The Deep State -"Revealed"

[Moderate Right]

What they meant was there is no Deep State, on the side of Democratic Democracy Loving People, they may not have had a term to describe what the Right Winger were doing, but they have figured it out. That the term coined by Right Wingers of "Deep State" was describing themselves. ( I explained this at the beginning of this thread!! ( which means again, you can't comprehend what you read).

You can fight the Truth all you want, but the Truth has never been defeated, nor will it ever be defeated. Truth is Supreme!!! - God is Truth and God's Words has never supported nor promoted the vile and malice of Money Obsessions, Malice Upon and Against Other Persons, nor has it supported or endorsed Vain Pride, Gluttony, Avarice, nor the desecration of Nature or Civil Nature and Civic Principles of Society.

Most of the Old Heads that fill these sites have great difficult facing Truths, because they have built their lives based on the lies and malice of Inhumanity. They have made Money Their God, and Worship Man as Their Leader and Guide... For Them to learn to change and awaken out of the cycles of hellish creation they support, would break them in ways they don't have the strength to turn to the principles of God's Truth.

"Racism is a Vice of The Weak" !!!!

"Prejudice is The Vice of Fools" !!!

"Worship and Lust For Money is the Vice of Gluttons" !!!

"Vanity and Pride is the Vice of Those who seek Power"!!!

"Worship of Man, is the Vice of Fools"!!!


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LOL. What you're saying is that Obama didn't have a deep state but Trump and the right do. Do any rays of light even creep into you to see how partisanly blind that is? You guys said there is no deep state and now you are saying there is. Whatever is politically expedient for you. And, if Biden wins all we will be hearing is that, yes, there is a deep state. You guys are just way too funny.

 

[RealityNow]

LOL. What you're saying is that Obama didn't have a deep state but Trump and the right do. Do any rays of light even creep into you to see how partisanly blind that is? You guys said there is no deep state and now you are saying there is. Whatever is politically expedient for you. And, if Biden wins all we will be hearing is that, yes, there is a deep state. You guys are just way too funny.

You simply don't grasp what you read...

LOL. What you're saying is that Obama didn't have a deep state but Trump and the right do. Do any rays of light even creep into you to see how partisanly blind that is? You guys said there is no deep state and now you are saying there is. Whatever is politically expedient for you. And, if Biden wins all we will be hearing is that, yes, there is a deep state. You guys are just way too funny.

You continue to show that you don't comprehend well..... https://debatepolitics.com/threads/the-deep-state-revealed.421390/post-1072667875
Your desperation to avoid truths you can't face, makes you look continually insidious... should I give you the definition of "Imbecile'.

 

[Moderate Right]

You simply don't grasp what you read...

You continue to show that you don't comprehend well..... https://debatepolitics.com/threads/the-deep-state-revealed.421390/post-1072667875
Your desperation to avoid truths you can't face, makes you look continually insidious... should I give you the definition of "Imbecile'.

The truth is the left have made it quite clear - there is no deep state.

 

[RealityNow]

The truth is the left have made it quite clear - there is no deep state.

You believed in Deep State, as long as you could deflect and try and claim it as a Democratic construct, now that it's clear that it's its a Right Wing Conservative Construct (Confederate Construct).. now you want to deny it exist. You are about equal to the spin madness of McConnel and Graham, who are devoted to "Flip Flopping into a Direct Lie.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Shows the complete and total hypocrisy. First they say there is no deep state and then they say there is. Then they expect others to take them seriously.

Its just using the tools presented to them and if one party isn't in good faith, why not both. Fight fire with fire.

 

[gino]

Unfortunately, the average poster here just doesn't understand the truth. The truth is, neither of the parties are there to help the average person. Every time I see a thread like this one, who thinks that the fight is liberal vs conservative, I just shake my head. The same groups pay off the Democrat politicians as the Republican politicians. Let's face it, big corporations have paid off all of Washington, and they get what they want, doesn't matter which side is in office.

They get us to fight among ourselves, so we don't fight the real enemy.

 

[Ikari]

The Deep State -"Revealed"

The Truth has finally been put forth: The Deep State, Republican always speak about... has been a great deflecting deference to try and blind Americans to The Deep State.

The Groups headed by Big Corporate Donor's - which include The Citizens United, the same group who promote through the Court, the claim that Corporations as Person.


Senator Sheldon Whitehouse and other Democrats have finally solved the mystery of why Republican continue to talk about "Deep State".. The same as how they say one thing but mean another, how they try and paint one group to keep them from seeing the real truth, its the "Game of Deference" they are the Agents of The Deep State.



They used this same ideology to promote the concept of "Corporate Personhood" - as a Tool for Dominance and Submission Programming. The Business vs Person conflict and surrender connected with dominance and submission are enduring themes in human White Male Dominated Ideology within Society and and White Male Dominated Ideology of White Male Owned and Run Corporations - They have used these "ideologies" to pursue the domination over Civil Society For Centuries. It was a theme that was a foundational act that led to Slavery, Segregation, it led to White Men declaring themselves the only "Person", and Women were considered as Non-Person, and they went further to give priority in all things to Wealthy White Men, White Men who owned Property, (including labeling black people as property).. This ideology has damaged civilization for Centuries.

It's Time America People and People of The World Know The Truth. This Truth is at the Core of the Ideology of White Nationalism, even among the Poor White, who have a desperate vain wish and desire that one day they might Join the ranks of the Wealthy While Male Dominance, Better Known as The Orchestrator of "The Deep State".. It's a form of Plutocracy, that Undermines Democracy, For Society, because They Consider Democracy is Only For Wealthy White Men who are Wealthy Industrialist.

Poor and Working Poor White as Used as Pawns and Guardian Foot Soldiers with a role to Protect the System of White Nationalism, which is controlled by Wealthy White Men who are Wealthy Industrialist.

This is within and at the Root of Racism, Gender Bias, Wage Inequity, Credit Debt Indenturing of The People, and the Authoritarian Motivation of Right Wing Ideology, and Their Desperation to Dominate The Supreme Court.

THIS IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS
"THE DEEP STATE"
It has been undermining
American Democracy For Centuries​

So the Deep State is just the Corporate State?

I mean, both the R and the D love the Corporate State, they've been pushing it for quite some time now.

 

[Moderate Right]

You believed in Deep State, as long as you could deflect and try and claim it as a Democratic construct, now that it's clear that it's its a Right Wing Conservative Construct (Confederate Construct).. now you want to deny it exist. You are about equal to the spin madness of McConnel and Graham, who are devoted to "Flip Flopping into a Direct Lie.

The deep state exists and has always existed. Presidents make appointments and those appointees make hiring decisions and it all leads to a deep state. An eight year president has more time to institute their deep state better than a four year president does. Obama had an eight year deep state and Trump has had four years to start his own deep state. I laugh because you guys claimed there was no such thing as a deep state and now you make a thread saying there is. I knew if Biden either won this year or a Democrat won in 2024 you guys would come out of the woodwork claiming there is a deep state after all. You just did it quicker than I thought.

 

[Moderate Right]

Its just using the tools presented to them and if one party isn't in good faith, why not both. Fight fire with fire.

What's funny is that you guys claim to be the party of tolerance and the party of the moral high ground and then when you get the short end of the stick you dig deeper in the mud than the other party did. All I'm saying is that if you aren't going to take the moral high ground then don't claim you are on the moral high ground. Admit that when the other side goes low you can go even lower. If you believe in the values that you claim you do then you should actually be taking the moral high ground. Otherwise, you aren't any better than the other party you claim to despise.

 

[Grandpappy]

The leftists are correct. There is no entrenched bureaucracy in government that resents being forced into more efficient work practices and the loss of their little fiefdoms built up over years of incompetency. None. Doesn't bloody exist. Just ain't real.

 

[RealityNow]

Unfortunately, the average poster here just doesn't understand the truth. The truth is, neither of the parties are there to help the average person. Every time I see a thread like this one, who thinks that the fight is liberal vs conservative, I just shake my head. The same groups pay off the Democrat politicians as the Republican politicians. Let's face it, big corporations have paid off all of Washington, and they get what they want, doesn't matter which side is in office.

They get us to fight among ourselves, so we don't fight the real enemy.

You are exactly correct... there have always been "Right Leaning Democrats" as well as Right Leaning Wealthy and Wealthy Industrialist, who support the Plutocratic Autocracy.. Those politicians who actually respect "The Declaration of Independence" as being FOR ALL PEOPLE, and respect The Values and Principles of The Preamble FOR ALL PEOPLE, and Respect The Values, System, Principles and Standards FOR ALL PEOPLE, are not that many. BUT, there are some. They generally reside within the make up of those who understand the LIBERAL PRINCIPLES of The Declaration of Independence, The Liberal Values and Principle laid out in The Preamble, and the Liberal Values, System, Principle and Standards laid out in The Constitution.

There is basically two groups in America.
THOSE WHO BELIVE IN:

1. PEOPLE BEFORE INDUSTRY AND THAT PEOPLE MAKE INDUSTRY FUNCTION
2. INDUSTRY BEFOR PEOPLE AND THAT INDUSTRY CONTROL SOCIETY AND PEOPLE

Raw Fact is: People make the Economy, Industry is designed to Serve People, not People to Serve Industry. It is People's Labor that Makes Industry Function and Prosper by and through the collective works of the people.

People Are Deluded To Think "The Stock Market" is the Economy. When fact is, The Original Design of The Stock Market, was simple!! It was designed that people and organization and institutions could "Invest" in THE STABLILITY, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGED GROWTH OF INDUSTRY... and that again is the principle of "People Sustaining Industry" for the benefit of All.

It's not that complex to understand.

The confounding matter has been and is, that Industry has convinced people that it alone is the basis and controller of how society function and if it prospers. But reality is... it is People who make that decision.

When people no longer trust industry, don't trust or care for the poor quality of products, or the excessive cost of low grade goods, they do not patronize that industry and that industry suffers and eventually will fail.

The shell game of pretense and excessive Advertisement fiction has confounded the system, where pretentious ads are used as lure, and the uncontrolled excessive expansion has pretended that one business has more market shares of consumer than it actually has. They over stock to pretend they are performing, and liquidate that stock for pennies and nickels on the dollar, and create secondary market to unload that stock, so they can re-stock and claim they are moving products and profiting, Yet, the Balance Sheet Tells The Truth... when investors are told, that "Dividends will not meet the projected fictions, so, the game then turns to "speculation based trading frenzy"; where stocks are traded based on pure speculation at 300+ times their actual valuation, and then the company borrows against that speculative value, until it become debt heavy, and is consumed by another company and discard that debt either by bankruptcy or sell off of assets and shutter the business. Its like knocking over stake dominoes, and restack them and tumble them over and over the cycle repeats itself. The looser is always to the small players...the workers, and ultimately the communities and cities, counties and states. That's the cycle of systemic despair among workers, communities, cities, counties and states.

Most people don't even give time to think about these things, because they are trapped into the grind of trying to keep a roof over their head and food on the table... they see it as too complex and they fell to inadequate to comprehend and too weak to do anything about it, so they "do all they can not to think about it or learn about it." The People crying "We've Been Left Behind"... have succumb to hopelessness, and they will grab at any fiction that pretend to stand against the man made malice, when in fact.. the pretenders.. is only in place to delude.

It takes an educated society to advance and change and grow, Democracy itself is designed for The Educated Mind. That's why it has a premise of Free Thinking and Free Speech. But it takes Education to Learn to be A Free Thinking Individual, and its takes Education to Utilize Free Speech to Support and Promote Democracy's Values and Principles for All People.

 

[RealityNow]

Unfortunately, the average poster here just doesn't understand the truth. The truth is, neither of the parties are there to help the average person. Every time I see a thread like this one, who thinks that the fight is liberal vs conservative, I just shake my head. The same groups pay off the Democrat politicians as the Republican politicians. Let's face it, big corporations have paid off all of Washington, and they get what they want, doesn't matter which side is in office.

They get us to fight among ourselves, so we don't fight the real enemy.

You are correct: The average poster, and those who don't even visit or participate in Forums, not only DON'T understand the Truth; The Real Truth Frightens The Hell Out of Them... and they become susceptible to being "Divided and Conquered"...

From the Early Days of America... The vast majority of people were "UNEDUCATED", many had not idea of what Democracy was or is, nor did they understand what or how Governance was designed to function. The values and principles of The Preamble, to many were nothing more than a collection of words.
They certainly did not understand the system of Capitalism as Adopted as the Median System For Exchange.

We've seen it over and over where Ponzi Schemes have fleeced people over and over- Because They Trust Men, and do not invest themselves to Learn how to manage and intelligent invest their own money. We've seen countless people loose vast amounts of money, by con men and shysters and swindlers, selling them "fiction" while dressed in fancy clothes and surrounded by opulence. They remain unaware, it is their money that bought those clothes and those material things they fawn over. So, they become prime picking to be fleeced and left economically despaired.

People don't get it.. IF the premise is "Investing" based on publicly available information, then one should ask.. why do they not read the information for themselves? "It's because many feel fully incapable of comprehending what they read"... and they are mentally too lazy and callous to do their own research. A Trader who gets paid by the act of the Trade... has no deep concern for the Investor, because they get paid, whether the investor win, loose or draw on the balance sheet. He who does not manage his own money, has chosen to become a willing and participating victim within his own losses.

 

[RealityNow]

The deep state exists and has always existed. Presidents make appointments and those appointees make hiring decisions and it all leads to a deep state. An eight year president has more time to institute their deep state better than a four year president does. Obama had an eight year deep state and Trump has had four years to start his own deep state. I laugh because you guys claimed there was no such thing as a deep state and now you make a thread saying there is. I knew if Biden either won this year or a Democrat won in 2024 you guys would come out of the woodwork claiming there is a deep state after all. You just did it quicker than I thought.

You have no idea what the Thread is About..... yet you just keep talking to be talking.

You need to read your History, because what is the make up goes back to the initial bastardization of The Declaration of Independence, and the usurpations of The Constitution by "Wealthy White Men and Wealthy Industrialist".

If you understood, these early men created the system of "Divide and Conquer" when they chose to engage in Slavery, Indentured Servitude, Gender Repression, and Declared that "Only White Men" were considered as Person, and Only those considered as Person could vote. They saw Democracy as being "For The Wealthy Among The Wealthy".... for the Masses it was about Plutocratic Autocracy, as making themselves a Faux Monarchy with Authoritarian dictations, and they did it by the Contortion of The Constitution, and the System of Governance The Constitution Established.

I am certain you don't understand that .... mainly because the people who crafted and constructed the history books, were adamant to create it based on the agenda they desired to promote. Before the Internet, the average person had limited means to "Research", even as Libraries were made available, the poor had little time to go there, because it took all their time to pay the rent, provide food and pay their credit debt.

The 21st Century began with the premise and principle as THE AGE OF INFORMATION.. and tools have been designed to make it widespread and universally available. Now, even the layman can learn... the poor can research, and the uneducated can become informed and eventually become knowledgeable.

The GREAT CHANGE is already underway in this 21st Century... not only in America.. but Around The World. The upheaval exist on every continent... as information has given people strength in understanding how and why their challenges have been such a burden and devastating impact on generations of their lineage. It is only in the early stages of Transforming The Entire World.
SMART NATIONS have already began the process of Developing COOPERATIVE MUTUAL BENEFIT AGREEMENTS, and abandoned the old system of Imperialist approaches to World Relations.

 

[RealityNow]

The 21st Century began with the premise and principle as THE AGE OF INFORMATION.. and tools have been designed to make it widespread and universally available. Now, even the layman can learn... the poor can research, and the uneducated can become informed and eventually become knowledgeable.

The AIIB, is a collective on All Nation except, America, Mexico and Japan, but Japan has recognize its need to become involved.
Most American people don't even know what the AIIB is... Nor do they know that the Bretton Woods Accords After World War II was a system that was in place to rebuild Industry and Trade and Manage Global Currency Valuations. It went through Bretton Woods Accord II... once Nation became functioning and productive, and no longer needed the firm constraints that were controlled by Western Society, with American influence have too much dictatorial control. The World Bank has become too much influenced by American Imperialism... The AIIB.. may over time adopt a different Name... Because it is not simply about Asian... It is about "Infrastructure Creation" for the Cooperative Mutual Benefit Agreement of Resources Producing Nations, and the Trade of Good, from Raw Materials to Manufactured End User Goods. It will adopt an exchange currency, that values nations on a more par basis... This is something the average person does not even fathom as possible or practical.. Lessons have been learn... Nations that were a part of the European Union, are now members of the AIIB...

The U.S. promotes this maddening fear of China... Fact is China DOES NOT want the responsibility of being an Imperialist Leader... China learned the atrocities of such Imperialism and the damages it does to people, society and civility, and they watched and see the chaos and war making madness it has led the United States to create and engage.
China has 1.5x Billion People and a Vast Nation to Develop... and advance.. it does not have time to deal with the craziness that trying to adopt western democracy would bring at this time in their history. They however, have made and will continue to make Democratic Reforms, but they know they have a Billion People they must first "educated", but first they must being them up from Dire Poverty, and Out of Clannish Mentality.. which is a generation undertaking. American tries to measure, judge and dictates their pace of progress, but China has gained the strength that it no longer has to accept nor follow such force of dictations.

We have to stop with the propaganda machines mentality and actually step back and look at the world with non imperialist interpretations.

 

[RealityNow]

So the Deep State is just the Corporate State?

I mean, both the R and the D love the Corporate State, they've been pushing it for quite some time now.

Think in terms of what is the understanding the word "Corporate"-

Definition of "corporate"

1a: formed into an association and endowed by law with the rights and liabilities of an individual : INCORPORATED
b: of or relating to a corporation a plan to reorganize the corporate structure
c: of, relating to, or being the large corporations of a country or region considered as a unit the latest trend in corporate America
d: having qualities (such as commercialism or lack of originality) associated with large corporations or attributed to their influence or control

We have a society that use words, but often the lesser understanding of the dimensional context and perspective of words meaning... is common.

Think of what is an "Incorporated City", it becomes endowed by laws, with rights and liabilities, as an individual city, and that falls under country and State.

None of this stuff is as "One Dimensional" as people are expecting it to be... some people simply can't digest the concept of "Multi-dimensional", nor Multivariable Context within those Dimensional Perspectives.

But, if one looks up a word, it's definition is given in dimensional perspectives of meanings. Those variable become synonymous as defined by other words that become expansive in synonymous relation..

Mankind was give the ability to think, learn, understand, reason and rationalist, and to act with prudence, wisdom, decency and civility and honor... "greed and vanity" can and does void much of that out. Therefore, people result to fail to use their ability to think, and are driven by impulses of wants, that defer to vanity, gluttony's and greed.... These things make the Evils of Man, seem common and to some acceptable... and chaos is made within a society that damage the whole of society.

We as a society have much work to do, within ourselves as individual, to learn how to learn...​

The more we fail at that, the more we divulge into prolonging the conduct of savagery upon each other, the society of nation, and the society of others nations, and the desecration of the earth itself.
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[Slartibartfast]

What's funny is that you guys claim to be the party of tolerance and the party of the moral high ground and then when you get the short end of the stick you dig deeper in the mud than the other party did. All I'm saying is that if you aren't going to take the moral high ground then don't claim you are on the moral high ground. Admit that when the other side goes low you can go even lower. If you believe in the values that you claim you do then you should actually be taking the moral high ground. Otherwise, you aren't any better than the other party you claim to despise.

So you think using a tool that another group created for what it is is "digging deeper in the mud"? That displays a lack of self awareness on your part.

 

[RealityNow]

Think in terms of what is the understanding the word "Corporate"-


We have a society that use words, but often the lesser understanding of the dimensional context and perspective of words meaning... is common.

Think of what is an "Incorporated City", it becomes endowed by laws, with rights and liabilities, as an individual city, and that falls under country and State.

None of this stuff is as "One Dimensional" as people are expecting it to be... some people simply can't digest the concept of "Multi-dimensional", nor Multivariable Context within those Dimensional Perspectives.

But, if one looks up a word, it's definition is given in dimensional perspectives of meanings. Those variable become synonymous as defined by other words that become expansive in synonymous relation..

Mankind was give the ability to think, learn, understand, reason and rationalist, and to act with prudence, wisdom, decency and civility and honor... "greed and vanity" can and does void much of that out. Therefore, people result to fail to use their ability to think, and are driven by impulses of wants, that defer to vanity, gluttony's and greed.... These things make the Evils of Man, seem common and to some acceptable... and chaos is made within a society that damage the whole of society.

We as a society have much work to do, within ourselves as individual, to learn how to learn...


The more we fail at that, the more we divulge into prolonging the conduct of savagery upon each other, the society of nation, and the society of others nations, and the desecration of the earth itself.
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The oddity is... many people i know, as well as some of you know... are passive when it comes to these things, they don't engage debate of the broader things, they get hung up on the day to day wants they conjure up... and the frailty of desperation of want patronizing display of affectionate acknowledgment, and such vanity consumes so many into days filled with challenge and despair... Such types often do not even look up at the sky on a sunny day with the snow puff clouds and acknowledge its beauty. They can walk past a patch of flowers and not even recognize to acknowledge the magnificence of its beauty. Even in personal relations, if they are not patronized and swooned over, they claim they are not loved, and go into game mode of manipulations to try and extract that patronization they crave. Many soon part, because they failed to grasp what Love is, nor the fact that it first must begin within ones own self that it fills one and overflows into that which overflows from within another.

Threads like these will never find people who engage the premise or function of debate... they either run away, or sling their arrows and stone of denial and quickly flee when they can't make a quick kill.

 

[Moderate Right]

You have no idea what the Thread is About..... yet you just keep talking to be talking.

You need to read your History, because what is the make up goes back to the initial bastardization of The Declaration of Independence, and the usurpations of The Constitution by "Wealthy White Men and Wealthy Industrialist".

If you understood, these early men created the system of "Divide and Conquer" when they chose to engage in Slavery, Indentured Servitude, Gender Repression, and Declared that "Only White Men" were considered as Person, and Only those considered as Person could vote. They saw Democracy as being "For The Wealthy Among The Wealthy".... for the Masses it was about Plutocratic Autocracy, as making themselves a Faux Monarchy with Authoritarian dictations, and they did it by the Contortion of The Constitution, and the System of Governance The Constitution Established.

I am certain you don't understand that .... mainly because the people who crafted and constructed the history books, were adamant to create it based on the agenda they desired to promote. Before the Internet, the average person had limited means to "Research", even as Libraries were made available, the poor had little time to go there, because it took all their time to pay the rent, provide food and pay their credit debt.

The 21st Century began with the premise and principle as THE AGE OF INFORMATION.. and tools have been designed to make it widespread and universally available. Now, even the layman can learn... the poor can research, and the uneducated can become informed and eventually become knowledgeable.

The GREAT CHANGE is already underway in this 21st Century... not only in America.. but Around The World. The upheaval exist on every continent... as information has given people strength in understanding how and why their challenges have been such a burden and devastating impact on generations of their lineage. It is only in the early stages of Transforming The Entire World.
SMART NATIONS have already began the process of Developing COOPERATIVE MUTUAL BENEFIT AGREEMENTS, and abandoned the old system of Imperialist approaches to World Relations.

You have drunk the kool-aid jug dry.

 

[Moderate Right]

So you think using a tool that another group created for what it is is "digging deeper in the mud"? That displays a lack of self awareness on your part.

How so? Either Democrats believe in "when they go low we go high" or they don't. They obviously don't.

 

[Yakshi]

Corporations and special interest groups hold a lot of power, clearly.

Citizens United, a 5-4 decision made by conservative Justices, has contributed mightily to this power imbalance.

But this notion of a Deep State is just too Comet Ping Pong for my taste.

Unintelligent people are taking a common sense notion and giving it a conspiratorial bent that is only leading to more and more ridiculous conclusions, which in the end will only convince dumdums.

 

[Yakshi]

There is no such thing as a deep state.

Exactly. Sometimes just typing true statements is enough in this reality-challenged forum.

 

[lwf]

The deep state exists and has always existed. Presidents make appointments and those appointees make hiring decisions and it all leads to a deep state. An eight year president has more time to institute their deep state better than a four year president does. Obama had an eight year deep state and Trump has had four years to start his own deep state. I laugh because you guys claimed there was no such thing as a deep state and now you make a thread saying there is. I knew if Biden either won this year or a Democrat won in 2024 you guys would come out of the woodwork claiming there is a deep state after all. You just did it quicker than I thought.

That isn't the "Deep State" the OP is talking about. It isn't the federal government at large. It is big business interests and their lobbyists that unsurprisingly seem to always support the conservative agenda of smaller government and fewer regulations, and who disseminate fear-based propaganda meant to fool the working class into voting against their own interests, and the bought politicians that are beholden to them over their own constituents who blindly vote for them anyway out of fear of imaginary boogeymen like "socialism," "mail-in voting," and "illegal immigration."

 

[Slartibartfast]

How so? Either Democrats believe in "when they go low we go high" or they don't. They obviously don't.

Right now the country is at stake, so sometimes you gotta hold your nose and play by the other guy's rules. So given that the conservatives have been fighting dirty since Newt and things have deteriorated, its time to do what you have to do to save the country.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Exactly. Sometimes just typing true statements is enough in this reality-challenged forum.

Some things aren’t worth fighting over.

 

[RealityNow]

That isn't the "Deep State" the OP is talking about. It isn't the federal government at large. It is big business interests and their lobbyists that unsurprisingly seem to always support the conservative agenda of smaller government and fewer regulations, and who disseminate fear-based propaganda meant to fool the working class into voting against their own interests, and the bought politicians that are beholden to them over their own constituents who blindly vote for them anyway out of fear of imaginary boogeymen like "socialism," "mail-in voting," and "illegal immigration."

Thank you​

...
its great to see someone who actually understands!​

It's Unfortunate, as Many of the participants in this site as well as in other areas of society, who see or hear the words "white people" ... they instantly become mind blind to anything and everything else that is written or said, that would indicate they need to self review, learn or educated and inform themselves with knowledge ... because under Jim Crow Groomed Society, that lasted for 100 yrs, had guidelines for not only listed but imposed within and upon society. I'll list a few:

Stetson Kennedy, the author of Jim Crow Guide (1990), offered these simple rules that blacks were supposed to observe in conversing with whites:

1. Never assert or even intimate that a white person is lying.
2. Never impute dishonorable intentions to a white person.
3. Never suggest that a white person is from an inferior class.
4. Never lay claim to, or overly demonstrate, superior knowledge or intelligence.
5. Never curse a white person.
6. Never laugh derisively at a white person.
7. Never comment upon the appearance of a white female.

Jim Crow states passed statutes severely regulating social interactions between the races.
Jim Crow laws touched every aspect of everyday life.

The Jim Crow laws and system of etiquette were undergirded by violence, real and threatened. Blacks who violated Jim Crow norms, for example, drinking from the white water fountain or trying to vote, risked their homes, their jobs, even their lives. Whites could physically beat blacks with impunity. Blacks had little legal recourse against these assaults because the Jim Crow criminal justice system was all-white: police, prosecutors, judges, juries, and prison officials. Violence was instrumental for Jim Crow. It was a method of social control.

1. In each of the race riots, with few exceptions, it was white people that sparked the incident by attacking black people.
2. In the majority of the riots, some extraordinary social condition prevailed at the time of the riot: prewar social changes, wartime mobility, post-war adjustment, or economic depression.
3. The majority of the riots occurred during the hot summer months.
4. Rumor played an extremely important role in causing many riots. Rumors of some criminal activity by blacks against whites perpetuated the actions of the white mobs.
5. The police force, more than any other institution, was invariably involved as a precipitating cause or perpetuating factor in the riots. In almost every one of the riots, the police sided with the attackers, either by actually participating in, or by failing to quell the attack.

Most white people never researched any of this, they just followed along as they were told... in earlier times many white people who did not agree to Jim Crow Program and Agenda... were intimated into silence, by threat of violence, loss of job, outcast within the community and denigrated in public by name calling and other insults.

Today, many offspring's of the white people who did not agree to Jim Crow, make up the Liberal Majority in America... They no longer fear and they are no longer repressed or suppressed under intimidation from the race based supporters of Jim Crow Ideals.

Yet, NONE, (Neither) Jim Crow Supporters or those who did not agree to Jim Crow... can escape the strong hold that the Corporate System of wealthy industrialist have encased the society within. Politicians are Agent of the Plutocratic Industrial System... That is what Deep State is that is being discussed, it has it's origins in Race and Class Divisiveness. It was initiated and put in place by wealthy white men, who crafted this system based on White Dominance, and promoted as White Nationalism, and it enlisted people as White Nationalist...

So, its evident many have no awareness to understand what this entire tread is about.