The Book of Revelation - should it be thrown out of the Bible?

[Exquisitor]

It cannot be any country/political empire but refers to something else because John said she commits sexual immorality with the kings of the earth...

“Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and earth’s inhabitants were made drunk with the wine of her sexual immorality.” Revelation 17:1,2

That's what they do with their money.

 

[M1Gringo]

Fanatical Fundamenalists always know, who she is: The Catholic Church ....

I doubt it's the Catholic Church. It's probably the United States.

 

[M1Gringo]

“Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and earth’s inhabitants were made drunk with the wine of her sexual immorality.” Revelation 17:1,2

That describes the U.S. to a "T".

 

[Daisy]

That's what they do with their money.

Huh?

 

[Phys251]

Book of Revelation - Wikipedia

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The Book of Revelation - should it be thrown out of the Bible?

No. Why would it be? It was a cryptic book designed to give Christians hope during Roman rule.

 

[Exquisitor]

Huh?

It's called corruption.

 

[Daisy]

That describes the U.S. to a "T".

Can't be...she doesn't commit immorality with herself but the kings of the nations...the merchants of the earth, she makes rich...

"For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury.” Revelation 18:

All the nations were misled by her...

"No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices all the nations were misled." Revelation 18:23

 

[Daisy]

It's called corruption.

Babylon the Great is a separate entity from the nations and the merchants...she sits on many waters, meaning people...IOW she rules many nations...who else does that but none other than false religion?

"He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. Revelation 17:15

 

[Exquisitor]

No. Why would it be? It was a cryptic book designed to give Christians hope during Roman rule.

It's cryptinatious is cryptonite.

It describes the golden age and beyond, without it we would know nothing, we would not know when He, or the Teachers and Avatars.

But thanks to its golden illumination, I have for you:

White Horse 2020-2026, 2030.5 first Teacher before. Un Antichrist.
Second Teacher between.
Red Horse 3000 third Teacher during (Isaiah 41:25- ). Antichrist American (speculatively) Christain birth.
Fourth Teacher between.
Black Horse 4000 First Avatar after (Isaiah 42, 41:27). Muslim "Judgement to the gentiles." Antichrist Mideast. Muslim birth.
Pale Horse 6500 height of golden age Tulsi avatar during. Antichrist Indian.
Martyrs Convergence 9000 Holy Name Avatar before, possible appearance of closing Avatar. Antichrist Jewish.
Closing convergences 11,500 closing Avatar. Antichrist European (guesses).
31,1500 first Trumpet closing Avatar (about a half hour of Kali Yuga Rev 8:1 ).

Maybe 5,000,000 the Alignment, Christ returns mid the second week. The year will be a Wednesday, you could count it from the White Horse.

Between Convergences the Antichrist gets to be a pig in the Hawaiian outback with Hitler and his henchmen (good hunting cousin) (tough luck mosquito food).

 

[Exquisitor]

Babylon the Great is a separate entity from the nations and the merchants...she sits on many waters, meaning people...IOW she rules many nations...who else does that but none other than false religion?

"He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. Revelation 17:15

America is an island sitting on many waters, she is a melting pot of peoples, crowds, nations and tongues.

 

[Daisy]

America is an island sitting on many waters, she is a melting pot of peoples, crowds, nations and tongues.

Um no...the immorality committed is with the kings of the earth...who is she unfaithful to? Jehovah God...

 

[Exquisitor]

Babylon the Great is a separate entity from the nations and the merchants...she sits on many waters, meaning people...IOW she rules many nations...who else does that but none other than false religion?

"He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. Revelation 17:15

Babylon is definitely not the Roman Catholic Church, although anyone can fulfill the prophesy of Babylon.

Babylon is only mentioned six times in the Revelation, and not until 14 after all the Trumpets and things (Thunders), not for hundreds-of-thousands of years, and then it says, "Babylon has fallen."

I like the last reference in Revelation, 18:21, a millstone thrown into the sea to be found no more at all, like the sinking of Atlantis.

 

[Exquisitor]

Um no...the immorality committed is with the kings of the earth...who is she unfaithful to? Jehovah God...

They both could be, but the Kings of the Earth turn to America, not the Church.

 

[Exquisitor]

Um no...the immorality committed is with the kings of the earth...who is she unfaithful to? Jehovah God...

God founded America.

Not that any of the Founders are God,

 

[Daisy]

God founded America.

Not that any of the Founders are God,

lol...

 

[LittleNipper]

Book of Revelation - Wikipedia

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The Book of Revelation - should it be thrown out of the Bible?

Go right ahead!

Revelation 22:18-19

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.​

 

[Rumpel]

The Book of Revelation is full of cruel nonsense.

 

[LittleNipper]

I doubt it's the Catholic Church. It's probably the United States.

More than likely it's the UNITED NATIONS.

 

[LittleNipper]

The Book of Revelation is full of cruel nonsense.

To put it better, in the final book of the Bible those Nazis get exactly what they deserve because they had been dishing it out on Israel in every attempt to crush, kill and destroy. If the Book of Revelation can be perceived as cruel, I can only express that the Third Reich was the precursor, and Hitler was an illustration of the ANTI-CHRIST yet to come.

 

[Daisy]

To put it better, in the final book of the Bible those Nazis get exactly what they deserve because they had been dishing it out on Israel in every attempt to crush, kill and destroy. If the Book of Revelation can be perceived as cruel, I can only express that the Third Reich was the precursor, and Hitler was an illustration of the ANTI-CHRIST yet to come.

Plenty of people who lived long before any Nazi deserve what is instore for them in the book of Revelation...why leave them out?

 

[Mircea]

Have you ever read it Rumpel?

Yeah. Have you?

b) it is my business as a still somehow Christian person to throw this perverse part out of the Bible, because it gives Chrsitianity a bad name.

Christianity already had a bad name. Dictators are the best thing since sliced bread. Slavery is fun and profitable. If you're not a good slave then you're defective and unworthy of god's love and women are 2nd class citizens to be ignored.

Fanatical Fundamenalists always know, who she is: The Catholic Church ....

That's absolutely right.

No, the book is very relevant to our day...

No, it isn't.

No. Why would it be? It was a cryptic book designed to give Christians hope during Roman rule.

That would be the long and short of it.

Babylon is definitely not the Roman Catholic Church, although anyone can fulfill the prophesy of Babylon.

It most certainly is the Roman Catholic Church. You claim to be an educator, but your reading comprehension skills are not impressive.

You completely ignore Revelation 1:11 in which John of Patmos is told to write down what he saw and send it to 7 churches.

Those 7 churches are all located in modern-day Turkey.

None are located in modern-day Italy in spite of the fact that there were churches in Rome, Milan, Ravenna and several other cities, and none are located in modern-day Greece, also in spite of the fact there were churches there.

That's because the churches in Italy and Greece had already gone to the "dark side" and could not possibly be saved.

The seven churches in Turkey at Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea could still be saved.

Three of those churches were steadfast and admirable and even though 4 of those churches waivered in faith, they could still be saved.

Note that Pergamum is in the "seat of Satan" because that's where the Roman administration was located.

 

[ataraxia]

Yes, along with rest of the bible. The whole lot is entirely worthless.

It's interesting to read as a work of literature- sorta like the Iliad or the Odyssey, or Dante's Divine Comedy, etc....

But I would not take it seriously.

 

[Mircea]

Nope, sorry, Babylon is America, read in Jermiah, it is a warning to America, not that she will be so destroyed, a potential outcome.

No, it isn't. I'll give you an additional block of education on the topic.

Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must happen at once (Greek =Τάχος = tachos).

Revelation 22:6 Then the angel said to me, “These words are reliable and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must happen soon.” (Greek = Τάχος = tachos).

The Greek word Τάχος (tachos) means “quickly, without delay, soon, at once.” Twenty centuries, two millennia or 2,000 years, however you want to call it is not “quickly, without delay, soon, at once.”

To adopt the position that the prophecies have not yet begun, one must reject god, reject the word of god, reject the prophet John of Patmos, and reject the Greek language.

This is the other passage bible everyone deceitfully ignores:

Revelation 22:10 Then he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy contained in this book, because the time is near."

Unsealed prophecies happen now, soon, quickly, immediately, at once, without delay, within days, weeks or months but never longer than 1-2 generations.

Prophecies that are “sealed” are intended to happen in the far distant future, meaning they do not begin to unfold for centuries.

That is not my opinion or interpretation; rather that is what the texts actually say.

Daniel 8:26 The vision of the evenings and mornings that was told to you is correct. But you should seal up the vision, for it refers to a time many days from now.”

Daniel 12:4 “But you, Daniel, close up these words and seal the book until the time of the end.”

Daniel 12:8 (b) So I said, “Sir, what will happen after these things?” 12:9 He said, “Go, Daniel. For these matters are closed and sealed until the time of the end.

Isaiah 29:11 To you this entire prophetic revelation is like words in a sealed scroll. When they hand it to one who can read and say, “Read this,” he responds, “I can’t, because it is sealed.”

These prophecies were “sealed” because they weren't intended to begin unfolding until centuries later.

Hopefully, everyone now understands the differences between a "sealed" prophecy and an "unsealed" prophecy.

The prophecies of Revelation were unsealed because they were to begin immediately, without delay, not centuries or millennium later.

Anyone who believes the prophecies are unfolding today is rejecting the word of their god.

 

[Overitall]

It's just telling us about the bad times so we can avoid them.

Some believe it's written to those left behind after the second coming of Jesus Christ. Christians are said to have escaped the wrath to come.

 

[Exquisitor]

No, it isn't. I'll give you an additional block of education on the topic.


These prophecies were “sealed” because they weren't intended to begin unfolding until centuries later.

Hopefully, everyone now understands the differences between a "sealed" prophecy and an "unsealed" prophecy.

The prophecies of Revelation were unsealed because they were to begin immediately, without delay, not centuries or millennium later.

Anyone who believes the prophecies are unfolding today is rejecting the word of their god.

Those Seals are all in the etheric.

The Thunders were sealed up, for the White Horse (2020-2030.5) the first Thunder is Maui burning down, and if I weren't making it rain, the UP would be burning down too. Really though, only the first Seal is prominent at the White Horse, can you guess what it was?

2020 White Horse, 3000 Red Horse, 4000 Black Horse, 6500 Pale Horse, 9000 Martyrs Convergence, 11500 Closing 41,500 first Trumpet. The Church is not Babylon, it is a warning to America. Do you want me to tell you which Teachers and Avatars appear when? The Second Teacher appears about 2300 and the closing Avatar could appear from before 9000 and reign unto 41,500. The merchants of the Earth go to America not the Church.

How about Rev 12:4 "And the dragon drew a third of the stars." That's the next Big Bang, maybe in 27 billion years. And chapter 13, "I stood upon the sand of the sea." Indicating cosmic scale and the potential for the Antichrist to carry on into the starry hosts.