The bodies weren't even cold yet...[W:363]

[TurtleDude]

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Nonsense as those links have clearly illustrated

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you just proved his point, in the very little amount of proof you proffered

 

[TurtleDude]

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The young woman he killed didn't even work at the tv station when the killer did. She'd never met him. And the killer had been fired from several jobs over those 20 years, all for the same reason; he was a dick who looked for reasons to be offended, and made life miserable for his co-workers. It sounds like you believe he had a right to kill those people, and attempt to kill a chamber of commerce member who was being interviewed at the time, but ended up in surgery instead. Could you explain why you think he had a right to do this?

bravo, excellent response. nothing more needs to be said about that silliness

 

[Manc Skipper]

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Still no change same old same old

 

[flogger]

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Still no change same old same old

And I suspect that even if a subsequent kindergarten massacre reached triple digits it would still not make the slightest difference

They will still wave a flag at it call it freedom then lock n load

How does one get to the mindset where guns matter more than anything ?

 

[flogger]

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1. No it was not a dodge.. it was fact.. our gun deaths are less than our automobile deaths. that's what I pointed out.

And as well you know thats not what was asked ergo it was a dodge

Beyond the fact that they are also suicides, gang related crime and people defending themselves. Why are they tolerated? Because Americans value freedom first of all. We are not willing to give up our freedoms for an illusion of security. Every study shows that gun control DOES NOT WORK. Even in your own country.. your gun control did not curb murder... only when you added a tremendous number of police men DID YOUR RATE GO DOWN. Those are the facts.
Secondly.. our crime rate is tremendously low.. 4.5 gun assaults per 100,000 people . Sorry but we aren't going to throw our freedom out the window over 4.5 assaults per 100,000 people and certainly when all research shows that gun control will not do a thing.

'All research' does nothing of the sort as has already been illustrated. The metric of 'freedom' is not measured by the level of a persons personal lethality towards others

If you look at most developed countries.. its not hard to understand why their rates are lower. first of all with universal healthcare there is often better access to mental health which reduces things like suicides and things like a few days ago. there is also larger safety nets, so that people are less likely to be criminals in the first place. Also some of the drug laws are much more relaxed where in this country we have gang lords fighting over black market territory.. so on and so forth.

Other developed societies are dealking with those issues too. The big differentiator of course being access to guns. How many of your alleged mental patients have gone on a mass killing spree without one lately ?

your gun control didn't work and the stats I provided showed that it did not.. deal with it.

Fella you aren't going to see anything you don't want to see however much I present to you (and its been a lot)

You have given up your freedoms for no good reason. Other factors like your level of police, drug laws, safety nets, and mental health access are the difference.. NOT GUNS...

Keep trying to convince yourself of that as long as you like. Your 90 gun massacres in the last 50 years tell a different story

If guns were the issue.. we should be worse than mexico for safety because of our guns per capita... but we are not.. we are among the safest countries in the world.

Yes you are indeed safer than many tinpot banana republics it must make you proud :roll:

So while you feel secure because you make it hard for your own Olympic shooting team from practicing in your country, we don't lose our freedom over hysterics.\

I'm rather more concerned with safety within my own society than what our Olypmic team do. I'm sure they are too

No.. the stats have been provided by multiple posters

And been debunked with real modern stats from our ONS because they reference material 13 or 14 years old in tabloid scare stories

'Actually it can as the graph I provided showed that after gun control your murder rate went UP.. which is a positive correlation of more gun control.. more murder... only until you began adding more police did your murder rate go down... its entirely possible that if you did not have the draconian gun laws that you have.. that your crime rates would actually be better and you would need less police.

We nipped a potential firearms explosion in the bud as your graph clearly illustrated. It obviously took some time to get those guns off the streets hence 2001 being the peak. Our killings are a quarter of what they were then so obviously it worked. We need less police today because we have less crime across the board period. Even at its height thankfully gun crime was still a very minor issue

sorry sir but that's the facts.

I live here and have lived in the US so I'm rather more aware of the facts than you ..... sir

 

[Jerry]

Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward were shot in cold blood by Bryce Williams and CNN immediately starts their rallying liberal progressive cry for "gun control". The lib media couldn't even give the families a day or two to grieve the loss of their murdered loved ones before they jump on the agenda bandwagon. The lib media are a despicable bunch of a-holes.

A white person shoots someone, blame race. A black person shoots someone, blame guns.

Libtards.

 

[Jerry]

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I am so damn done with American gun culture.

Sorry to hear you're leaving the United States. Have fun abroad

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

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so a bunch of racists get caught saying racial slurs, then after 20 years of being a reporter he files a complaint about them being racist and HE is the one who gets fired??? this leads him too commit suicide but before he goes, he tries too kill the two white supremacists who got him fired?

and im supposed to care why? and about whom?

So, bro....


The "Racist" words were

"go out to the field"

and "swing around"......


Still think he was justified?

 

[MrT]

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And what grounds would've been used to deny his license?

Possibly no grounds would have stopped him, but possibly the psyc evaluation or perhaps the process would have dissuaded him from purchasing a gun.

 

[MrT]

A white person shoots someone, blame race. A black person shoots someone, blame guns.

Libtards.

Oh we blamed guns in both instances as a significant contributor to the tragedy. In fact, I am fairly certain that you personally engaged in a debate with someone after the Charleston shootings

 

[MrT]

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the problem is that gun banners wait for tragedies like this so they can use the blood of the slain to fuel their jihad against gun owners. and when you hear gun banners whining for stuff that has no relevance to the problem (like Newtown where gun banners whined for background checks when the gun used was purchased after such a check but the owner was MURDERED by the killer to get the gun) we know that preventing the crime is NOT what motivates the calls for completely irrelevant (to the current incident) "solutions"

Folks are not waiting until after the tragedies to discuss the issue. The tragedies just happen with such a regular occurrence that the debate probably happened shortly after a tragedy.

 

[Derp]

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"Now is the time for mourning and for healing, but let's be clear at some point, we as a country, we have to reckon with the fact that this mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." --President Barack Obama, the day after the Charleston, SC mass killing. Free speech allows us to both vilify and glorify Obama, or, for those of us who dislike extremes, to stand somewhere in the middle. Free speech also allows us to state that in this quote, he was absolutely right. That and free speech are major reasons why, whenever there is a tragic shooting, the issue of gun control is going to come up.

Deadliest Mass Shootings Around The World

Is this guy retarded or just an ignorant ****?

 

[Manc Skipper]

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He should have finished "with such appalling unmatched frequency!" Norway holds the record for mass number killed in one event, but nobody comes close to the number of mass killing incidents.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Folks are not waiting until after the tragedies to discuss the issue. The tragedies just happen with such a regular occurrence that the debate probably happened shortly after a tragedy.

that's not really true. Patrick Purdy was tailor made for the anti "assault weapon" conspiracy. the Vile Propaganda Center (VPC) had started its jihad against such rifles by telling the media that most people couldn't tell the difference between machine guns and AR 15 rifles. all they needed was a massacre and along it came.

If you actually believe that the Graboids in office and their minions in the press don't start plotting gun bans until after their massacres, I really cannot help you

 

[SheWolf]

Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward were shot in cold blood by Bryce Williams and CNN immediately starts their rallying liberal progressive cry for "gun control". The lib media couldn't even give the families a day or two to grieve the loss of their murdered loved ones before they jump on the agenda bandwagon. The lib media are a despicable bunch of a-holes.

Nobody speaks for those families expect for the families. If the families are offended by the political discourse on either the left or the right, then they have the right to speak for themselves. In all reality, the families are probably busy grieving more than worrying about politics like you. Looks to me like you are exploiting the victims in your own way and trying to control the conversation.

 

[Phys251]

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Is this guy retarded or just an ignorant ****?

Mass shootings happen far more often here in the US than anywhere else in the industrialized world, Derp. That is a fact.

He should have finished "with such appalling unmatched frequency!" Norway holds the record for mass number killed in one event, but nobody comes close to the number of mass killing incidents.

(Note: This is a general commentary, not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.) Some people seem to be unable or unwilling to properly infer the true meaning of statements. Another classic example of that was Obama's famous "you didn't build that" line, which, as Jon Stewart correctly pointed out, was, at worst, a grammar mistake.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

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Possibly no grounds would have stopped him, but possibly the psyc evaluation or perhaps the process would have dissuaded him from purchasing a gun.

And you have evidence of this?

This was not an impulsive crime, he wanted vengeance and went to lengths to plan his attack.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: The bodies weren't even cold yet...

"Now is the time for mourning and for healing, but let's be clear at some point, we as a country, we have to reckon with the fact that this mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries." --President Barack Obama, the day after the Charleston, SC mass killing. Free speech allows us to both vilify and glorify Obama, or, for those of us who dislike extremes, to stand somewhere in the middle. Free speech also allows us to state that in this quote, he was absolutely right. That and free speech are major reasons why, whenever there is a tragic shooting, the issue of gun control is going to come up.

Do please extend this logic to the organisers of firearm organisations and suggest they prepair to counter the negative press wave gun control will create. Apparently they cannot figure this out on their own or stupidly believe a bunch of foolish people will never believe gun control.

 

[Crimefree]

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Folks are not waiting until after the tragedies to discuss the issue. The tragedies just happen with such a regular occurrence that the debate probably happened shortly after a tragedy.

This is either true of false which do you speak?

Define this regular occurrence in term of other deaths. Let us see if this is fact or propaganda. Truth or gun control crap.

It is more or less than lightening strikes deaths?

It is more of less than bee sting deaths?

It is more or less than deaths by fire?

It is more of less than drownings?

It is more or less than death by falls?

 

[Crimefree]

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Possibly no grounds would have stopped him, but possibly the psyc evaluation or perhaps the process would have dissuaded him from purchasing a gun.

Are you suggesting that a background check would have prevented these deaths?

If so you have not shown how this mechanism would have changed the intent or mind. Possibly how many people would have been inconvenienced for what guaranteed result? Does your proposal work or not?

 

[Derp]

Mass shootings happen far more often here in the US than anywhere else in the industrialized world, Derp. That is a fact.



(Note: This is a general commentary, not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.) Some people seem to be unable or unwilling to properly infer the true meaning of statements. Another classic example of that was Obama's famous "you didn't build that" line, which, as Jon Stewart correctly pointed out, was, at worst, a grammar mistake.

Wow! nothing in your post is what I quoted Obama saying. That is a fact. What he said is wrong and Politifact agrees with me.

 

[MrT]

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And you have evidence of this?

This was not an impulsive crime, he wanted vengeance and went to lengths to plan his attack.

You want me to prove that a piece of legislation would have stopped this particular individual from carrying out any type of attack?

Seriously?

 

[jaeger19]

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1. The only dodge was that you were unwilling to admit that all "gun deaths".. are still less than auto deaths.

2. all research does show that gun control has little effect to no effect on reducing crime and murder and may actually increase it.

3. And most developed countries also have some access to firearms as well.. and yet fewer mass shootings... because the issue isn't firearms.. its mental health. Take Canada.. my son and I are going to Canada and we legally are going to bring in two firearms capable of killing a human well beyond a 1000 yards. In fact of killing a large animal out to more than 600 yards. All legal and something that's available to almost every Canadian.. and yet they don't have the mass shootings we do.. and that's in part because of culture and their healthcare system.. because they do have access to firearms..and very powerful ones at that. The irony is that while they will allow me to take those powerful firearms into the country.... I can't take my .22 target pistol.. because their government things it makes them "safer"..
Just the idiocy of gun control advocates.

We nipped a potential firearms explosion in the bud as your graph clearly illustrated. It obviously took some time to get those guns off the streets hence 2001 being the peak. Our killings are a quarter of what they were then so obviously it worked. We need less police today because we have less crime across the board period. Even at its height thankfully gun crime was still a very minor issue

No you didn't.. what the graph clearly shows is that when you instituted gun control,, your murder rates went UP and only went down when you compensated with a dramatic increase in police. Sorry but those are the facts.

live here and have lived in the US so I'm rather more aware of the facts than you ..... sir

I have lived and worked in other countries as well.. including a stint in the UK.. and you are NOT even aware of the facts.. as your posts show.

 

[jaeger19]

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You want me to prove that a piece of legislation would have stopped this particular individual from carrying out any type of attack?

Seriously?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what we are saying. If the law doesn't work..and it curtails freedoms... why should we do it?

That's SHOULD be the litmus test for a law.

Tell me.. do you think that we should continue interning people with Gitmo... or do you think that the government has some responsibility to prove that what its doing is instrumental and necessary for our safety?

 

[MrT]

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Yes.. that's EXACTLY what we are saying. If the law doesn't work..and it curtails freedoms... why should we do it?

That's SHOULD be the litmus test for a law.

Tell me.. do you think that we should continue interning people with Gitmo... or do you think that the government has some responsibility to prove that what its doing is instrumental and necessary for our safety?

It is a far different prospect to prove that a law would help to prevent the general population from committing a crime through the method designed to be prevented by the law and proving that a law would have stopped one particular individual from committing a crime through every method possible.

The former is relatively easy to prove - and with the proposal (a license to purchase a firearm system) that we were discussing, I could point to the study which noted Connecticut's version of the law was tied to a 40% reduction in homicides and a repeal of a similar law by Missouri was tied to a ~25% increase of homicides. The later is impossible.

At this point, hopefully you realize why your analogy here is flawed (on top of the fact that all analogies are inherently flawed), but to answer your question regarding Gitmo - Yes, I believe the Government must demonstrate its legitimate needs in detaining these prisoners without trial.