The crisis "No one is talking about"

[Greenbeard]

Sad, isn't it, that government programs are never considered candidates for the chopping block while at the same time retiring Americans are considered by young upcoming socialists to be expendable?

The bulk of our non-defense spending goes directly to those retiring Americans. Spending-wise, this country is a retirement community with a military.

The premise of your thread is that our spending on them is a crisis!

 

[Tbird19482]

Got it,

Now maybe you can address this:

Now compare that to one of your freebies, how does an open border help, spending 90+ Trillion on the New Green Deal going to help and who pays for that. Free Medicare for all shutting down every health insurance company. Raising taxes, how does that help. Free college who pays for that. A guaranteed government job if you want one and if not we'll pay you to stay home.

What " freebies"?
I am retired and I still pay a lot in income taxes,
I paid in the max for SS and Medicare, I still pay for my medical ins.
There are things we need to keep to help the poor BUT we need to start putting restrictions on those programs
welfare for instance should have a residence requirement and be limited as to how long you can collect it, there should be requirements for people who are on it to go to school and get a GED or some sort of training to get a job and if they don't then they should be cut off the program.
as for the " Open border " thing we do not have open borders and I don't know of anybody saying we should have, I do know of people that want the laws we do have to be enforced and let legal people in and the ones that get here illegally to be held and IF they are in danger if they are sent back to their country have a chance to ask for asylum and if they are not in danger sent back to their country and told to go by the rules
maybe if they are sent back have a law stating that they can not come here for a set amount of years and when that period is over then they can apply to come here by the rules.
I am not happy with the " Green " thing but I do believe we need to do something about pollution and the quality of our air before it is too late
have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

Oh, yes they do scam the tax system! They claim dependents not even remotely related to them, rake in thousands and send it back to their own countries.
Look it up.

Well you don't have to worry about anybody taking more dependents then they really have any more seeing that they took away the personal exemptions on the Federal income tax.
Trump and the Republicans said their tax cut was going to be great for a family of five well fact is IF you had a family of three and took the standard deduction last year you will see your taxable income go up this year.
last year you could take a standard deduction of 12700 dollars and for a family of three 12150 personal exemptions
for a total of 24850 and this year all you get is 24000 so your taxable income went up 850 dollars
and if you have a family of four your taxable income will go up 4900 dollars and if you have a family of five it will go up 8950 and in the lowest tax rate ( 10 % ) your taxes will be going up 895 dollars for a family of five.
last year a family of five could take that 12700 standard deduction and 20250 personal exemptions for a total of 32950 and this year only 24000 for an increase in taxable income of 8950
and as I said before the GAO stated that in 2017 42% of all US Corporations that made over a million dollars in US profits did NOT pay a cent in income taxes and they expect that to go up to around 65% of all large corporations under the new tax cut
So the taxable income will go up for a family of three or more ( if they took the standard deduction last year ) and they expect that another 23% of all large US Corporations making over a million dollars in US profits ( some making BILLIONS ) won't be paying any US income taxes at all and a lot of them will be getting more tax credits then they have in the past that they will be able to carry over to the next year and some even 4 or 5 years.
So that tax cut isn't fair for the middle class worker who will be paying more and more large corporations paying less
have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

Illegals do not honor American immigration laws and do not obey American labor laws. What good is being done by lawmakers who pass laws nobody pays any attention to?

I agree they don't
BUT there are laws against employers hiring them
The employers have to start doing background checks and IF these people are here illegally not hire them and if they find that the illeagls are using false papers fire them and let it be known that they are using false papers and have them arrested
the Government has to not only crack down on the illegals but the people that employ them
Have a nice day

 

[marke]

I agree they don't
BUT there are laws against employers hiring them
The employers have to start doing background checks and IF these people are here illegally not hire them and if they find that the illeagls are using false papers fire them and let it be known that they are using false papers and have them arrested
the Government has to not only crack down on the illegals but the people that employ them
Have a nice day

What a mess. Illegals are flooding into the country and there are forces opposed to deporting them even though people could go to jail for having compassion on them by helping them find jobs to make money to feed themselves and their kids.

 

[Tbird19482]

What a mess. Illegals are flooding into the country and there are forces opposed to deporting them even though people could go to jail for having compassion on them by helping them find jobs to make money to feed themselves and their kids.

There are less Illegals coming across the border now then when Obama was in office.
Obama deported more illegals then any other President
so how is Trump calling this a flood of illegals ,
I have to ask just who is it that says that they should not deport illegals?
from what I have read and seen the only illegals anybody wants to stay here are the ones that would be killed IF we deported them back to their own country,
I have not seen/ read or heard of anybody that says we should have wide open borders,
everything I have read/ heard or saw in the media was we have laws and people that want to come here should obey them and IF you are here illegally you should be deported unless you apply for asylum because you would be killed or put in jail on political reasons.
Have a nice evening

 

[Born Free]

I take that as a compliment.

Don't flatter yourself, that was no compliment. Far from it.

 

[Born Free]

Every one of them.

Prove it, there are 195 countries. You've got homework to do or your just lying.

 

[Born Free]

A lot. I believe that we are still the biggest polluter per capita, if not total. Other countries, including China, are all moving towards renewable energy. We'll probably be the last ones burning coal.

Typical Liberal, never answer the question. Because you don't know. I was sure you would know being your willing to spend some 90 Trillion on the Green New Deal.

 

[Born Free]

Prove any/all of these ^^^ claims to be factual.

Prove, prove what, for over 2 yrs you libs have been posting up false claims without one shred of fact, to destroy Trump and now your all uppity and you want proof, what I said is proof.

 

[Born Free]

What " freebies"?
I am retired and I still pay a lot in income taxes,
I paid in the max for SS and Medicare, I still pay for my medical ins.
There are things we need to keep to help the poor BUT we need to start putting restrictions on those programs
welfare for instance should have a residence requirement and be limited as to how long you can collect it, there should be requirements for people who are on it to go to school and get a GED or some sort of training to get a job and if they don't then they should be cut off the program

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What "freebies" you say. Your liberal party is for free college, your party wants an open border, walls are immoral, how does an open border help. Spending 90+ Trillion on the New Green Deal is going to help what besides adding 90 Trillion to the national debt, and who pays for that. Free Medicare for all shutting down every health insurance company. Raising taxes, how does that help. A guaranteed government job if you want one and if not we'll pay you to stay home, etc etc

as for the " Open border " thing we do not have open borders and I don't know of anybody saying we should have, I do know of people that want the laws we do have to be enforced and let legal people in and the ones that get here illegally to be held and IF they are in danger if they are sent back to their country have a chance to ask for asylum and if they are not in danger sent back to their country and told to go by the rules
maybe if they are sent back have a law stating that they can not come here for a set amount of years and when that period is over then they can apply to come here by the rules.

We have an emergency on our border and your party does not want to do a damn thing to fix it. Not a damn thing.

 

[Exquisitor]

I cannot justify the greed and envy behind the "tax the stinking rich" narratives driving the democrat push for raising taxes everywhere on everyone while blaming it on the supposed need for the rich to pay their "fair share." What is really needed is to cut spending and enact reforms which will bring costs down so the need for taxes can also go down. Congress could start by enacting major tort reforms which can effectively bring down costs while simultaneously forcing rich lawyers to "pay their fair share" to help this county recover from deep debt.

Sure, there is greed, when you're a Congressperson and everyone's pocketbook is open to you, but that's no argument, because some people experience greed in reaction to greed.

I don't want everyone to pay their fair share, I want everyone to pay more than their fair share, because that is the only way we can get out of debt.

Cutting Government is just a thumping point, everyone wants to cut Government, even Democrats.

We could cut this entire structure and open a bunch of new programs.

When the need for taxes go down, the need for Pinkerton goes up.

How do you factor this into your equation as to where you would like to go?

 

[Exquisitor]

I might would be happier with America if only I did not know what I know about how sin and sinners are doing great damage to every American and threatening our existence as a free nation.

Sin? You consider homosexuality a sin? Next door to you is a Hare Krishna who considers your diet sin and has proof as we all know the health effects of eating meat as compared to organic salad or bee pollen. Besides this, you're not getting up at 4:00 am for a half or four hours of mostly dancing and singing. And you haven't given yourself to his guru, so you're not doing your part, you're not keeping up and you sin.

I do not want to see everybody jumping up and down with the Hare Krishnas nor stand in the congregation of meat-eaters justifying themselves for the whole world.

The first sin is to consider your brother's sin and not your own.

The mongrels are only there to remind you this world is not your home.

The Muslims too, like to consider their brother anathema, look at the suni and shia sects of Islam in Iraq.

Even the Hare Krishnas condemn everybody else.

"Now there is therefor no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus." And who is not in Christ? "If I make my bed in Hell Thou art there."

How Trump and his yahoos are damaging us more than any pervert on a parade float!

 

[marke]

There are less Illegals coming across the border now then when Obama was in office.
Obama deported more illegals then any other President
so how is Trump calling this a flood of illegals ,

You contradict the testimony of border agents in the field, so I question your comprehension of the facts.

I have to ask just who is it that says that they should not deport illegals?

I don't know who says what about deportations but I do take issue with those who claim border crossings by illegals are nothing to get worked up over.

from what I have read and seen the only illegals anybody wants to stay here are the ones that would be killed IF we deported them back to their own country,

What about the liars who say they are in danger but are lying because they just want a better life? Should we just let them all in immediately because it would take months or even years at this rate to check out every single claim for verification?

I have not seen/ read or heard of anybody that says we should have wide open borders,
everything I have read/ heard or saw in the media was we have laws and people that want to come here should obey them and IF you are here illegally you should be deported unless you apply for asylum because you would be killed or put in jail on political reasons.
Have a nice evening

Democrats say they oppose open borders and want to tear the walls that are already there back down. Tell me how that makes any sense. Illegal immigrants have been trained by workers hired by Americans to come here asking for asylum whether any threats against them actually exist or not. How hard is that to see?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Prove it, there are 195 countries. You've got homework to do or your just lying.

Let me remind you what we were talking about - how other countries could afford universal healthcare.

YOU: And I'll bet the countries you speak of rely on us for their security.

The countries I spoke of were developed countries similar to the U.S. - most of Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc.

So not only am I not a liar, you are ignorant of the subject. And, as usual, not worth debating with.

 

[Logician Man]

Prove, prove what, for over 2 yrs you libs have been posting up false claims without one shred of fact, to destroy Trump and now your all uppity and you want proof, what I said is proof.

So you can't/won't prove any of your claims in the post above. No surprise there. Just keep throwing stuff up against a wall and see if any of it sticks. ( it doesn't ).....:lol:

 

[Individual]

Repeal the 16th amendment and eliminate the Federal income tax completely, allowing State governments to tax income for their operations. The Federal government could then tax the wealthiest with a progressive tax rate applied to their investment holdings, with the addition of each State being taxed proportionate to their population of the whole.
If you want to put an end to wealth disparity as the result of wealth accumulation, that would be the only way I've been able to come up with that would result in such happening.
It would be more like the property tax we pay on our home, which is the primary source of most peoples wealth. When you retire and can no longer afford the property tax on the home you worked your life to pay for, or perhaps even before you retire if property values have inflated and your earnings are no longer enough to pay the property taxes, you need to sell and move into a lower taxed property. Those who amass great wealth as a result of investment would likely not be able to earn enough to pay the taxes on their wealth so they would be forced to gradually sell off some of it.

 

[Tbird19482]

You contradict the testimony of border agents in the field, so I question your comprehension of the facts.



I don't know who says what about deportations but I do take issue with those who claim border crossings by illegals are nothing to get worked up over.



What about the liars who say they are in danger but are lying because they just want a better life? Should we just let them all in immediately because it would take months or even years at this rate to check out every single claim for verification?



Democrats say they oppose open borders and want to tear the walls that are already there back down. Tell me how that makes any sense. Illegal immigrants have been trained by workers hired by Americans to come here asking for asylum whether any threats against them actually exist or not. How hard is that to see?

well most everything I read says that the number of illegals is down under Trump and more were caught and deported under Obama
Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis

illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has fallen by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data.

What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center

U.S.-Mexico border apprehensions increased in 2018 | Pew Research Center

see second chart
have a nice day

 

[Born Free]

Let me remind you what we were talking about - how other countries could afford universal healthcare.

Let me remind you I asked a question and you never answered it. I repeat, "if we cut half our omissions in half how much would that reduce the worldwide emissions causing Global warming. You never answered.

You also never answered, "How many countries are fully equipped military to defend themselves without help, you answered "all of them" I replied there are 195 countries in the world and I asked you to prove all 195 have a full military defence systems with an air force, a navy, and a large enough regiment of ground troops. This you never answered.

The countries I spoke of were developed countries similar to the U.S. - most of Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc.

You lie, you replied to my question "ALL OF THEM"

So not only am I not a liar, you are ignorant of the subject. And, as usual, not worth debating with.

Of course you can't answer simple questions. You go by your liberal playbook on how to not answer, "Run and Hide"

 

[Born Free]

So you can't/won't prove any of your claims in the post above. No surprise there. Just keep throwing stuff up against a wall and see if any of it sticks. ( it doesn't ).....:lol:

What I said is Proof

You Lost and Trump Won

 

[Logician Man]

What I said is Proof

You Lost and Trump Won

Define 'proof'. It appears you're confused again.

 

[Exquisitor]

Repeal the 16th amendment and eliminate the Federal income tax completely, allowing State governments to tax income for their operations. The Federal government could then tax the wealthiest with a progressive tax rate applied to their investment holdings, with the addition of each State being taxed proportionate to their population of the whole.
If you want to put an end to wealth disparity as the result of wealth accumulation, that would be the only way I've been able to come up with that would result in such happening.
It would be more like the property tax we pay on our home, which is the primary source of most peoples wealth. When you retire and can no longer afford the property tax on the home you worked your life to pay for, or perhaps even before you retire if property values have inflated and your earnings are no longer enough to pay the property taxes, you need to sell and move into a lower taxed property. Those who amass great wealth as a result of investment would likely not be able to earn enough to pay the taxes on their wealth so they would be forced to gradually sell off some of it.

Sell off your estate to pay for taxes, that's pretty regressive.

Better is repeal Trump and make Amazon pay taxes.

Income tax is unconstitutional, the entire system is voluntary.

 

[marke]

well most everything I read says that the number of illegals is down under Trump and more were caught and deported under Obama
Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis

illegal entry by individuals from Mexico has fallen by more than 90% since FY 2000, according to Border Patrol apprehensions data.

What we know about illegal immigration from Mexico | Pew Research Center

U.S.-Mexico border apprehensions increased in 2018 | Pew Research Center

see second chart
have a nice day

I see the left has its own narrative complete with charts. Meanwhile, Trump is preparing to give democrat sanctuary cities the illegals they have been begging for.

 

[Individual]

Sell off your estate to pay for taxes, that's pretty regressive.

Better is repeal Trump and make Amazon pay taxes.

Income tax is unconstitutional, the entire system is voluntary.

I seriously doubt you would see homeless billionaires.

And raise the prices for consumers?

Income tax was made Constitutional in 1913 by ratification of the 16th amendment.
In 1914, the income tax was applied with only a $3,000 personal deduction and a 1% tax on income the 1st $20,000, a 2% tax on the next $30,000, a 3% tax on the next $25,000, a 4% tax on the next $25,000, a 5% tax on the next $150,000, a 6% tax on the next $250,000, and a 7% tax on all income over $500,000.
Since only about 3% of the total population earned more than $3,000 per year, it was quite easy to sell to voters and States.
Adjusted for inflation, that would be like a $77,030 personal deduction today, and would result in only about 35 million of about 150 million income earners paying income taxes.
Yes, the system is voluntary, with laws to penalize those who fail to volunteer.

 

[Tbird19482]

I see the left has its own narrative complete with charts. Meanwhile, Trump is preparing to give democrat sanctuary cities the illegals they have been begging for.

I thought Trump was against Illegals coming into the US
so now he is going to be inviting them
Yes he says one thing one day and another the next
Have a nice day