The design purpose of guns

[watsup]

so now your argument is that an object can be designed for something but never used for that purpose rather, used for many other purposes ?

in other words .... guns are not designed to be used to kill people .... or things even .... they're designed to FIRE and many people never use them for many different purposes

which I've said all along - its how a gun is USED that anti-gunners are arguing, not how they're designed to function

The OP is correct, no matter how much confusion you try to spread, and nothing that you have said has shown otherwise.

 

[Bodi]

then why are 450 million guns in the USA not used for their design purpose each day ?

The vast majority of those are... they are generally sitting there waiting to be fired at a human.

your argument has no validity - its NOT the design purpose ... you're arguing how something is USED

Christ Almighty.

Paper was designed to write on. If people use paper to make airplanes out of that does not change the purpose of the design.

The purpose in designing paper was to write on ...
The purpose in designing guns was to kill people.

the design purpose is for a gun to fire - that's all, nothing more, nothing less. How its USED is totally up to the people who own them

I'm stunned you cannot understand this

I am pretty sure that no amount of explaining will help you understand any better, at this point.

 

[Bodi]

others have argued kill people - which is what I was referencing but then you already knew that

I don't even understand why somebody would not admit that guns were designed to kill people. Who cares? It is as stupid as those that deny that abortion kills a human being. It is just a fact. Too bad there are so many intellectually dishonest people out there.

 

[RF667799]

You mean that they were using rifles to KILL deer, as the rifles were designed to do? Thank you for confirming the OP!

There's nothing wrong with killing deer. If a rifle can be used to make killing a deer easier, that's a feature.

 

[RF667799]

The vast majority of those are... they are generally sitting there waiting to be fired at a human.



Christ Almighty.

Paper was designed to write on. If people use paper to make airplanes out of that does not change the purpose of the design.

The purpose in designing paper was to write on ...
The purpose in designing guns was to kill people.



I am pretty sure that no amount of explaining will help you understand any better, at this point.

I have a whole tablet of paper that is specifically made to assist in making paper airplanes.

 

[RF667799]

I don't even understand why somebody would not admit that guns were designed to kill people.

"Were" designed? Is this again your speculation about something you have no way of determining is fact?

Who cares? It is as stupid as those that deny that abortion kills a human being. It is just a fact. Too bad there are so many intellectually dishonest people out there.

Your analogy fails.

 

[RF667799]

Just because they aren’t doesn’t mean that they can’t.

That looks a lot like you saying the proof that guns are designed to kill is because they can be used to kill.

Careful. The Gun Control Industry will disown you.

 

[RF667799]

Rifles can indeed sometimes used to kill people, but you agreed with my claim about rifles in the OP. Thank you! Now read what the OP has to say about handguns and assault style rifles.

Assault style rifles? Are you referring to modern sporting rifles? They are overwhelmingly used for sporting purposes. Calling them "assault style" makes about as much sense as calling my granny's Plymouth a "Nascar style" car.

Would you call Ford Explorers "Parade Massacre Machines" because one was used for that?

 

[RF667799]

others have argued kill people - which is what I was referencing but then you already knew that

The intent is to move the goalposts to that eventually, or to have someone else come in an make that move.

 

[poppopfox]

The vast majority of those are... they are generally sitting there waiting to be fired at a human.



Christ Almighty.

Paper was designed to write on. If people use paper to make airplanes out of that does not change the purpose of the design.

The purpose in designing paper was to write on ...
The purpose in designing guns was to kill people.



I am pretty sure that no amount of explaining will help you understand any better, at this point.

Stealthycat has reached his peak!

 

[hecatmoggie]

Rifles can indeed sometimes used to kill people, but you agreed with my claim about rifles in the OP. Thank you! Now read what the OP has to say about handguns and assault style rifles.

a person can use an item in any manner of ways that has nothing to do with "design purpose"

1. are ropes designed for people to hang themselves with ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
2. are drugs designed for people to overdose/suicide with? no .... are they used that way ? yes
3. are cars designed to run over people and kill them ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
4. are knives designed to murder people with ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
5. are guns designed to kill people with? no .... are they used that way ? yes

you're simply wrong, .... 1,2,3,4 above you'll agree with me, they're NOT designed for those purposes but #5 you'll swear is

there is no consistency in your theory because its wrong

 

[hecatmoggie]

The vast majority of those are... they are generally sitting there waiting to be fired at a human.

are knives sitting there waiting to be used to stab people ? why not ?

Paper was designed to write on. If people use paper to make airplanes out of that does not change the purpose of the design.

ahhhh so we're back to design purpose .... lets agree, paper was designed to write on..... but people use it other ways that it wasn't designed for now, right? Printing, wrapping things in etc .......... you agree that people can use things not in their design purpose .... so too is it with guns. Its HOW people use things ... in many cases, not what they were designed for

The purpose in designing paper was to write on ...
The purpose in designing guns was to kill people.

no, "kill people" wasn't the design purpose ... "to fire" was the design purpose .... how people choose to use guns? that's up the individual

 

[hecatmoggie]

I don't even understand why somebody would not admit that guns were designed to kill people. Who cares? It is as stupid as those that deny that abortion kills a human being. It is just a fact. Too bad there are so many intellectually dishonest people out there.

guns are designed to fire

that's their design purpose

 

[watsup]

a person can use an item in any manner of ways that has nothing to do with "design purpose"

1. are ropes designed for people to hang themselves with ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
2. are drugs designed for people to overdose/suicide with? no .... are they used that way ? yes
3. are cars designed to run over people and kill them ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
4. are knives designed to murder people with ? no .... are they used that way ? yes
5. are guns designed to kill people with? no .... are they used that way ? yes

you're simply wrong, .... 1,2,3,4 above you'll agree with me, they're NOT designed for those purposes but #5 you'll swear is

there is no consistency in your theory because its wrong

We are talking about design purpose, and the OP is totally correct in that regard.

 

[watsup]

no, "kill people" wasn't the design purpose ... "to fire" was the design purpose .... how people choose to use guns? that's up the individual

guns are designed to fire

that's their design purpose

That is not their design purpose. Being able to fire is simply the way to accomplish that design purpose. Being able to fire is a FUNCTION of the gun, it is it the design purpose. You admitted back there that the purpose of a rifle is to kill animals. Thank you for confirming my OP.

 

[Bodi]

Stealthycat has reached his peak!

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LOL

 

[Bodi]

That is not their design purpose. Being able to fire is simply the way to accomplish that design purpose. Being able to fire is a FUNCTION of the gun, it is it the design purpose. You admitted back there that the purpose of a rifle is to kill animals. Thank you for confirming my OP.

He is unable to understand, or is lying about, the fact that guns were not 'designed to fire a projectile'.
Guns were 'designed to fire a projectile at a human for the purpose of killing that person'.

 

[RF667799]

That is not their design purpose. Being able to fire is simply the way to accomplish that design purpose. Being able to fire is a FUNCTION of the gun, it is it the design purpose. You admitted back there that the purpose of a rifle is to kill animals. Thank you for confirming my OP.

Any rifle? How is that you simultaneously claim one gun is designed for killing animals, one gun is designed for killing people, another gun is designed for target competition...but ALL guns are designed for killing?

You seriously can't understand the level of incomprehension it takes to promote goofy shit like that as if it's serious?

 

[RF667799]

He is unable to understand, or is lying about, the fact that guns were not 'designed to fire a projectile'.
Guns were 'designed to fire a projectile at a human for the purpose of killing that person'.

Oh. Another implied claim that you are aware of the inventor and his thoughts, way back in antiquity. It's duplicitous to try to present speculation as fact. Myself, I speculate the first guns were not very lethal. But I base that on rational consideration of what we know, not weird ideas that I can time travel.

 

[Rich2018]

"better" .... who gets to define "better" ??

In the case of laws, it's generally the legislature. Perhaps you've heard of it ?

 

[RF667799]

In the case of laws, it's generally the legislature. Perhaps you've heard of it ?

Yeah...and they haven't adopted the UK laws you claim are "better", so you must be wrong about them being "better".

 

[Lursa]

He is unable to understand, or is lying about, the fact that guns were not 'designed to fire a projectile'.
Guns were 'designed to fire a projectile at a human for the purpose of killing that person'.

That's wrong. They were designed just as much to kill for food, and to protect. Just like any other previously designed "weapon." Guns "work" when they're not even fired...their defensive purpose is to STOP a threat...if that happens when drawn but not fired, the gun did its job. And the gun also protects homes, resources, families, land, when peoples go to war...so yes fired at people...for what many consider necessary. We'd all probably like war to end tho, right? Protection and self-defense are generally considered moral purposes. Guess you shoulda read my post 1377 before writing.

 

[hecatmoggie]

We are talking about design purpose, and the OP is totally correct in that regard.

which is to fire

you don't understand mechanics - I get that .... but please try

what is the design purpose of a knife? to cut. a car? to run. a ball bat? to hit things with. a gun? to fire

you know all this - but then you try and attach an action a human does (murder) with one of the above (guns) and say that's what only the one is designed for (although the others are used occasionally for the same purpose of murder)

you are anti-gun and so you want to project a falseness and a lie - and I'm here to make sure you don't do that.

 

[hecatmoggie]

That is not their design purpose. Being able to fire is simply the way to accomplish that design purpose. Being able to fire is a FUNCTION of the gun, it is it the design purpose. You admitted back there that the purpose of a rifle is to kill animals. Thank you for confirming my OP.

you are wrong

 

[hecatmoggie]

In the case of laws, it's generally the legislature. Perhaps you've heard of it ?

so whomever is in power gets to decide "better"