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The case for compulsory vaccinations is dead…Omicron just killed it.

VySky said:
And with Fauci saying the definition of fully vaccinated is going to change. Get ready all you booster holdouts, you're going to take it one way or the other
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Just like they have been taking it up the you know what since Fausti said masks work af he said they didn’t a d it would take only 15 days to bend the curve and Trump was wrong to shit down China and a vaccin would take two years and made no mention of several boosters.
 
Paradoxical said:
Just like they have been taking it up the you know what since Fausti said masks work af he said they didn’t a d it would take only 15 days to bend the curve and Trump was wrong to shit down China and a vaccin would take two years and made no mention of several boosters.
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And his whining to 'just hold on a little longer until we get the vaccine" Clearly he had more confidence in the vaccine than I have.
 
VySky said:
And his whining to 'just hold on a little longer until we get the vaccine" Clearly he had more confidence in the vaccine than I have.
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These control freaks imagine themselves as some sort of Czar or overlord of some fiefdom where they put out edicts and everyone must bow and obey.
 
Actually the mask slows the spread of the Virus when you cough/spittle or sneeze. from blowing out all over hell to basically on your face. The reason Medical people wear one is to insure the people they treat of as clean of a place as it can be. The virus is so small that it clings to moisture droplets by the millions. U know you can only see this lil guy with an electron microscope. It is basically the smallest living thing. Of course its only a strand of DNA/RNA in a tiny lil useless package. It has no mind, no brain, no recollection of day or night. It simply is and replicates thru biology of being ! The better you inhibit its traveling around the slower it can spread and infect. Reason to stop Intercontinental travel is to slow its spread while science continues to study and understand it. Reason all those Jets are parked in the Desert is to slow its spread.
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Yea Trump did that ! There is so much absolutely Nutz talk here. So don't take your meds!
 
snakestretcher said:
Ah yes, the predictable Nazi reference. Tell me, why are you so frightened of being encouraged to be vaccinated? Are there any 'freedoms' you imagine are being violated-or is this simply an example of stubborn refusal for partisan political reasons?
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If a person wants to get vaccinated, fine, I don't have a problem with that. If a person does not want to get vaccinated, fine, it is their right. I have been without freedoms (aka enforced medical discrimination) for several months. NSW opens up to the unvaccinated on December 15th, so I am patiently hanging in until then. My choice has nothing to do with political reasons, none whatsoever.

By the way, I can't understand why I am still alive, because I should be dead. I have numerous health issues, I do not use the chemical sanitisers that are everywhere (however, I do wash my hands several times a day, especially after shopping), I am unvaccinated, and I regularly go shopping in the supermarkets. Should be dead. Anyway, I have had pneumonia three times, been hospitalised once with it, trust me, the flu does not scare me, even if it is a particularly nasty strain of it. If I do die of this version of the flu, then that is my fault. Anyone who is vaccinated should not have to worry, because, well, they are vaccinated!

“Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?”

“Name any other medicine that doesn’t work, where it’s failure to work is blamed on those who’ve not taken it.”
 
LadyMoonlight said:
If a person wants to get vaccinated, fine, I don't have a problem with that. If a person does not want to get vaccinated, fine, it is their right. I have been without freedoms (aka enforced medical discrimination) for several months. NSW opens up to the unvaccinated on December 15th, so I am patiently hanging in until then. My choice has nothing to do with political reasons, none whatsoever.

By the way, I can't understand why I am still alive, because I should be dead. I have numerous health issues, I do not use the chemical sanitisers that are everywhere (however, I do wash my hands several times a day, especially after shopping), I am unvaccinated, and I regularly go shopping in the supermarkets. Should be dead. Anyway, I have had pneumonia three times, been hospitalised once with it, trust me, the flu does not scare me, even if it is a particularly nasty strain of it. If I do die of this version of the flu, then that is my fault. Anyone who is vaccinated should not have to worry, because, well, they are vaccinated!

“Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?”

“Name any other medicine that doesn’t work, where it’s failure to work is blamed on those who’ve not taken it.”
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Nice post.

Hope things are well with you.
 
Lady Moonlight of Australia. Good luck Aussies, fair sailing and all that Crap ! U got bigger fish to fry!
 
LadyMoonlight said:
If a person wants to get vaccinated, fine, I don't have a problem with that. If a person does not want to get vaccinated, fine, it is their right. I have been without freedoms (aka enforced medical discrimination) for several months. NSW opens up to the unvaccinated on December 15th, so I am patiently hanging in until then. My choice has nothing to do with political reasons, none whatsoever.

By the way, I can't understand why I am still alive, because I should be dead. I have numerous health issues, I do not use the chemical sanitisers that are everywhere (however, I do wash my hands several times a day, especially after shopping), I am unvaccinated, and I regularly go shopping in the supermarkets. Should be dead. Anyway, I have had pneumonia three times, been hospitalised once with it, trust me, the flu does not scare me, even if it is a particularly nasty strain of it. If I do die of this version of the flu, then that is my fault. Anyone who is vaccinated should not have to worry, because, well, they are vaccinated!

“Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place?”

“Name any other medicine that doesn’t work, where it’s failure to work is blamed on those who’ve not taken it.”
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The first thing you need to understand is that Covid is not the flu, is nothing like the flu and it can kill you in days-especially if you're clinically vulnerable. Get vaccinated; you've been lucky so far. Don't be the next statistic. Furthermore with this newly emergent Omicron variant scientists are still uncertain how it behaves; particularly concerning is the possibility that current vaccines won't work against it.
 
Overitall said:
Usually a doctor only recommends a specific treatment for an ailment. He never "mandates" and especially doesn't "mandate" the same treatment for all his patients. That's what "case by case" means -- tailored to the individual, rather than the masses.
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AfaIk, Drs never "mandate" things.

The subject of discussion is govt mandates that eligible citizens get vaccinated e.g. like we've done for school kids for decades and decades
 
Simon W. Moon said:
AfaIk, Drs never "mandate" things.
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Precisely my point.
Simon W. Moon said:
The subject of discussion is govt mandates that eligible citizens get vaccinated e.g. like we've done for school kids for decades and decades
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The government shouldn't take the place of doctors. It has enough on its plate of screwups to work on -- like the economy.
 
Only right-wingers have a problem "falling for alleged scams involving health" while preferring to try to criminalize poverty under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France
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The underlying stupidity of this thread is that it assumes that because omicron has arrived, that alpha and delta just vanished.

Dismissed with mockery.
 
Those 1000's of hard working Micro Biologists with Masters Degrees are doing a good thing.

In response to the thread above about Government Mandates for Vaccinations due to Virus etc, you got Public health, you got public water, you got public sewer systems, you got regulations on gasoline, Electricity, Natural Gas. Heck the Governments are into everything except your daily trip to the throne room times. Hell you can't even ride a rocket with out the Governments approvals. Geesh OSHA, EPA, Social Workers, Bars, Saloons, hair and nail trimmers all have government regulations. So you got a few rights with the Constitution. You can climb a tall tree and fall out without breaking one of them. Unless you do it for a job. Then you have to have fall protection with OSHA restraint laws to meet. You can't haul with out a Placard, you have to wear Hazmat suits, If you drive a 18 wheeler you got to get some rest whenever you reach your total hours continuously. Heck in Florida you even got to buy a Sun Pass to drive from Miami to Orlando. See even that right to travel has government laws messing around wid you. Sure just fly. Look at Illinois, you either have a pass port or a real Identity drivers license to fly to anywhere USA. So all this Bickering about the Government taking away your rights well thas really old news. You are identified from the Crib until you are well past Cremation.

To me the great thing about living in this great US of A. is being able to walk around in my own yard, decide when to paint the house, drive up to whatever metro mart or store of my choosing, obey all those wonderful protective laws and just be contented that someone will always be trying to pass me, cut me off, get there quicker than me and above all else have a more expensive truck than i have !
 
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Mongidig said:
We are currently in the process of testing compulsory vaccine mandates in Austria and Germany. Hopefully it turns out to be a success and we can immediately lock down the unvaccinated here in the US.

It's gonna be a dark winter for the unvaccinated.
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That will be fun to watch (you try).
 
The Science is gonna prove with statistics that you are very safe with the Booster and very unsafe sucking in those micro drops of Virus every time you open your mouth and talk with a stranger, friend, relative, postman or Metro Mart employee. Its been proven that after 1 minute conversation the micro droplets totally disburse throughout the entire building in just a few minutes. One sick person, not knowing it can infect 1000's over the course of a few hours at any indoor restaurant/arena/bar that does not have tremendous ventilation. Just wearing a mask and he cuts that way down by containing the micro droplets in the mask. Not perfect but a heck of a lot of protection to others.
 
I was looking for a current omicron thread and found this one. I wanted a place to post this new piece I ran across this morning, without starting a new thread. I just found this to be a pretty reasonable omicron update.

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Simon W. Moon said:
Doctors inform government policy.
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They certainly tried in the case of the booster rollout, but the government decided to make a government decision before even hearing from the doctors. The FDA expert vaccine committee hadn't even met yet when Biden announced his booster plan. Then, that committee met and didn't agree with the already announced Biden plan. Since then, what committee? They've either resigned due to their disagreement with the FDA decision to proceed despite the no vote of the expert committee or those remaining are no longer consulted. So, this particular government decides independently of doctors and then only "listens" to doctors who will agree to "agree" with already made government decisions. That's part of the reason that, in the U.S., natural immunity is still blatantly and purposely ignored.
Here in the U.S., government makes the decisions and doctors decide to "agree" or they are bypassed or ignored.
What that situation has resulted in is a huge lack of trust - and very understandably so. Of the fully vaccinated group, less than 30% have gotten the booster - and this group is a group that previously chose to get fully vaccinated! That's because the government's so called "science" isn't resonating anymore. It's now become political narratives/mandates void of science.
It will be VERY interesting to see what happens when Fauci decides to redefine the definition of fully vaccinated to be 3 shots and the government tries to impose and enforce mandates around that new definition - all while not still not including natural immunity in any equation.
 
gbg3 said:
Of the fully vaccinated group, less than 30% have gotten the booster - and this group is a group that previously chose to get fully vaccinated!
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While it is true that less than 30% of the fully vaccinated have already received the vaccine the numbers are growing as more become eligible given how long it was once their last vaccination and their age. The numbers in November were up sharply from October. According to this article, only 18% of those fully vaccinated say they will likely or definitely not get a booster. Although there is a bit of an increase in reluctance from September the arrival of omicron seems to have narrowed that.

I am hopeful that with the surges we are seeing in Delta cases more people will decide it's not worth the risk and get their shots.

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Nearly a Quarter of Vaccinated Adults Received a COVID-19 Booster Shot, Up Sharply from October; Most Other Vaccinated Adults Expect to Get a Booster, Though About 1 in 5 Say They Likely Won’t | KFF

Public is Less Optimistic and More Frustrated with State of Vaccinations Now Than in January Nearly a quarter (23%) of fully vaccinated adults have already received a COVID-19 booster shot, more than double the share who had done so in October (10%), the latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor...
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