how nature works. You're not just taking away war, you're adding something that doesn't exist.

War, as terrible as it is... is probably good for us. The only sad thing is really that we can't practice war anymore except against pissant little countries that don't really pose a threat if we went all out.


War forces your culture to stay strong, evolve, keep an eye out for the enemy, or die/become conquered/be enslaved/be raped.

Without war, we would probably have cured cancer and poverty by now- possibly even spread human rights universally.
Unlikely, I'll point out to you that expertise in medicine and military expertise often went hand in hand. The romans for example were excellent doctors for their time. And the civil war in the US and WW1 in europe did much to improve medical science.


Now, both are products of science that we would have arrived at eventually, but I don't know if you can say we would have developed science were it not for real threat of conquest.


It is no mistake that chemistry was most interested in making gold (alchemy) and then immediately became interested in explosives and propellants when it became known that such things existed.

Consider rocketry... most of that came from missile research.

Even astronomy had military applications as it allowed for navigation.
War in itself is not the most negative invention of man- that would be hate, which starts most wars- but it is the most painful symptom of the disease.
No, I think it's more greed. Greed for power, greed for money, greed for honor, greed for glory.

When you have set your mind to kill something you'll invent reasons for it... oh, I hate them... oh my god tells me to... whatever.
 
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