The Daily Limbaugh: JFK Wouldn't Fit with Today's Democrats

[Linc]

JFK is far closer to the Tea Party than the Demokrat Partei. Surely, a hard pill for our Socialist friends to swallow.

Zimmer parroting the Daily Limp, who woulda guessed.
When you have NO game, go after the other team..
Nixon's CREEP of dirty tricks .

 

[Linc]

No, JFK was for lower taxes and cutting government. That's all the Tea Party has ever been about.

When it's convenient, Repubs also like Truman to a point--when the GOP House of NO is the Do-Nothing Congress on Roids that Truman railed against .

 

[LowDown]

One of the reasons JFK made the trip to Dallas was to shore up his support for the 1964 election. He had lots of enemies in the South due to his stand on civil rights, and probably because of his Catholicism too. Just before he and Jackie left the hotel to attend the parade he told her " We're heading into nut country". He knew they didn't like him.

Nope, the Tea Parties are not anti-civil rights nor anti-Catholic. To say otherwise is a careless slander.

 

[Linc]

And he was killed by a communist who revered Castro and defected to the USSR. Go figure.

If JFK were POTUS today, he would already have been impeached for doing what Repubs wish they could have been doing--M. Monroe .

 

[Amanda1858]

And he was killed by a communist who revered Castro and defected to the USSR. Go figure.

Got any proof of that?

 

[Linc]

everyone else is discussing the topic, not the messenger..... care to join us?

JFK voted against Civil Rights as a Senator, obeying his Father..He was not a champion of Civil Rights, just another political hack who changed positions to get elected ,

 

[Amanda1858]

Nope, the Tea Parties are not anti-civil rights nor anti-Catholic. To say otherwise is a careless slander.

Conservatives in 1963 were not exactly like the conservatives of 2013.

 

[Amanda1858]

JFK voted against Civil Rights as a Senator, obeying his Father..He was not a champion of Civil Rights, just another political hack who changed positions to get elected ,

But I tought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were his ideas and LBJ just carried them out for after his death?

 

[Perotista]

When it's convenient, Repubs also like Truman to a point--when the GOP House of NO is the Do-Nothing Congress on Roids that Truman railed against .

Howdy Linc, I think trying to place any of the presidents, Truman, IKE, JFK from that time period into what is today the Liberal or Conservative mode is a waste of time. One has to remember each of the parties had their ultra conservative and liberal wings. The Republican Party back during these 3 presidents was a me too party but just a little less when it came to Democratic initiatives. One also must remember during that timeframe, actually from 1932 on through JFK, the Democratic party was a majority party, by that I mean 50% of the electorate or right close to it identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Truman, IKE, JFK were all cold warriors, not a peace nik there. All believe in massive retaliation but JFK added his flexable response. All three were very pro affirmitive action and for civil rights. Each had conservatives and liberal qualities. This is what make it easy for both parties of today to claim them and to say that Truman and JFK wouldn't fit into the Democratic Party of today and IKE wouldn't be a Republican today.

I think the parties of today started to take shape under LBJ. Although Nixon was the great liberal among presidents from FDR to Obama. Nixon makes Obama look like a right wing fanatic.

 

[Linc]

And the Nazis converted to Socialism and then the Democratic party, while the Republicans morphed into the "Family Values" party, of their GOD--Their Country--Their POTUS--their Military--Their chickenhawks . .

 

[LowDown]

When it's convenient, Repubs also like Truman to a point--when the GOP House of NO is the Do-Nothing Congress on Roids that Truman railed against .

Face the facts, Democrats have left their roots way behind and turned their backs on their erstwhile heros. Republicans quote JFK more than they do these days.

Not just JFK, either, but also:

MLK -

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

That one went right under the identity politics bus for sure.

LBJ -

Until justice is blind to color, until education is unaware of race, until opportunity is unconcerned with the color of men's skins, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact.

:lamo That one too!

Thomas Jefferson -

If we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.

And:

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

And:

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Need I say more?

James Madison (the other man credited with founding the Democratic Party)

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

The Democratic Party has gone from egalitarianism to identity politics, from small government to big government, from local control to central control, from nationalism to citizen-of-the-world, from liberty to state nanny-ism, from democracy to rule by government bureaus, from speaking truth to propaganda strategists and Astroturfers, from Christians to libertines, from individualists to collectivists. It's totally different animal now.

 

[Linc]

Face the facts, Democrats have left their roots way behind and turned their backs on their erstwhile heros. Republicans quote JFK more than they do these days..Not just JFK..

I can understand why you would say the GOP of today quotes Kennedy..
JFK's family was personal friends with Joseph McCarthy, refused to condemn McCarthy at all due to his crooked Father's ties;
and chose to have his back operation during the censure vote of McCarthy--how convenient .

 

[Linc]

MLK - That one went right under the identity politics bus for sure.

JFK with the aid of his brother bought the Black vote in 1960;
by having trumped-up charges against MLK Jr. dropped by a judge friendly to them .

 

[Perotista]

But I tought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were his ideas and LBJ just carried them out for after his death?

From reading a couple of bio's on JFK, he thought about bringing up a civil rights bill. Then he dropped the idea out of fear of the southern democrats deserting him in the next election. Both books left the impression that he would have brought them back up after the 1964 election, but not before. Now Eisenhower did get this 1957 and 1960 civil rights bills passed through congress and signed into law. But he and LBJ worked very closely together on those. Knowing this, I would say without LBJ the 64 and 65 acts would not have been introduced. Also one must pay Everitt Dirksen, the Republican Minority Leader in the Senate his due in helping get these bills passed and by the numerous objections of the southern democrats.

 

[Linc]

Howdy Linc, I think trying to place any of the presidents, Truman, IKE, JFK from that time period into what is today the Liberal or Conservative mode is a waste of time. One has to remember each of the parties had their ultra conservative and liberal wings. The Republican Party back during these 3 presidents was a me too party but just a little less when it came to Democratic initiatives. One also must remember during that timeframe, actually from 1932 on through JFK, the Democratic party was a majority party, by that I mean 50% of the electorate or right close to it identified/associated themselves with the Democrats.

Rewriting history over JFK is one of the gifts Zimmer brings to Debate Politics..

Truman, IKE, JFK were all cold warriors, not a peace nik there. All believe in massive retaliation but JFK added his flexable response. All three were very pro affirmitive action and for civil rights. Each had conservatives and liberal qualities. This is what make it easy for both parties of today to claim them and to say that Truman and JFK wouldn't fit into the Democratic Party of today and IKE wouldn't be a Republican today.

JFK's Father was a DINO, and was especially a stab-in-the-back of FDR,
even though FDR appointed the crooked old adulterer to head the FED..
Like Father like his 3 sons when it came to adulterous behavior, something today's GOP seems to admire..

I think the parties of today started to take shape under LBJ.
Although Nixon was the great liberal among presidents from FDR to Obama.

I'm surprised Debate Politics doesn't do more historical revision of Nixon..

Nixon makes Obama look like a right wing fanatic.

You better get back in your foxhole on that one..
Obama won't be praised by the GOP for a couple of decades, their modus .

 

[code1211]

He proposed Medicare, supported Social Security, the minimum wage, civil rights which included public accommodations... He was for spending billions on the space program which sent our men to the Moon. On the domestic front he's was very much a liberal Democrat.

Who are the present day Republicans who oppose what you have listed?

Medicare was not enacted until 1965. It was a Great Society Program under Johnson, not Kennedy.

Spending billions on the Space program was actually a defense priority of the day. The entire Cuban Missile crisis was based on the fact that the technology for ICBm's did not exist. The Billions spent on this was a thinly veiled program to avoid having to maintain Jupiter Missiles in Turkey which was the chip Kennedy traded to Kruschev to end the Cuban Missile crisis.

Who are the current Democrats recommending increasing the defense budget by two times?

What were the domestic programs on which he was very Liberal?

 

[code1211]

One of the reasons JFK made the trip to Dallas was to shore up his support for the 1964 election. He had lots of enemies in the South due to his stand on civil rights, and probably because of his Catholicism too. Just before he and Jackie left the hotel to attend the parade he told her " We're heading into nut country". He knew they didn't like him.

They were mostly Democrats at that time.

Lyndon Johnson was the guy who implemented the "Great Society" and his motivation for this is pretty well displayed in his own words as shown below:

Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement

<snip>
I apologize for the following language but we have to understand the truth that is not being told any longer. The following quotes are LBJ quotes:

“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

You can find this in Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”
<snip>

 

[Mustachio]

JFK is far closer to the Tea Party than the Demokrat Partei. Surely, a hard pill for our Socialist friends to swallow.

Yes, the New Frontier sounds pretty hard right to me. And so does the Consumer Bill of Rights. Policies directed toward helping the needy and shielding consumers from corporate corruption? Who was this guy, Rand Paul's real father? Actually, if he was anybody's real father it wouldn't surprise me.

It means nothing to say "if _____ were around today, he'd be ______" although certainly it can be fun. In this case, I'm just not sure that it really fits, except for the fact that he had an aggressive foreign policy, but you could argue that both Clinton and Obama do as well, so...

 

[pbrauer]

Who are the present day Republicans who oppose what you have listed?

Medicare was not enacted until 1965. It was a Great Society Program under Johnson, not Kennedy.

Spending billions on the Space program was actually a defense priority of the day. The entire Cuban Missile crisis was based on the fact that the technology for ICBm's did not exist. The Billions spent on this was a thinly veiled program to avoid having to maintain Jupiter Missiles in Turkey which was the chip Kennedy traded to Kruschev to end the Cuban Missile crisis.

Who are the current Democrats recommending increasing the defense budget by two times?

What were the domestic programs on which he was very Liberal?

Listen and watch the man himself, he is no conservative, he speaks about the role of the federal government helping the people. At the 0:48 mark he talks about progressive legislation being passed. He talks about the general welfare. Seriously, if you watch the almost 15 minutes of this clip and you think he is a conservative. Well, I don't know what to say.

This video is a short clip from a speech given in 1962 by President Kennedy, at a huge public rally in support of his proposal, later known as Medicare, to provide health care insurance for the elderly, as part of the Social Security system. Here, the President explains the need for the Medicare program, and also defends it against false attacks by opponents. Medicare was not enacted into law until 1965, during the term of President Lyndon Johnson, approximately two years after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963.. By the way: The arguments made by President Kennedy are also pretty good reasons why our country should have a program of universal health care, by expanding Medicare to cover all citizens of all ages.

 

[pbrauer]

JFK addresses Congress:

 

[code1211]

Listen and watch the man himself, he is no conservative, he speaks about the role of the federal government helping the people. At the 0:48 mark he talks about progressive legislation being passed. He talks about the general welfare. Seriously, if you watch the almost 15 minutes of this clip and you think he is a conservative. Well, I don't know what to say.

There is a role for government. That role is to help those who cannot help themselves. The very young, the very old and the infirm.

That is exactly what Kennedy is talking about. The old and infirm are the group that he is discussing here. He is not talking about the general population although he does use the term "general welfare" incorrectly as the typical progressive always does.

Nobody is 100% a believer in the entire party platform except Nancy Pelosi and she is bat crap crazy. You can produce examples of thoughts from kennedy that are not arch Conservative, but there are as many that are not Arch progressive.

On balance, his approach to life and to politics would today be on the Conservative side of the spectrum.

 

[Linc]

JFK carried LBJ's water on civil rights..

But I tought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965
were his ideas and LBJ just carried them out for after his death?

JFK cast a procedural vote on IKE's Civil rights Act of 1957, considered by some as an
appeasement of Southern Democratic opponents of the bill..

JFK did vote for title III of the act, which would have given the Attorney General powers to enjoin,
but LBJ agreed to let the provision die as a compromise measure..

Many thanks to wikipedia, which describes JFK's vote for title IV, termed the "Jury Trial amendment",
as one criticized by civil rights advocates as one which would weaken the act..

JFK supported the final compromise bill in Sept/1957 .

 

[Linc]

Nobody is 100% a believer in the entire party platform except Nancy Pelosi and she is bat crap crazy..

As with the GOP platform that Dems must hope doesn't change..

 

[Linc]

We all know only Democraps have used this sort of language in the past..
Good of you to remind us all where we have come from and why we are still there .

They were mostly Democrats at that time.

Lyndon Johnson was the guy who implemented the "Great Society" and his motivation for this is pretty well displayed in his own words as shown below:

Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement

<snip>
I apologize for the following language but we have to understand the truth that is not being told any longer. The following quotes are LBJ quotes:

“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

You can find this in Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”
<snip>

 

[Greenbeard]

Medicare was not enacted until 1965. It was a Great Society Program under Johnson, not Kennedy.

The reason it was a Great Society program is that JFK:

• Campaigned on it in 1960
• Sent his proposal to Congress less than a month after his inauguration
• Pushed for it throughout 1962, including in his State of the Union, in a Special Message to the Congress on National Health Needs, and in public speeches like his Medicare speech at Madison Square Garden that pbrauer showed
  
• Tried to parlay its defeat in Congress into a midterm issue for liberal Democrats
  
  

  STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT ON THE DEFEAT OF THE MEDICAL CARE BILL--JULY 17, 1962
  [Telecast from the Fish Room at the White House]
  
  The Medical Care for the Aged Bill was defeated in the United States Senate. A switch of two votes in the Senate would have provided, I believe, for its passage.
  
  I believe this is a most serious defeat for every American family, for the 17 Million Americans who are over 65, whose means of support, whose livelihood is certainly lessened over what it was in their working days, who are more inclined to be ill, who will more likely be in hospitals, who are less able to pay their bills.
  
  I think they have suffered a serious setback today. But this issue is not confined to them. All those Americans who have parents, who are liable to be ill, and who have children to educate at the same time, mothers and fathers in their 30's and 40's, I believe they have suffered a serious setback. In 1960, with Senator Anderson, I introduced the Medical Care for the Aged. A change of four votes in the Senate in 1960 would have provided for its passage. This year we came closer.
  
  I think the American people are going to make a decision in November as to whether they want this bill, and similar bills, to be passed, or whether they want it to be defeated. Nearly all the Republicans and a handful of Democrats joined with them to give us today's setback. The election in 1960 was very close. It has meant that nearly every vote in the House and Senate is close. Some we win by one or two votes; others we lose. We have to decide, the United States, in 1962, in November, in the Congressional elections, whether we want to stand still or whether we want to support this kind of legislation for the benefit of the people.
  
  You are going to have a chance to make that judgment. I hope that we will return in November a Congress that will support a program like Medical Care for the Aged, a program which has been fought by the American Medical Association and successfully defeated. This bill will be introduced in January 1963. I hope it will pass. With your support in November, this bill will pass in 1963.

• Pushed it yet again in his 1963 State of the Union

Medicare didn't spring out of nowhere in 1965 under Johnson, Kennedy was pushing for it since his days in the Senate.

I realize the fact that one of the largest social programs (and only single-payer system in place) in the U.S. was the brainchild of JFK hurts the argument that he was somehow conservative. But that's reality.