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The cost of ousting the illegals!

Seriously, do libs ever think that maybe, just maybe it's not just "$100 billion" that's just going to disappear? Do those illegals not use government benefits?
Not much evidence that they do.

Do those illegals not take jobs that citizens might take if they were available?
They do not, for the most part.

Do those illegals not drive down wages, especially the ones that don't pay taxes and thus can afford to charge less than citizens who do?
The “drive down wages’ argument is misdirected. The companies that have hired undocumented workers - illegally, for many decades - are the ones who have driven down wages. Those businesses have been ignored by both political parties but especially by the GOP. They never seem interested in pursuing THOSE criminals.
 
Criminal and undocumented, yes.

What about undocumented that are not criminals?

NOTE:
  • Entering the country is a criminal act (misdemeanor) but not normally charged.
  • Being in the country undocumented is not a crime. So if you enter the country legally an don't leave, it's considered a civil violation.

Some examples, a student that over stays their visa entered the country legally. They are present without documentation, which isn't a crime.

A parent illegally enters the country with a 5 year old child. The parent committed a crime, but I don't think anyone is going to charge the 5 year old.

WW
 
Okay, yeah, I'll get right on that.
Hold your breath, it'll happen quicker that way.

So then, it's obvious you will not tell us why illegal aliens who have criminal backgrounds/previous criminal charges in their countries of origin aren't a drag on my country. Know why? Because you have nothing.
 
For a party that lost the presidential election by a mere 1.5 points but did gain 2 house seats in that same election. For a party in disarray, that is leaderless and rudderless, fighting among themselves, different factions of the democratic party fighting for control of that party. They’re not doing bad in the generic congressional ballot for the upcoming midterms. In fact, they currently lead the republicans by 2.4 points. I wonder what the generic congressional ballot would look like if the democrats ever get their act together. Which they may or may not.


It's a little early for that, isn't it?
 
It's a little early for that, isn't it?
As soon as an election is over, I start looking at the next election. I also check daily into the president’s overall job approval along with his approval on the economy, inflation, immigration. I like to keep track of the number of house seats that are competitive or at risk of switching and take a good glance at how the senate races stack up. A long way to go, for sure. But keeping track of certain indicators and especially trends that develop, one can have a fairly accurate assessment of what will take place in the next election. Of course, an unforeseen even or happening can turn all that on its ear. Upset the whole apple cart so to speak. It’s just something I constantly do.
 
As soon as an election is over, I start looking at the next election. I also check daily into the president’s overall job approval along with his approval on the economy, inflation, immigration. I like to keep track of the number of house seats that are competitive or at risk of switching and take a good glance at how the senate races stack up. A long way to go, for sure. But keeping track of certain indicators and especially trends that develop, one can have a fairly accurate assessment of what will take place in the next election. Of course, an unforeseen even or happening can turn all that on its ear. Upset the whole apple cart so to speak. It’s just something I constantly do.

OK You're far more interested in politics than I am.
 
Not much evidence that they do.
State and city websites literally say you can get benefits regardless of immigration status. It's pretty obvious.
They do not, for the most part.


The “drive down wages’ argument is misdirected. The companies that have hired undocumented workers - illegally, for many decades - are the ones who have driven down wages. Those businesses have been ignored by both political parties but especially by the GOP. They never seem interested in pursuing THOSE criminals.
They both drive down wages together. As for why there is a focus on illegals, it's because Trump is an America First kind of guy: he goes after the foreign invaders before going after the Americans.

Some employers found themselves in ICE's sights, though.
 
They both drive down wages together.
Multiple research studies from organizations like the Cato Institute and the American Immigration Council indicate that immigration, including unauthorized immigration, does not significantly drive down wages for native-born workers in the long term.
Here's a breakdown of the key findings from the search results:
  • Positive Economic Impact: Immigration is generally viewed as having a positive effect on the U.S. economy, boosting productive capacity, according to the Cato Institute. Immigrants also contribute significantly to the workforce and GDP growth.
  • Minimal Wage Impact: Research suggests that the overall wage impact of immigration on native-born workers is small or negligible. Some studies even suggest a slight increase in wages for certain groups of native-born workers, particularly those with a high school degree or less. The Cato Institute specifically concludes that immigrants do not contribute to wage stagnation or declines for non-college educated workers, according to their 2017 article.
  • Complements, Not Substitutes: Immigrants often fill niches in the labor market, complementing rather than directly competing with native-born workers.
  • Dynamic Labor Market: The economy is capable of adjusting to changes in the labor force, including immigration, through mechanisms like increased investment and the development of new technologies. This adjustment helps mitigate any potential negative wage impacts.
  • Legalization Benefits: Studies suggest that legalizing unauthorized immigrants could further improve wages and working conditions for all workers, including the native-born, and contribute to economic growth.
In essence, the prevailing view among the referenced research is that the economic benefits of immigration outweigh any potential, and likely minimal, negative impacts on native-born workers' wages.
 
Multiple research studies from organizations like the Cato Institute and the American Immigration Council indicate that immigration, including unauthorized immigration, does not significantly drive down wages for native-born workers in the long term.
Here's a breakdown of the key findings from the search results:
  • Positive Economic Impact: Immigration is generally viewed as having a positive effect on the U.S. economy, boosting productive capacity, according to the Cato Institute. Immigrants also contribute significantly to the workforce and GDP growth.
  • Minimal Wage Impact: Research suggests that the overall wage impact of immigration on native-born workers is small or negligible. Some studies even suggest a slight increase in wages for certain groups of native-born workers, particularly those with a high school degree or less. The Cato Institute specifically concludes that immigrants do not contribute to wage stagnation or declines for non-college educated workers, according to their 2017 article.
  • Complements, Not Substitutes: Immigrants often fill niches in the labor market, complementing rather than directly competing with native-born workers.
  • Dynamic Labor Market: The economy is capable of adjusting to changes in the labor force, including immigration, through mechanisms like increased investment and the development of new technologies. This adjustment helps mitigate any potential negative wage impacts.
  • Legalization Benefits: Studies suggest that legalizing unauthorized immigrants could further improve wages and working conditions for all workers, including the native-born, and contribute to economic growth.
In essence, the prevailing view among the referenced research is that the economic benefits of immigration outweigh any potential, and likely minimal, negative impacts on native-born workers' wages.
Sounds like another effort to conflate legal immigration and foreign invasion. You realize we can have one without the other, right?
 
Sounds like another effort to conflate legal immigration and foreign invasion. You realize we can have one without the other, right?
You didnt read it.

"......indicate that immigration, including unauthorized immigration, does not significantly drive down wages for native-born workers...."

"...Studies suggest that legalizing unauthorized immigrants could further improve wages and working conditions for all workers, including the native-born, and contribute to economic growth."
 
So then, it's obvious you will not tell us why illegal aliens who have criminal backgrounds/previous criminal charges in their countries of origin aren't a drag on my country. Know why? Because you have nothing.
Such as those criminals with 34 felonies?
 
You didnt read it.

"......indicate that immigration, including unauthorized immigration, does not significantly drive down wages for native-born workers...."
So...it conflates the two, by including it in the same bucket. It also qualifies the statement with significantly.
"...Studies suggest that legalizing unauthorized immigrants could further improve wages and working conditions for all workers, including the native-born, and contribute to economic growth."
Sounds like a maybe.
 
Such as those criminals without citizenship that I already mentioned to you.
You believe that citizenship negates 34 felony convictions? Id personally rather have the immigrants than a convicted felon. We are ignoring the treason charge that he bought his way out of because of his friendship with the judge.
 
MAGA has been scammed by rich people to believe those black and brown people were the cause of all their problems. worked fabulously.

When in reality it is republican policies dating all the way back to Reagan!

Meanwhile the wealthy amass wealth without measure.
 
You believe that citizenship negates 34 felony convictions? Id personally rather have the immigrants than a convicted felon. We are ignoring the treason charge that he bought his way out of because of his friendship with the judge.

MS-13 gang leader arrested in Nebraska today. Got anything to say about the actual topic, at what cost do we keep illegal aliens in the country, Lisa? At what cost are some willing to take to keep an illegal alien who is a MS-13 gang leader free to do what they want? You personally want him to be able to stay in the country, Lisa?
 
MS-13 gang leader arrested in Nebraska today. Got anything to say about the actual topic, at what cost do we keep illegal aliens in the country, Lisa?
I'll wait 2 weeks for verification of this claim. MS13 gang leaders seems to be like ET. Everyone sees them everywhere. Were they stealing pigs and corn?

At what cost are some willing to take to keep an illegal alien who is a MS-13 gang leader free to do what they want? You personally want him to be able to stay in the country, Lisa?
Spare me the conservative outrage.
 
MS-13 gang leader arrested in Nebraska today. Got anything to say about the actual topic, at what cost do we keep illegal aliens in the country, Lisa? At what cost are some willing to take to keep an illegal alien who is a MS-13 gang leader free to do what they want? You personally want him to be able to stay in the country, Lisa?

Ther truth is we have law enforcement and a judicial system to handle criminals. If he was committing crimes let law enforcement handle it.

ICE just uses any excuse they can find to detain any brown skinned person. Sometimes it seems they don't need any excuse but the color of their skin.
 
Weird, American businesses that employ all these people for cheap labor seem to feel they’re ahead financially.
Yeah they and the DEM's still love to oppress and take advantage of "Other People" , like the south fought over back in 1860's....
 
State and city websites literally say you can get benefits regardless of immigration status. It's pretty obvious.
That is not evidence of anything other than something a website says.

They both drive down wages together.
If companies didn't hire people at low wages - taking advantage - wages would not gone down. It's those paying the wages that are driving their costs down - by driving down wages.

As for why there is a focus on illegals, it's because Trump is an America First kind of guy:
Huh. Trump is a loathed one human kind of guy. His vision of America is for him to be king. No thank you.

he goes after the foreign invaders before going after the Americans.
He hates non-white people.

Some employers found themselves in ICE's sights, though.
Not enough. This has been a long running problem.
 
we are either spending or losing income to the total of 150 billion dollars.

You are way off. Way, way off.

Undocumented immigrants are 5% of our workforce, and deporting them all would have around that much impact on our GDP overall when you factor in the loss not only of their wages, but of the total revenue from their productivity and it's effect both upstream and downstream. Not to mention all the business that rely on them as consumers.

We are looking at a price tag of $800 billion to $1.3 trillion for this idiocy.
 
Yeah they and the DEM's still love to oppress and take advantage of "Other People" , like the south fought over back in 1860's....
Right it's DEMOCRATS and all their hotels and golf courses that do this. And Republicans are so concerned about this labor you're demanding they be shipped off to a gulag in the Sudan. So we see Republicans concern here is like how they help Jews with anti semitism by calling us shylocks.
 
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