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The Christian demand for truth was its own demise.

Jacksprat said:
Right, that is the point. They know it cannot be true so they double down on lying. They pretend to know not it is myth.
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Perhaps the fact is that you pretend not to know that it is the eternal Truth. Nietzsche's words--"every refined conscience considers it to be indecent, dishonest, a form of mendacity, effeminacy, weakness, cowardice"--are artful, but they reflect only his opinion.

For those interested: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nietzsche-moral-political/
 
Gateman_Wen said:
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lol
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I will acknowledge that I get annoyed at times by sanctimonious, shit-for-brains leftists, but am quite sure I have never been butt-hurt. I come here to relax and make fun of you guys, I have never been offended by anything said here
 
Fletch said:
I will acknowledge that I get annoyed at times by sanctimonious, shit-for-brains leftists, but am quite sure I have never been butt-hurt. I come here to relax and make fun of you guys, I have never been offended by anything said here
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What was that last post?

Oh yeah:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
What was that last post?

Oh yeah:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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The last post was a reply to yours. As an atheist, I have no reason to feel anything from this thread. So your dopey attacks are just lame and, well, dopey.
 

What does "God is dead" mean?​

Philosophy had shown that governments no longer needed to be organized around the idea of divine right to be legitimate, but rather by the consent or rationality of the governed — that large and consistent moral theories could exist without reference to God. Europe no longer needed God as the source for all morality, value, or order in the universe; philosophy and science were capable of doing that for us. This increasing secularization of thought in the West led the philosopher to realize that not only was God dead but also that human beings had killed him with their scientific revolution, their desire to better understand the world.

https://bigthink.com/thinking/what-n...y-god-is-dead/
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tosca1 said:
What cockamamie "demise" of Christianity, is that title on about?

Lol -there are other worst things than the "demand for truth," that has happened.
We have so many false teachings. We have so many distractions that keep us riveted to worldly pleasures. 😁
And yet - Christianity is very much alive and well. It will stay that way!
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Christianity is, by its own admission, not after an objective and sober understanding of truth. It is ultimately based on "faith"- thinking it's OK to believe things just because they make you feel good.

No surprise, therefore, that they are the same group of people who fall for all sorts of other nonsense- from Q, to all of Trump's lies, to scammer priests and preachers.

Once one gets used to thinking it's OK to believe stuff because it feels good, there is no end to the amount of nonsense which can be fed to them.

"Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
-Thomas Jefferson
 
ataraxia said:
Christianity is, by its own admission, not after an objective and sober understanding of truth. It is ultimately based on "faith"- thinking it's OK to believe things just because they make you feel good.

No surprise, therefore, that they are the same group of people who fall for all sorts of other nonsense- from Q, to all of Trump's lies, to scammer priests and preachers.

Once one gets used to thinking it's OK to believe stuff because it feels good, there is no end to the amount of nonsense which can be fed to them.

"Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
-Thomas Jefferson
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I have no problem with religion as myth helping people with psychological needs. But if it is proposed as truth I expect a higher standard of evaluation.
 
ataraxia said:
Christianity is, by its own admission, not after an objective and sober understanding of truth. It is ultimately based on "faith"- thinking it's OK to believe things just because they make you feel good.

No surprise, therefore, that they are the same group of people who fall for all sorts of other nonsense- from Q, to all of Trump's lies, to scammer priests and preachers.

Once one gets used to thinking it's OK to believe stuff because it feels good, there is no end to the amount of nonsense which can be fed to them.

"Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck."
-Thomas Jefferson
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With great respect for President Jefferson, my mind is not a wreck. Yes, there are people who are credulous fools and gullible--I'd say "vulnerable"--and among them are those of no religious faith at all.

No respect for you for lumping in people of faith with "the same group of people who fall for all sorts of other nonsense- from Q, to all of Trump's lies...." Bwahahaha, that really says it all. I cannot roll my eyes enough.

And how cheap to reduce faith to "feeling good." If one is making a genuine effort to grow spiritually, this requires sacrifice and self-examination that can be very painful.

For those of faith, God IS the rudder.
 
nota bene said:
With great respect for President Jefferson, my mind is not a wreck. Yes, there are people who are credulous fools and gullible--I'd say "vulnerable"--and among them are those of no religious faith at all.

No respect for you for lumping in people of faith with "the same group of people who fall for all sorts of other nonsense- from Q, to all of Trump's lies...." Bwahahaha, that really says it all. I cannot roll my eyes enough.
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No, it's actually a fact that conspiracy theories like Q have a particular predilection to spreading in communities of faith.



That's because there is no difference in mindset. Once you get used to thinking it's OK and legitimate to believe in that way, you leave yourself wide open to all sorts of craziness.

"The Christian believes there is more to reality than meets the eye. The apostle Paul wrote to an early church community, “we live by faith, not by sight” (2 Corinthians 5:7). And Jesus taught his disciples, “blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 19:29). I cannot see or observe God as I might a cell under a microscope, and so I live by faith or trust in God’s previous revelation in history.

On account of such beliefs, David Robertson argues that conspiracy theories and Christianity are evidentially equivalent: “from a philosophical point of view, there is nothing inherently more irrational about any of these [conspiratorial] claims” when compared to Christian belief. The reason QAnon is deemed odd, but not Christianity, is purely contextual — the result of a developed acceptability over time."
www.abc.net.au

Why are Christians susceptible to conspiracy theories? - ABC Religion & Ethics

Why are so many Christians to be found in the ranks of today’s conspiracy theorists? Why is a movement like QAnon — which claims that Donald Trump is waging a secret war against “a worldwide cabal of Satan-worshipping paedophiles” — so popular among evangelicals? Is this because certain tenets...
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Jacksprat said:
Philosophy had shown that governments no longer needed to be organized around the idea of divine right to be legitimate, but rather by the consent or rationality of the governed — that large and consistent moral theories could exist without reference to God. Europe no longer needed God as the source for all morality, value, or order in the universe; philosophy and science were capable of doing that for us. This increasing secularization of thought in the West led the philosopher to realize that not only was God dead but also that human beings had killed him with their scientific revolution, their desire to better understand the world.
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Your bolded morality statement above is kind of the point isn't it? I mean if someone like Nietzsche proposes that so called moral theories like his could exist without reference to God, on what basis would you refute him? Nietzsche proposed that Christianity "fights on the side of those disinherited and condemned by life", yet he stood against Christianity for that very reason, and denounced the the Christian ideal as loving the weak and ill-constituted, and instead cherished the death of the weak and ill-constituted in the name of progress. Hell, you suggest that all Jews are liars, all Christians are liars, and continually give space to a guy like Nietzsche.

Why?
 
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