anyone?
I am not American.
What are the critical factors in the zimmerman case in the official verdict of not guilty?
Not the conspiracy theory, or the extraneous circumstance.
What under US law was needed to establish guilt, and what prevented this?
Reasonable doubt.............
Quilt without reasonable doubt. Can't get any clearer than that. The jury found there was enough reasonable doubt not to convict.I am not American.
What are the critical factors in the zimmerman case in the official verdict of not guilty?
Not the conspiracy theory, or the extraneous circumstance.
What under US law was needed to establish guilt, and what prevented this?
Quilt without reasonable doubt. Can't get any clearer than that. The jury found there was enough reasonable doubt not to convict.
In a nutshell.
There was a one sided fight. TM was beating GZ. GZ was on the bottom. TM was on top. GZ shot TM. The jury did not find enough evidence GZ committed a crime. We still don't know precisely what grounds they used. The law says one in that situation has the right to use lethal force if they "reasonably" fear great bodily harm or death. Thus it was a self defense case. The state had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt GZ could NOT have used self defense.
Not guilty.
isnt this predicated by the fact he stalked the boy with a gun first though and then approached him with hostility. surely trayvon could have pled that he was in fear for his life, if he had indeed killed zimmerman.
isnt this predicated by the fact he stalked the boy with a gun first though and then approached him with hostility. surely trayvon could have pled that he was in fear for his life, if he had indeed killed zimmerman.
If you go by Z's story and the 911 transcript he was doing as the dispatcher told him. He reported the TM as a suspicious person and the dispatcher asked him to let him know what he was doing until an officer arrived. The dispatcher later told Z he did not need to follow him which Z said "ok" and while returning to his vehicle he was jumped by TM. The evidence seemed to back up this story.
he needs to sue the media then.
to be honest, im in a completely different culture, but he would be doing 10 years just for having a firearm here.
Not to bring water back over the dam, but there were witnesses that stated that Trayvon was on top while the other one said George was on top; that alone leads me to believe that sometime there was an exchange of positions. If George, who was knowingly armed with a gun, did not wish to engage with a seventeen year old, who was unarmed, my question that burns me is why not get off of him and back away and show him your gun to bring the altercation to an end.In a nutshell.
There was a one sided fight. TM was beating GZ. GZ was on the bottom. TM was on top. GZ shot TM. The jury did not find enough evidence GZ committed a crime. We still don't know precisely what grounds they used. The law says one in that situation has the right to use lethal force if they "reasonably" fear great bodily harm or death. Thus it was a self defense case. The state had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt GZ could NOT have used self defense.
Not guilty.
isnt this predicated by the fact he stalked the boy with a gun first though and then approached him with hostility. surely trayvon could have pled that he was in fear for his life, if he had indeed killed zimmerman.
he needs to sue the media then.
to be honest, im in a completely different culture, but he would be doing 10 years just for having a firearm here.
he needs to sue the media then.
to be honest, im in a completely different culture, but he would be doing 10 years just for having a firearm here.
He can't sue the media...freedom of the press. He could sue the state though.
Not to bring water back over the dam, but there were witnesses that stated that Trayvon was on top while the other one said George was on top; that alone leads me to believe that sometime there was an exchange of positions. If George, who was knowingly armed with a gun, did not wish to engage with a seventeen year old, who was unarmed, my question that burns me is why not get off of him and back away and show him your gun to bring the altercation to an end.
Both defense and prosecution did well with their presentations; there was enough from defense that would persuade me to leave out 2and degree murder, but prosecution most definitely showed numerous lies and facts that did not add up with the way George told his story that made me think that manslaughter would be the verdict.
You let me be 29 years old and have a seventeen year old be able to do that to me, I would hope to hear later on that he is at the top of his class in martial arts.
However, the verdict is in and that's just the way this thing ended. :shrug:
Since it seems I can't edit my post, I have a correction:And Sharpton, and Jackson and.....Obama. It's pretty damned sad when the words of our campaigner in chief serve as incentive to drag someone into criminal court without probable cause.
If there is one damned thing that this farce has proved it's that the city of Sanford got it right a year and a half ago. Zimmerman was dragged through all this crap for political reasons, not criminal ones and that's yet one more sign of an abusive government.
I am not American.
What are the critical factors in the zimmerman case in the official verdict of not guilty?
Not the conspiracy theory, or the extraneous circumstance.
What under US law was needed to establish guilt, and what prevented this?
Not to bring water back over the dam, but there were witnesses that stated that Trayvon was on top while the other one said George was on top; that alone leads me to believe that sometime there was an exchange of positions. If George, who was knowingly armed with a gun, did not wish to engage with a seventeen year old, who was unarmed, my question that burns me is why not get off of him and back away and show him your gun to bring the altercation to an end.
Both defense and prosecution did well with their presentations; there was enough from defense that would persuade me to leave out 2and degree murder, but prosecution most definitely showed numerous lies and facts that did not add up with the way George told his story that made me think that manslaughter would be the verdict.
You let me be 29 years old and have a seventeen year old be able to do that to me, I would hope to hear later on that he is at the top of his class in martial arts.
However, the verdict is in and that's just the way this thing ended. :shrug:
I heard in the trial that there was one witness that said Travon was on top just like I heard another say that George was on top. :shrug:Can you provide links to the evidence for that assertion? You indicate that all but one witness stated that GZ was on top but I think that you will find that to be backwards - only one witness, Selma Mora, stated that TM was on top BEFORE the gunshot.
I heard in the trial that there was one witness that said Travon was on top just like I heard another say that George was on top. :shrug:
The State did call her roommate, a blonde Colombian named Selma Mora. As Mora admitted, she and Cutcher did not see anything until after the shot was fired. When Mora did look out, she saw Zimmerman on top of Martin.
I heard in the trial that there was one witness that said Travon was on top just like I heard another say that George was on top. :shrug:
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