The Constitution Is A JOKE!

[aociswundumho]

tobacco was so valued here in the American colonies that it was used as currency.

Whiskey too.

 

[plantpower]

Write a better one then

What good would that do. It's an old story. Here's proof.

 

[plantpower]

A side note on that as I was around when this was very fresh.

You have freedom of speech. This isn’t about freedom of speech. It’s about property rights. These privately owned open forums have property rights. They can, and do, limit what can be spoken in them.

Think of it like this… you have a right to carry a sign but not to post that sign on someone else’s property without their permission.

That’s the situation you’re dealing with here, the limited permission to post your signs on someone else’s property.



Marriage, fishing and hunting, have costs. Marriage licenses are about protecting contractual rights. It’s not the state sanctioning your social or religious right to be wed. It’s the recording and protection of the contractual rights. Hunting and fishing have conservation and management costs.

Should I pay because you want to enter a contract, or hunt and fishing? That licensing is use tax.



No one has a right to drive. You have a right to travel. Driving as the means is a privilege. You gave that privilege as long as you prove you have the skills and don’t violate the laws. The maintenance of that system costs money.. See above.





Tax on property is one of the oldest forms of taxation in recorded history. Running a local government and its services costs money. It’s got to be paid for somehow. It’s property taxes or income taxes. (In some large cities both).



We don’t have a democracy. We have a republic. It is a democratic republic in that each citizen has one vote to select who represents them in the various levels of that republic; legislative and executive branches.

1. You are wrong. It isn't about property. This is a place where people communicate with each other, is it not? That is the avenue in which this forum decided to take, isn't it. Well in taking that avenue, it must also take what comes with that line of work. Which must include freedom of speech.

2. Contractual rights is jibberish. In the Amazon Jungle, they have native tribes. If a couple go and bathe in a river together in the morning, they are considered to be married. In the ols South, all a negro couple had to do to be married is to jump over a broom handle together. Forcing people to pay for a marriage license to have the same end results is an infringement on your right to marry. As for anything having to do with paying for conservation officers, just let that come out of a general tax.

3. Do you have the right to walk? Or is it a "privilege." Driving should be no different. Because both are just about as easy to do.

4. You are probably right about property taxes. But that doesn't make it right. Or moral. If the government needs money, it should just come out of a general tax that everybody has to pay. And the more you have, the more you should have to pay. It just so happens that in the past those who were considered wealthy were that way because they owned a lot of land. In that regard, taxing people for the land they owned is just natural.

5. You are just mincing words with democracy vs republic. And delving into the realm of legalese. In actuality, our government is neither of those things. Our form of government is a kakistocracy.

 

[rational anarchist]

Maybe you just don't want to know the truth. After all, that is how the government brainwashes people to be. The right to bear arms is what it says. Believe it or not.

I know the truth is the 1st A doesnt apply to private entities

 

[plantpower]

I learned this the hard way. We are just a country like any other. Humans do human stuff. The American thing is a pipe dream to be enjoyed by people that never encounter any legal entanglements.

Once you taste reality you can never untaste it again.

Well after reading this reply, I would have to wonder how anybody could be so stupid as to ban somebody over saying it. Or was it because of something else said someplace else. If so, I would like to know what it is. Because it sounds like interesting reading.

 

[plantpower]

Did you know that, today, you have to buy a license to watch TV in the UK?

Well I don't live in the UK. But it wouldn't surprise me. Why is it that they don't just do what we do here in the U.S. Where TV channels make their money by charging companies to show commercials on their channels.

 

[poppopfox]

In the Constitution is says that you have the right to bear arms. To "bear" them, that means the right to carry them. But the supreme court took that right away. We are also supposed to have freedom of speech in this country. Though the supreme court decided that private entities such as forum like this where people communicate with each other don't have to allow people freedom of speech. But if freedom of speech doesn't apply everywhere, it may as well apply nowhere. Also, do you have the freedom to get married in this country? No. You have to pay for a marriage license. Do you have the right to fish or hunt? No. You have to pay for a fishing or hunting license. Do you have the right to drive? No. You have to pay for a drivers license. (Among other things) Do you have the right to own property? No. You have to pay taxes on any property you have. There are probably other things. But that is all that is coming to mind right now.

Though when it comes to taxes, one of the principles our country was founded on was "No taxation without representation." But the average person has no representation in government. Politicians are bought and paid for by the wealthy. Which means that it isn't a democracy either. To be a true democracy, those in government would have to be placed in office by lottery. Also, do you have the right to smoke? Basically, no. Unless you can pay for them. Or you have waste time to roll your own. That is due to taxes. The government taxes the hell out of cigarettes. But it is a punitive tax meant to force people to quit smoking. Though a punitive should not be illegal. The cigarette tax is just another means of taxing the poor more than anybody else. A long time ago in England they used to have a tax on windows. Though this wasn't meant to keep people from having windows. (But for many or possibly most, that is the effect it had) How screwed up is a tax on daylight!

Nice rant. Got any solutions?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

1. You are wrong. It isn't about property. This is a place where people communicate with each other, is it not? That is the avenue in which this forum decided to take, isn't it. Well in taking that avenue, it must also take what comes with that line of work. Which must include freedom of speech.

Sorry, I am not giving you opinion. I stating to you the current standard and precedent of statute and case law on the subject. You can disagree but you'd be arguing against decided law on the matter. If you want it different, change the law.

2. Contractual rights is jibberish.

No, contractual rights are a matter of case and statute law. Maintaining their upkeep is a matter of finding a way to pay for it. Licensing fees help do that.

3. Do you have the right to walk? Or is it a "privilege." Driving should be no different. Because both are just about as easy to do.

What you think it should be an what it is as a matter of law are two different things, apparently. Opine as you will, but the law will still be the law.

4. You are probably right about property taxes. But that doesn't make it right. Or moral.

Again, that is a matter of perception and I am not stating beliefs. I am just, once again, quoting the law as it stands on the matter and the reasoning behind it.

5. You are just mincing words with democracy vs republic. And delving into the realm of legalese. In actuality, our government is neither of those things. Our form of government is a kakistocracy.

OK, but it makes a difference. Anyway.... my point is my point. You are right in that the rest is side note.

 

[MSgt]

The highest government-run court in the land that ruled black people were the legitimate property of white people, and it was government that prevented black people from owning firearms in violation of the 2nd amendment.

This is why I always argue that America is the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution was a codified perversion of it. And this is why, over the course of 236 years since the 1788 ratification, the Constitution has seen Amendment after Amendment to either correct its mistakes or keep American society complimentary to the changing of time.

And the irony of this is that not much has changed today. The Constitution was allowed to be a perversion so that contemporary people didn't have to feel a loss of power. While slavery was provided for and women weren't even documented, today, "conservative" America sees any sense of a leg up for minorities as a direct threat. Blacks and women may not be subjugated anymore, but they aren't exactly seen as equal to the white Christian male either. Just look at the reaction to Obama being elected. Look how they treat Hillary or Harris.

 

[MSgt]

Nice rant. Got any solutions?

Solutions to what? He clearly has no understanding.

Aside from the fact that the Constitution is more about government not infringing on basic rights, which exist in the absence of government, he declared that the Constitution gave us the right to walk and drive.

He comes off as a High School kid.

 

[Rich2018]

It generates revenue, and has to generate more than it spends. If it does generate more than it spends, how is that not profit?

Except it doesn't

Hence the obscenely high national debt

And if ever the US government raise more in taxation than it spent, the surplus would instantly be swallowed up by the massive debt mountain.

The people who represent the state only do so if they are paid. There is certainly nothing charitable about how the state operates. Every politician and bureaucrat is a self-interest maximizer.

Like the US Army. Not on general would work for free.

 

[plantpower]

Nice rant. Got any solutions?

Yes, I have plenty of solutions. And an in depth reasoning behind them. But the thing is, almost certainly you are part of and support the problems. And so does this forum. Either you wouldn't want to hear the solutions or this forum wouldn't allow it.

 

[plantpower]

Do you have any examples of the government throwing anyone in prison for things they have said on this forum?



You can get married without one. The license is just to get official state recognition of the marriage. Also, the right to marry is not in the Constitution.



Those aren't in the Constitution either.




Also not in the Constitution.




That doesn't mean you don't have the right to own property. There are various types of property ownership, with various types of liens and other encumbrances.

You agree to the liens and encumbrances as part of purchasing the property. If you don't find the liens and encumbrances of a property acceptable, you always have the option to just not buy it.

If one person owns the surface rights to a plot of land, and another owns the mineral rights, you can't purchase the mineral rights from the person who only has surface rights, and vice versa. If you want sovereignty rights to a plot of land, you have to purchase them from whoever holds the sovereignty rights.ably figured that it wasn't worth mentioning.

1. How can they be thrown in jail for something they aren't allowed to say to begin with.

2. All you have to do to make a marriage recognized by the government is to have it recorded in a ledger somewhere. Such as at a church. Also, you have the right to breathe. As with marriage, those who wrote the Constitution probably thought it wasn't worth mentioning.

3. Well apparently they should have been.

4. Many people back then drove a horse and carriage. Just like marriage or breathing, those who wrote the Constitution probably didn't think it was worth mentioning.

5. Sovereignty rights? The government owns those. And they aren't selling.

 

[Rich2018]

Yes, I have plenty of solutions. And an in depth reasoning behind them. But the thing is, almost certainly you are part of and support the problems. And so does this forum. Either you wouldn't want to hear the solutions or this forum wouldn't allow it.

Care to share any ?

 

[plantpower]

You need to take a course in basic constitutional law. It is clear from your post you are clueless.

"Take a course?" That would be like taking a course given by a fox on how best to protect a chicken coop. Now, I will give you some real knowledge about Constitutional law. No matter how any law is written, it means whatever those in power says it means. You might also find this meme interesting.

 

[plantpower]

Care to share any ?

Said the spider to the fly. I have been at many forums over the years. I have had discussions with hundreds, possibly thousands of people. Only on a few occasions have I ever found anybody who was interested in knowing the REAL truth. And even fewer willing to help get it to be spoken. I expect even less from anybody around here. Though it comes from a fictional movie, this meme will help explain why.

 

[plantpower]

Whiskey too.

Whiskey, not so much. Whiskey was made on both sides of the Atlantic. While tobacco was a plant only native to the Western Hemisphere.

 

[plantpower]

I know the truth is the 1st A doesnt apply to private entitiese made illegal to exist.

Well speech in whatever form and in any location does. If any business-private entity in the U.S. goes against the Constitution, it should be made illegal to exist.

 

[rational anarchist]

Well speech in whatever form and in any location does. If any business-private entity in the U.S. goes against the Constitution, it should be made illegal to exist.

according to the 1st A it doesnt,,

are you saying I can walk in your house and just say what ever I want??
you are a private entity,,

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

1. How can they be thrown in jail for something they aren't allowed to say to begin with.

That is generally what happens when people do things that the government doesn't allow them to do.

2. All you have to do to make a marriage recognized by the government is to have it recorded in a ledger somewhere. Such as at a church. Also, you have the right to breathe. As with marriage, those who wrote the Constitution probably thought it wasn't worth mentioning.

You obviously don't need to pay for a license in order to record your wedding in a ledger somewhere, so what's the problem?

3. Well apparently they should have been.

Why should you have the right to other people's fish and game without paying for it?

4. Many people back then drove a horse and carriage. Just like marriage or breathing, those who wrote the Constitution probably didn't think it was worth mentioning.

And mention it they didn't.

5. Sovereignty rights? The government owns those. And they aren't selling.

Sometimes governments sell them. The Louisiana Purchase and Alaska Purchase come to mind.

 

[poppopfox]

Yes, I have plenty of solutions. And an in depth reasoning behind them. But the thing is, almost certainly you are part of and support the problems. And so does this forum. Either you wouldn't want to hear the solutions or this forum wouldn't allow it.

Okay. So you say.

 

[Rich2018]

That is generally what happens when people do things that the government doesn't allow them to do.

Like rape, murder and participating in an insurrection riot.

You obviously don't need to pay for a license in order to record your wedding in a ledger somewhere, so what's the problem?

A tax on marriage !
Next you'll have to pay for a birth certificate, a tax on being born !

Why should you have the right to other people's fish and game without paying for it?

People should be free to come into your back yard and hunt your dog with a shotgun!

And mention it they didn't.

Yep, they never gave the government the authority to tax your horse & carriage.

Sometimes governments sell them. The Louisiana Purchase and Alaska Purchase come to mind.

Trump's enquiry about the price of Greenland ?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Well speech in whatever form and in any location does. If any business-private entity in the U.S. goes against the Constitution, it should be made illegal to exist.

If you respect my freedom of speech, you must use your next post to say "@AConcernedCitizen was right, and I was wrong. I am humbled by their intellect and wit."

If you don't let me use your posts to say what I want, then you are infringing on my right to free speech, just like all those websites that refuse to use their platform to publish whatever inflammatory content you want to say with social impunity.

 

[Rich2018]

If you respect my freedom of speech, you must use your next post to say "@AConcernedCitizen was right, and I was wrong. I am humbled by their intellect and wit."

If you don't let me use your posts to say what I want, then you are infringing on my right to free speech, just like all those websites that refuse to use their platform to publish whatever inflammatory content you want to say with social impunity.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything you want.

 

[eohrnberger]

"Take a course?" That would be like taking a course given by a fox on how best to protect a chicken coop. Now, I will give you some real knowledge about Constitutional law. No matter how any law is written, it means whatever those in power says it means. You might also find this meme interesting.

This applicable to the tax code, for sure.