The Constitution Is A JOKE!

[Econ4every1]

The government is profiting from people who are addicted to nicotine, and it's mostly poor people. That's the morality of the state.

And if the government banned things that were bad for you, you'd be in here telling us about the government was a nanny state making those things worse by fostering black markets selling unsafe products.

 

[aociswundumho]

And if the government banned things that were bad for you, you'd be in here telling us about the government was a nanny state making those things worse by fostering black markets selling unsafe products.

Which would be 100% true.

The lesson here is to keep the state out of it entirely, because no matter what it does it is going to make us worse off.

 

[Econ4every1]

The lesson here is to keep the state out of it entirely, because no matter what it does it is going to make us worse off.

You just want choices, right?

Slaves had choices.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Said the spider to the fly. I have been at many forums over the years. I have had discussions with hundreds, possibly thousands of people. Only on a few occasions have I ever found anybody who was interested in knowing the REAL truth. And even fewer willing to help get it to be spoken. I expect even less from anybody around here. Though it comes from a fictional movie, this meme will help explain why.

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So, how come you haven't learned anything?

Could it be that you're always preaching and not listening?

 

[aociswundumho]

You just want choices, right?

Slaves had choices.

Great argument!

Please accept your participation trophy. You've earned it.

 

[Rich2018]

You just want choices, right?

Slaves had choices.

Really ?

To obey, run or die.

 

[Econ4every1]

Really ?

To obey, run or die.

No, not really, the sarcasm in my head doesn't translate very well to text.....

 

[Rich2018]

No, not really, the sarcasm in my head doesn't translate very well to text.....

Oh you were being sarcastic:

 

[Master of kitusne]

If it's been overtaken, it by population growth.

Sorry id rather the congress be a thousand strong or stronger, then this joke, were representative democracy, and old white people do not share the same sentiments as every single American. Do not even understand there culture, how can they represent them?

 

[Master of kitusne]

And if the government banned things that were bad for you, you'd be in here telling us about the government was a nanny state making those things worse by fostering black markets selling unsafe products.

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**** the atf and dia

 

[Rich2018]

Sorry id rather the congress be a thousand strong or stronger, then this joke, were representative democracy, and old white people do not share the same sentiments as every single American. Do not even understand there culture, how can they represent them?

No representative democracy legislature shares the same sentiments as every single citizen

That's why they're called "representatives" and not "delegates" (do you know the difference?)

 

[Secular Heckler]

Finally, in 1929 the Permanent Apportionment Act became law. It permanently set the maximum number of representatives at 435. In addition, the law determined a procedure for automatically reapportioning House seats after each census The constitution ant the joke, the system has been taken over long before trump.

If it's been overtaken, it by population growth.

The three-branch government is only practical for small close-knit ideologically aligned populations. As the first vice-president, John Adams, described, “The Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” The problem is that the diversity of people that the nation has evolved to and the proliferation of overlapping grievance groups have overwhelmed the simple deliberation system of the bicameral legislatures, which is where the state and national discussions are supposed to be conducted, and not in between commercial breaks.

 

[Secular Heckler]

No representative democracy legislature shares the same sentiments as every single citizen

That's why they're called "representatives" and not "delegates" (do you know the difference?)

There is no difference in the usual definitions.

 

[Rich2018]

There is no difference in the usual definitions.

There is a huge difference between a representative and a delegate - do you know what it is ?

 

[Master of kitusne]

There is a huge difference between a representative and a delegate - do you know what it is ?

That we live in corpocracy, with Congress as there representative? And your words dont matter in this conversation.

 

[Secular Heckler]

There is a huge difference between a representative and a delegate - do you know what it is ?

Before you present the difference, please explain how we measure the differences in definitions?
It is really hard to comprehend how there can be a "huge difference," when the traditional dictionaries suggest that they are synonyms.

 

[Rich2018]

That we live in corpocracy, with Congress as there representative? And your words dont matter in this conversation.

So you don't know the difference between a representative and a delegate - as I thought

There are strict rules as to how much a person or corporation can donate:

Contribution limits - FEC.gov

The federal contribution limits that apply to contributions made to a federal candidate's campaign for the U.S. House, U.S. Senate or U.S. President. Includes limits that apply to individual donations, as well as to contributions by political action committees (PACs) and party committees to...

www.fec.gov

If you doubt this and just want to sound "smart" with your cynical posts, please can you identify any member of Congress, who's violated these limits.

 

[Master of kitusne]

So you don't know the difference between a representative and a delegate - as I thought

There are strict rules as to how much a person or corporation can donate:

Contribution limits - FEC.gov

The federal contribution limits that apply to contributions made to a federal candidate's campaign for the U.S. House, U.S. Senate or U.S. President. Includes limits that apply to individual donations, as well as to contributions by political action committees (PACs) and party committees to...

www.fec.gov

If you doubt this and just want to sound "smart" with your cynical posts, please can you identify any member of Congress, who's violated these limits.

Hard to say as private donations and gifts ant normally a factor, and honestly all you need is a group to pool money for mutual benefited goals.

But even without that 'corporations shouldn't ever been in our politics just like god,

 

[Rich2018]

Before you present the difference, please explain how we measure the differences in definitions?
It is really hard to comprehend how there can be a "huge difference," when the traditional dictionaries suggest that they are synonyms.

Representatives and delegates are NOT synonyms

A representative, as the name suggests, represents the people in his/her voting district
That means that he/she votes/speaks/lobbies in Congress, in what he/she thinks is in their best interests of the people they represent, and not necessarily what they actually want on any given issue

Whereas a delegate attends a meeting/legislature/convention (typically to decide a single issue), and votes in accord with the majority in his/her voting district
An example would be the people voting for a party's presidential candidate. They cannot (or should not) vote for any candidate other than what transpired in an earlier vote in their voting district.

 

[Master of kitusne]

Representatives and delegates are NOT synonyms

A representative, as the name suggests, represents the people in his/her voting district
That means that he/she votes/speaks/lobbies in Congress, in what he/she thinks is in their best interests of the people they represent, and not necessarily what they actually want on any given issue

Whereas a delegate attends a meeting/legislature/convention (typically to decide a single issue), and votes in accord with the majority in his/her voting district
An example would be the people voting for a party's presidential candidate. They cannot (or should not) vote for any candidate other than what transpired in an earlier vote in their voting district

Corporate america is well represented in congress for sure, wish we the people were.

 

[Rich2018]

Hard to say as private donations and gifts ant normally a factor, and honestly all you need is a group to pool money for mutual benefited goals.

ie: you don't know of any politicians who are basically bribed by corporations and vote the way their corporate donors tell them to

But even without that 'corporations shouldn't ever been in our politics just like god,

That's a fair point. Certainly I think that no publicly owned corporation should make any political donation, without a mandate from the stock holders

As for God. Well people have the right to vote for who they want. If they want to vote for a bible thumping politician, you can't legitimately stop them from doing so.

 

[Rich2018]

Corporate america is well represented in congress for sure, wish we the people were.

Go on them, list the corporations represented in Congress, and the members of Congress who represent/support them.

 

[Master of kitusne]

Lets see, wag rights, medical rights, lgbtq rights, productive rights, womens rights, black america as a whole, imagination rights.


We can start with that, or we can talk 'bout how are working class is treated like indentured servants, forced to give up there life to a job, abandoned there children so that there is food and housing
Or how about the housing market atd bank bailouts.

 

[Secular Heckler]

Representatives and delegates are NOT synonyms

A representative, as the name suggests, represents the people in his/her voting district
That means that he/she votes/speaks/lobbies in Congress, in what he/she thinks is in their best interests of the people they represent, and not necessarily what they actually want on any given issue

Whereas a delegate attends a meeting/legislature/convention (typically to decide a single issue), and votes in accord with the majority in his/her voting district
An example would be the people voting for a party's presidential candidate. They cannot (or should not) vote for any candidate other than what transpired in an earlier vote in their voting district.

I like your idea here, but it needs work. I think the "best interest," and "according to the majority," is too difficult to distinguish, and unnecessary if we can define delegates as temporary and limited.

i think it very crass of you to insist that everybody should know the difference. Good thing you pay to be a member here.

 

[Master of kitusne]

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I like your idea here, but it needs work. I think the "best interest," and "according to the majority," is too difficult to distinguish, and unnecessary if we can define delegates as temporary and limited.

i think it very crass of you to insist that everybody should know the difference. Good thing you pay to be a member here.

Is into bad faith arguments, you can see it in hd in my one thread on the constitution.

He likes to detract, ignore, or nitpick a argument to death vs actually putting forth the same effort.

Also im a disabled writer that struggles to type, and i put forth , by the looks of it far more effort to deconstruct his arguments, then he to me.