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If the Vatican is trying to restore the impression that its moral sense is intact, issuing a document that equates pedophilia with the ordination of women doesn’t really do that.
The Pope is not the mediator between God and Man, Jesus is, the priests have no power to forgive sins, you cannot baptize infants because they are too young to choose to follow Jesus, Mary needed Jesus as her own savior and called him so, no work we do can possibly get us into heaven because one sin keeps us out and only innocent sacrifices cover sins, and Jesus paid the price for all. Paul wrote to Rome and was the Apostle of the Gentiles while Peter was the Apostle to the Jews. God is the only Father and no other man is to be called by that title. There is only one name under heaven whereby men shall be saved and that's Jesus, not Mary. And the saints are the Body of Christ and all the prophets, not random people chosen by humans based on human standards.
The Pope is not the mediator between God and Man, Jesus is, the priests have no power to forgive sins, you cannot baptize infants because they are too young to choose to follow Jesus, Mary needed Jesus as her own savior and called him so, no work we do can possibly get us into heaven because one sin keeps us out and only innocent sacrifices cover sins, and Jesus paid the price for all. Paul wrote to Rome and was the Apostle of the Gentiles while Peter was the Apostle to the Jews. God is the only Father and no other man is to be called by that title. There is only one name under heaven whereby men shall be saved and that's Jesus, not Mary. And the saints are the Body of Christ and all the prophets, not random people chosen by humans based on human standards.
Welcome back to the board. I'm sort of new, but I think we're gonna get along just fine. I completely agree with everything you just said.
her characterization of catholics is false, as is yours.
With all due respect, I disagree with you. The Catholic Church has not only brought us pedophile priests, but Torqumada and the Inquisition, in which many thousands of Jews and others were tortured to death, indulgences, praying to mortals, the belief that only through the Catholic Church can your sins be forgiven, the belief that a Pope can excommunicate you from the church and condemn you to hell, on his word alone, and many other blasphemies and heresies.
I do belive in God and Jesus, but I also have my problems with religion, mostly with the "my way or the highway to hell" approach that the Catholic church, and also many protestant churches use. Churches are quick to condemn, and have very few, if any, of the qualities that Christ taught. Let me give you two examples, one from my own life, and another in which scripture is taken out of context.
1) I am half Jewish and half Irish Catholic (a deadly combination - LOL), whose father became Protestant soon after I was born, so I was brought up protestant. My wife was brought up Catholic. When we went to get married, her priest refused to perform the ceremony unless I became Catholic. When I didn't, he attempted to get my wife to leave me, telling her that I was bound for hell, and would take her with me. My baptist minister refused to perform the ceremony, telling me that she was Catholic and was going to hell. We got married in a Christian Reformed Church. Both the Baptist and the Catholic clerics said our marriage would not last, because God was not in it (Damn hypocrites). 38 years later, our marriage is still going strong. Screw them!
2) Many Catholics and Protestants claim that Jews are going to hell, because they had to live by the law, and only grace can get you into heaven. This is also blasphemy. Why didn't they bother to understand that the books of the law handed down to Moses were kept inside the Holy of Holies, underneath the judgment seat of God? "Above the law" is very evident here, and shows the grace of God towards the Jewish people. Most of those who would deny the Jewish people their fair share of "heaven" are the same people who claim that the Jews killed Christ, although it was the Romans who did it.
God is great, but man is ignorant as hell, and shows that ignorance in a big way, through many of the various churches. Churches don't have to be opulent large gatherings inside of ornate buildings. Jesus said a church exists where 2 or more are gathered in his name. In a true church, the Pope, a minister, a rabbi, or what have you, do not intercede to God on your behalf. God gives his grace to all. Many of these self-righteous leaders are just not needed, and are even a "stumbling block" to salvation.
My 2 cents, for what it's worth.
I was in a hurry when I wrote that yesterday, but those were things I found straight out of the Bible, while reading it in my own time, that the Catholics go directly against, also that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. So how does the Pope justify making up new rules on a whim? And something about the Catholic church has always creeped me out a bit. Why do they make you go into those dark boxes to confess your sins to a Priest? That doesn't even sound like the God I know. With him I can go out on a beautiful sunny day, look up at him and smile, and pray for forgivness and whatever else comes to mind without involving anyone else. Honestly, I can't figure out what God thinks of Catholics, because the organization does all that against the Bible, but I can't tell if it's an "other Jesus" that the deciples warned people to not heed. I guess it's between him and them, but that is what I've noticed.
As for me, I was raised Baptist with a strong Biblical foundation. Jesus is my Rock and I take the Bible's word above any church. I'm sorry the Baptist didn't act right to you Dana, but from the Bible and even church, I was always taught that God has not forgotten Israel. But, technically the Jews did crucify Jesus when they asked for the freedom of the murderer Barrabbas and yelled "Crucify Him" to Jesus. That was their hearts rejecting Him. But God is still in control and we are not supposed to hate Jews. (Or anyone else)
I was in a hurry when I wrote that yesterday, but those were things I found straight out of the Bible, while reading it in my own time, that the Catholics go directly against, also that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. So how does the Pope justify making up new rules on a whim? And something about the Catholic church has always creeped me out a bit. Why do they make you go into those dark boxes to confess your sins to a Priest? That doesn't even sound like the God I know. With him I can go out on a beautiful sunny day, look up at him and smile, and pray for forgivness and whatever else comes to mind without involving anyone else. Honestly, I can't figure out what God thinks of Catholics, because the organization does all that against the Bible, but I can't tell if it's an "other Jesus" that the deciples warned people to not heed. I guess it's between him and them, but that is what I've noticed.
As for me, I was raised Baptist with a strong Biblical foundation. Jesus is my Rock and I take the Bible's word above any church. I'm sorry the Baptist didn't act right to you Dana, but from the Bible and even church, I was always taught that God has not forgotten Israel. But, technically the Jews did crucify Jesus when they asked for the freedom of the murderer Barrabbas and yelled "Crucify Him" to Jesus. That was their hearts rejecting Him. But God is still in control and we are not supposed to hate Jews. (Or anyone else)
Pedaphiles are hardwired wrong. Or short-circuited somehow. I don't have a problem with the pedaphiles (well, of course, I do, but my meaning will be clear here), I have a problem with the people within the Catholic church who covered up their actions. Those who "sent the offenders along" to yet another parish to wreak havoc on still more children. Instead of calling 911. I cannot imagine why those people aren't in jail.
I have a problem with their charitable arm -- St. Vincent's DePaul -- who uses their charitable funds to send their more important volunteers on junkets all over the world.
They're the most inclusionary religion within Christianity. Lots more problems I have with the Catholic Church, but those are two biggies.
Freudian!!! Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! EXclusionary.Too late to edit, I'm stuck with it.
Look, here is the deal with Barrabbas. He was a hero to the Jews. He killed an occupying Roman soldier. All Pilate did was play one end against the other. He gave them a choice of Jesus or their hero. Naturally, they chose their hero. The Romans killed Christ, not the Jews. The belief that the Jews did it comes straight from Satan himself, as the result of Pilate's Satanic trickery.
Look, here is the deal with Barrabbas. He was a hero to the Jews. He killed an occupying Roman soldier. All Pilate did was play one end against the other. He gave them a choice of Jesus or their hero. Naturally, they chose their hero. The Romans killed Christ, not the Jews. The belief that the Jews did it comes straight from Satan himself, as the result of Pilate's Satanic trickery.
the pope doesn't just change things "on a whim".......and i can go outside and do the same thing. it's always a problem when people get caught up in doctrine, and it sounds like you have. beware that, it's how people end up killing people in the name of religion. i KNOW god doesn't give a flip about your religion. he cares about your soul.
Technically according to Christian theology, we all killed Christ. It was the Romans who implemented the crucifixion and the Jews who called for it and demanded it. But Jesus willingly chose to die for us. Essentially all sinners (all people) killed Jesus, because we need his sacrifice to be forgiven. The whole "Jews are Christ killers" is foolish and those who advocate it don't understand what really happened at the cross themselves.
I think this statement cuts right to the heart of the matter. How can a church that supported child molestation for all these years claim to be God's word on anything, especially the ordination of women? How many child molesters in this world are women? I would say quite a lot fewer than men, and orders of magnitude less than Catholic priests. Female priests? Sounds like an idea whose time has come. If not for the reputation of the church, then at least do it for the children.
Read the entire article here. It makes a lot of sense.
technically the Jews did crucify Jesus when they asked for the freedom of the murderer Barrabbas and yelled "Crucify Him" to Jesus.
not hate the jews that tortured yer god? very broad minded of you. but no, technically, "the jews" did not kill jesus. Jesus of Nazareth died on a crucifix, a device of torture and death devised and implemented by Rome. Jesus was escorted to the hilltop not by jewish soldiers (there were none) but by Roman soldiers. He was nailed to the cross by romans, romans gambled for his possessions and romans dispersed the crowd. when he complained of thirst, he was tormented by romans. when it became clear that he would not die before sunset the night before Shabbat, he was run through with a spear by Romans to speed up the process. he was removed from the cross by romans.
he was prepared for burial and buried by jews.
you say you read the book but still believe the misrepresentations taught to you by anti-semitic, ignorant fundamentalists. shame. if there is a god and he gave you the brain in your head, consider that he may have had reasons other then to keep yer ears from whistling as the wind passes through.
and think about what you read... consider... the episode to which you refer is reported in the gospel of john... the only non-jew among the gospel writers who had an obvious antagonism for the leadership of the palestinian jewish community of the time who had the bad taste to suggest that Johns teachings were anathema... which of course, to any observant jew, they were.
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