The Democrats Need 21 Senate Votes They Don't Have To Remove Trump - Why Do They Persist?

[Glitch]

This is irrelevant nitpicking.

Actually, it is very relevant American history, which you obviously know nothing about.

My main point regarding this topic is that the Democratic Party was essentially the first political party in the U.S. advocating small government.

Yet another complete fabrication. At no time has the Democratic Party ever been an advocate for smaller government. That is the position of the right-wing. Democrats are all anti-American leftist freaks, every one of them, who seek an all-powerful fascist government.

Whether or not it was called the Democratic Party or Democratic-Republican Party, or whether it was really founded by Jefferson or Jackson, simply does not matter.

You still have no clue. The Democratic-Republican Party was nothing like the Democratic Party. Just like the Democratic-Republican Party is nothing like the Republican Party. The Democratic-Republican Party existed between 1800 and 1828, and has not existed since. They are two completely separate political parties. Your ignorance of American history is astounding.

And you didn't even address my other point, because Trumpsters are not capable of introspection -- You Trump cultists are consumed by your hatred of Democrats, and you can't recognize the greater evil staring you right in the face -- Donald J. Trump.

Considering the atrocities the Democratic Party is responsible for, especially the hundreds of thousands of American lives they have killed and imprisoned, you would be pretty stupid not to hate that kind of evil. With regard to Trump, he was also a registered Democrat. One of your ilk.

All rational, coherent thought left the brains of you Trumpsters at least a decade ago. This became readily apparent with your love affair of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party shortly thereafter. And it was due primarily to President Obama being a black man.

Not only are you completely ignorant of American history, you are also a bigot. A very common trait among Democrats. It was also not "Trumpsters" or anyone else destroying property and violently attacking people after losing every election. So you certainly can't claim Democrats are rational or coherent, just vile anti-American scum.

 

[Glitch]

They've got a ways to go before the start murdering people like at the Unite the Right Rally or causing millions of dollars in damage like both the winners and losers of the Super Bowl. I don't condone violence - ever - and I think people who cause property damage or come to rallies with baseball bats need to grow up. That's childish. But let's not pretend that there are children who are very conservative and/or very racist who bomb synagogues, send bombs to lawmakers and promote conspiracy theories that lead to insane stories like a man going into a pizza parlor with a gun because he believes that Hillary Clinton eats babies. All of those things happened, right? So let's not play "my dad is better than your dad."

Democrats have been murdering people for 190 years. Every neo-NAZI is a leftist Democrat. As are members of the Anti-First Amendment (ANTIFA) terrorist organization, and the KKK. Democrats are responsible for EVERY domestic terrorist organization in the US. If you are a registered Democrat then you condone violence, always. Which is one of the reasons Democrats are a threat. The Democratic Party needs to be treated like the criminal terrorist organization it truly is and has always been.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Democrats have been murdering people for 190 years. Learn some history. If you are a registered Democrat then you condone violence, always. Which is one of the reasons Democrats are a threat. The Democratic Party needs to be treated like the criminal terrorist organization it truly is and has always been.

You misspelled conservatives. I'm guessing that you were referring to things like the Klan and such. Those people were conservatives as assuredly as they were racists and bigots.

At least try to be intellectually honest about the ****.

 

[Glitch]

You misspelled conservatives. I'm guessing that you were referring to things like the Klan and such. Those people were conservatives as assuredly as they were racists and bigots.

At least try to be intellectually honest about the ****.

No, I did not misspell anything. Democrats began their reign of terror by slaughtering more than 6,000 native Americans in the Trail of Tears during the 1830s. Democrats continued their murder spree by killing more than 640,000 Americans in the Civil War they started to preserve slavery (only Democrats owned slaves by 1860). In addition to the hundreds of lynching by Democrats after the Civil War, Democrats imprisoned tens of thousands of Americans without due process, stealing their property in the process. These are only a couple of the many Democrat atrocities, not counting the terrorist organizations Democrats have created like the KKK and the neo-NAZIs.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

No, I did not misspell anything. Democrats began their reign of terror by slaughtering more than 6,000 native Americans in the Trail of Tears during the 1830s. Democrats continued their murder spree by killing more than 640,000 Americans in the Civil War they started to preserve slavery (only Democrats owned slaves by 1860). In addition to the hundreds of lynching by Democrats after the Civil War, Democrats imprisoned tens of thousands of Americans without due process, stealing their property in the process. These are only a couple of the many Democrat atrocities, not counting the terrorist organizations Democrats have created like the KKK and the neo-NAZIs.

Yep.....and those Democrats were the conservatives of thier time. You want to win on the name calling thing, so be it. Just realize you lose horribly on the intent thing.

Nobody has ever died for a political party name. Many people have died for an ideology. One is far more important than the other.....and you damn well know it, which is why you keep taking the 6h grade route and arguing it based on party name and not what those parties stood for at the time.

You do you.

 

[Glitch]

Yep.....and those Democrats were the conservatives of thier time.

No, they were not and never have been. Democrats have always been about centralizing and expanding the size and scope of government because that is what leftists do. The Whig Party (at the time the Democratic Party was formed in 1828) became the party of conservatives who advocate for a small government with limited powers. The Whig Party eventually became the Republican Party in 1856. The Democratic Party has always consisted of vile anti-American leftist scum, always.

I understand your leftist indoctrination center (a.k.a. public school) never taught you American history, but that is no excuse for not knowing it. Pick up a book and get a clue.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

No, they were not and never have been. Democrats have always been about centralizing and expanding the size and scope of government because that is what leftists do. The Whig Party (at the time the Democratic Party was formed in 1828) became the party of conservatives who advocate for a small government with limited powers. The Whig Party eventually became the Republican Party in 1856. The Democratic Party has always consisted of vile anti-American leftist scum, always.

I understand your leftist indoctrination center (a.k.a. public school) never taught you American history, but that is no excuse for not knowing it. Pick up a book and get a clue.

Yeah....that explains why those who opposed Lincoln referred to him as everything but a flaming liberal, right?

Face it, you don't know what you are talking about. You sound like Bobby Boucher telling the world that momma told him Alexander Graham Bell and Ben Franklin are the devil.

I'm guessing that you are also going to try to convince us all that its just a coincidence that the very area where that sentiment was the strongest miraculously became the bread and butter voting block for conservatism later on too, right?

You are a hoot.

 

[Glitch]

Yeah....that explains why those who opposed Lincoln referred to him as everything but a flaming liberal, right?

Those who opposed Lincoln were Democrats, every single one of them eager to preserve slavery. If you recall, it was Lincoln who freed the slaves, as Democrats killed Americans in order to keep slaves. Yet you think that Democrats were somehow the preservers of liberty, rather than those who fought against liberty. That is rather remarkable and takes a special kind of stupid to believe that nonsense.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Actually, it is very relevant American history, which you obviously know nothing about.

Yet another complete fabrication. At no time has the Democratic Party ever been an advocate for smaller government. That is the position of the right-wing. Democrats are all anti-American leftist freaks, every one of them, who seek an all-powerful fascist government.

You still have no clue. The Democratic-Republican Party was nothing like the Democratic Party. Just like the Democratic-Republican Party is nothing like the Republican Party. The Democratic-Republican Party existed between 1800 and 1828, and has not existed since. They are two completely separate political parties. Your ignorance of American history is astounding.

Considering the atrocities the Democratic Party is responsible for, especially the hundreds of thousands of American lives they have killed and imprisoned, you would be pretty stupid not to hate that kind of evil. With regard to Trump, he was also a registered Democrat. One of your ilk.

Not only are you completely ignorant of American history, you are also a bigot. A very common trait among Democrats. It was also not "Trumpsters" or anyone else destroying property and violently attacking people after losing every election. So you certainly can't claim Democrats are rational or coherent, just vile anti-American scum.

And what did Jefferson and the Democratic-Republican Party advocate? I rest my case, you lose.

I have a Bachelor's degree in History and I think I probably do know more than you. You talk about how the Democratic-Republican Party and the Democratic Party are different, but you don't explain how. They essentially had the same political views (i.e. small government), as my Wikipedia link showed. There is no substance in your response, just more Democrat-hating bull****.

Do you enjoy venting your spleen in every post?

And Jefferson and Jackson were both advocates of small government, so were both of their respective political parties. Actually, they were both the same political party, but who cares anymore. You obviously are delusional if you don't understand this basic historical fact.

And you Trumpsters are bigots. That's why your hero Trump spread that bull**** about Obama being a Muslim born in Kenya.

 

[Glitch]

And what did Jefferson and the Democratic-Republican Party advocate?

You apparently haven't grasped that the Democratic Party broke away from the Party of Jefferson because they no longer held Jeffersonian beliefs in a small and limited government. In other words, the Democratic Party was created in direct opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party.

Democrats sought to expand the size and scope of government in 1828, just as they do today. Absolutely nothing has changed.

I have a Bachelor's degree in History and I think I probably do know more than you.

It is already very evident that you do not. You had no clue when or who founded the Democratic Party. You erroneous think that the Party of Jefferson was the Democratic Party. It wasn't, not even close. The Democratic Party is the antithesis of the Democratic-Republican Party.

You need to pick up a real history book and stop referencing Wikipedia which has no credibility. It is very obvious that you have absolutely no clue who Andrew Jackson was, other than he appears on a $20 bill.

That's why your hero Trump spread that bull**** about Obama being a Muslim born in Kenya.

Actually, that lie - along with the lie about Russian collusion - was started by your hero the criminal Hillary Clinton. Trump just jumped on Hillary's bandwagon. Trump was a registered Democrat and a huge Clinton supporter in 2008. He would have preferred Hillary to be President, but he also supported Obama. At least until 2012 when Trump decided to run for President, again. Then he registered as a Republican.

Trump has been a registered member of at least four different political parties.

 

[3leftsdoo]

It forces the GOP senator to go on record as supporting Trump's behavior. It hitches them to his wagon, and when we ditch him in 2020, we hope that some of them will go with him.

I get how that doesn't make much sense if you think there's no legitimacy to the charges, but there's no objective way to look at Trump's behavior, most especially since these issues came to light, and read innocent.

These charges have teeth. If the GOP Senate spikes it without an even-handed trial, those same objective viewers will rightly see a whitewash that lands right in the GOP's lap. If they have an even-handed trial, then additional evidence will probably come to light, splattering them with more of Trump's ****.

After that, it's just election math.

So that's why.

So it's a craven/deranged political witch hunt doomed to failure.

And ensures that the next Republican House will torment the next Democrat president. (If there ever is one.)

Gottit.

:thumbs:

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

You apparently haven't grasped that the Democratic Party broke away from the Party of Jefferson because they no longer held Jeffersonian beliefs in a small and limited government. In other words, the Democratic Party was created in direct opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party.

Democrats sought to expand the size and scope of government in 1828, just as they do today. Absolutely nothing has changed.

It is already very evident that you do not. You had no clue when or who founded the Democratic Party. You erroneous think that the Party of Jefferson was the Democratic Party. It wasn't, not even close. The Democratic Party is the antithesis of the Democratic-Republican Party.

You need to pick up a real history book and stop referencing Wikipedia which has no credibility. It is very obvious that you have absolutely no clue who Andrew Jackson was, other than he appears on a $20 bill.

Actually, that lie - along with the lie about Russian collusion - was started by your hero the criminal Hillary Clinton. Trump just jumped on Hillary's bandwagon. Trump was a registered Democrat and a huge Clinton supporter in 2008. He would have preferred Hillary to be President, but he also supported Obama. At least until 2012 when Trump decided to run for President, again. Then he registered as a Republican.

Trump has been a registered member of at least four different political parties.

Everything that you posted about Jefferson and Jackson and the Democratic Party is utter horse****:

The Democratic Party is one of the two major contemporary political parties in the United States, along with its main rival, the Republican Party. Tracing its heritage back to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's Democratic-Republican Party, the modern-day Democratic Party was founded around 1828 by supporters of Andrew Jackson, making it the world's oldest active political party.[18]

In its early years, the Party supported limited government, state sovereignty and opposed banks and the abolition of slavery.

Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia

Andrew Jackson was absolutely an advocate of small government. What the hell are you talking about? --

Jackson's philosophy as president was similar to that of Jefferson, advocating Republican values held by the Revolutionary generation. Jackson took a moral tone, with the belief that agrarian sympathies, and a limited view of states rights and the federal government, would produce less corruption.

Andrew Jackson - Wikipedia

Jackson believed in a limited view of government, which is why he wanted to shut down the Second Bank of the United States, which was one of the biggest political battles of his Presidency.

Your ranting and raving about the "evil" Democrats from 180 - 200 years ago is really bizarre. And pretty ****ing creepy, if you want to know the honest truth.

I think you are getting your information from some ultra right-wing, racist Trump cultist source. That's what I think.

And Trump spread the lies about Obama being born in Kenya more than anybody. Because most Repug voters are racists and they eat that **** up.

 

[WillyPete]

So it's a craven/deranged political witch hunt doomed to failure.

And ensures that the next Republican House will torment the next Democrat president. (If there ever is one.)

Gottit.

:thumbs:

No, it's a relatively clever attempt to force the GOP into a situation where they only have options that make them look bad.

Either they spike it, and get painted as unfair (having moaned about fairness during the House inquiry) or they hold a relatively fair trial, and more information gets to the public about just how out of whack Trump is.

And do as you will with future president's, but it's fairly amazing that so many don't see how the anti-Trump forces draw inspiration from the Right's behavior under Obama.

Turn about is indeed fair play.

 

[Mustachio]

Democrats have been murdering people for 190 years. Every neo-NAZI is a leftist Democrat. As are members of the Anti-First Amendment (ANTIFA) terrorist organization, and the KKK. Democrats are responsible for EVERY domestic terrorist organization in the US. If you are a registered Democrat then you condone violence, always. Which is one of the reasons Democrats are a threat. The Democratic Party needs to be treated like the criminal terrorist organization it truly is and has always been.

That's a really cool opinion. Call David Duke and you guys can talk!

 

[Glitch]

Everything that you posted about Jefferson and Jackson and the Democratic Party is utter horse****:


Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia

Andrew Jackson - Wikipedia

Wait, I thought you were suppose to be a history major. And you are citing Wikipedia? ROFL! Your lies have been exposed, yet again.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Wait, I thought you were suppose to be a history major. And you are citing Wikipedia? ROFL! Your lies have been exposed, yet again.

What's in these Wikipedia links is the same historical information that I and thousands of other Americans learned in high school and college. Grow up.

If you can refute it, then provide a source other than your own nonsensical proclamations. I'm not interested in your crazy right-wing opinions.

You are either making up your Democrat-hating nonsense or you are pulling it from an ultra right-wing source. Whatever source you're using is total bull****.

 

[joko104]

You investigate a suspect for bank robbery and find enough evidence to indict. However, you not only know who the ultimate jury members will be, but you also know that every jury member is a member of the suspect's family, and they've all publicly vowed to acquit without even seeing the evidence.

So do you, as the investigator, choose to indict, even knowing the inevitable outcome? Or do you let the bank robber go in order to spare everybody's time?

A perfectly amoral investigator who is fundamentally a police-state Nazi who routinely engages in police abuse would indict.

Obtaining an indictment with it known conviction under the rule of law is impossible is pure corruption - and therefore then new Fascist Democratic Party would do exactly that. There is NOTHING the Democratic Party hates MORE than the US Constitution along with the Bill Of Rights.

 

[3leftsdoo]

This is something most Trump cultists have in common psychologically -- their hatred of Democrats and liberals in general consumes all rational thought, and blinds them to the fact that they support something far worse than Dems or liberals -- a corrupt despot, racist, and traitor like Donald J. Trump.

Ironic.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Oh absolutely. Even when properly seen as part of a trend of presidents eager to expand and abuse the powers of their office, trump is a new low.

The war crimes of Bush II and Obama were an appalling - though hardly new - low.

:hm

 

[Robertinfremont]

This is something most Trump cultists have in common psychologically -- their hatred of Democrats and liberals in general consumes all rational thought, and blinds them to the fact that they support something far worse than Dems or liberals -- a corrupt despot, racist, and traitor like Donald J. Trump.

You completely misunderstand. We do not hate the Democrats, we just hate you.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

You completely misunderstand. We do not hate the Democrats, we just hate you.

No, you hate all Democrats.

You know Trump is guilty, you just don't care. You just want Trump to "win" because of your irrational loathing of Democrats. Pathetic.

 

[Robertinfremont]

No, you hate all Democrats.

You know Trump is guilty, you just don't care. You just want Trump to "win" because of your irrational loathing of Democrats. Pathetic.

I will be straight arrow with you. I do not accept that Trump is guilty of the Democrats charges. They rode the horse and will fall from that horse. And now they are more angry.

Do I hate all Democrats? I can say that based on what the Democratic party politicians keep doing, I do hate them. But you? I can't hate a person who only jaw bones me and causes me not one bit of distress. If you think you hurt my feelings, I do not go by feeling as to politics. My feelings are saved for my kin and those friends who actually know me.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I will be straight arrow with you. I do not accept that Trump is guilty of the Democrats charges. They rode the horse and will fall from that horse. And now they are more angry.


Do I hate all Democrats? I can say that based on what the Democratic party politicians keep doing, I do hate them. But you? I can't hate a person who only jaw bones me and causes me not one bit of distress. If you think you hurt my feelings, I do not go by feeling as to politics. My feelings are saved for my kin and those friends who actually know me.

You don't accept that Trump is guilty even though people who work for him like Ambassador Sondland think Trump is guilty. Think about that -- a guy who gave $1 million to Trump's inauguration now believes Trump committed impeachable offenses. He's in a better position to know than you are.

You said earlier that you hate me. Poor guy, you're confused. I will help you with your Trump cultist affliction any way that I can.

 

[Robertinfremont]

You don't accept that Trump is guilty even though people who work for him like Ambassador Sondland think Trump is guilty. Think about that -- a guy who gave $1 million to Trump's inauguration now believes Trump committed impeachable offenses. He's in a better position to know than you are.

You said earlier that you hate me. Poor guy, you're confused. I will help you with your Trump cultist affliction any way that I can.

I hate you? Well that simply is not true. I do hate your beloved politicians in DC though.

Sondland was asked to name any impeachable offense by Trump and he said he had no idea.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

I hate you? Well that simply is not true. I do hate your beloved politicians in DC though.

Sondland was asked to name any impeachable offense by Trump and he said he had no idea.

Sondland doesn't have to be a legal expert on impeachable offenses. That's not his job. He believed Trump did something wrong and he testified to that.

In case you forgot, over 500 legal scholars agree with Sondland:

More than 500 legal scholars sign letter saying Trump committed 'impeachable conduct' - CNNPolitics