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Has QAnon closed down and posters moved over here?
Are there any honest tRUMP supporters? Or QAnaon members?
Been in this forum since 2009 and been a conservative for well over 50 years, Trump beats the alternative, how anyone can vote for Harris/Biden is beyond comprehension, read the OP and tell us where it is wrong?
 

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Probably has nothing to do with wait times and problems getting doctors. Keep making excuses for the failures of liberalism showing that typical liberal arrogance.
"Probably"? From a data perspective, that means bugger all. Again, it could "probably" be evil demons blocking the doors at hospitals too.

AS for the highest mortality rate in the world, 200,000 out of 330.000.000 Americans and we report our deaths, think China with 1.4 billion people only had 86000 cases and 4600 deaths. Death to percentage is 3% under the world average and other those liberal utopia countries with Universal Healthcare.
I don't bother with, nor have cited China's numbers. I am looking at numbers from other industrialized nations. On several occasions I even pointed out that we are doing worse in number of mortalities than the entire European continent. Are you claiming they're not accurate either? So what I'm trying to understand is why you keep dodging the very simple fact that we have the most deaths in the world. Why is that, if as you claim, we have the best healthcare system in the world? Shouldn't "liberal utopias with Universal Healthcare" be top of the list because of the reasons you've given?


You keep ignoring that 329,800,000 Americans don't have Covid 19, name for me another country in the world with those numbers? No you want to focus on the negatives totally ignoring context like total population and the freedom of press we have in this country
I haven't ignored anything, I just call your conclusions out for the the obvious flaws you continue to repeat. By your same measure, 747,521,502 Europeans don't have COVID 19 either. The curious thing is how the entire continent of Europe, with twice our population, has slightly higher mortality totals. Weird huh?
 

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"what the radical party stands for today and how that destroys the very foundation upon which this country was created and the rule of law?"

There has been no larger display of total disregard of the rule of law than that shown by the Republicans, even more so than in the past 4 years. There is no "for the people" any longer among today's trumpublicans. It's all "for my people". So pathetic.
Didn't read the OP did you? Why don't you explain why police unions are endorsing Trump and every radical group in the country Biden. So total disregard for the rule of law is shown by the GOP? When was the last time the GOP ran California or NY, or the cities of Portland, Seattle, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, NYC? You do .live in a bubble don't you?
 

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"Probably"? From a data perspective, that means bugger all. Again, it could "probably" be evil demons blocking the doors at hospitals too.



I don't bother with, nor have cited China's numbers. I am looking at numbers from other industrialized nations. On several occasions I even pointed out that we are doing worse in number of mortalities than the entire European continent. Are you claiming they're not accurate either? So what I'm trying to understand is why you keep dodging the very simple fact that we have the most deaths in the world. Why is that, if as you claim, we have the best healthcare system in the world? Shouldn't "liberal utopias with Universal Healthcare" be top of the list because of the reasons you've given?




I haven't ignored anything, I just call your conclusions out for the the obvious flaws you continue to repeat. By your same measure, 747,521,502 Europeans don't have COVID 19 either. The curious thing is how the entire continent of Europe, with twice our population, has slightly higher mortality totals. Weird huh?
Hard to deal with irrational poorly educated individuals in blue states totally clueless when it comes to data, Name for us any other country in the world with 330,000,000 people and over 6 million recoveries? We lead the world in recoveries but that doesn't fit your narrative


Total cases 6.9 million recovered 3.8 million and active 3.0 million most of whom are part of the 40% infected with no medical treatment thus no accounting as recovered, my daughter is in that group. If you test positive you are counted as a case, if you receive no medical treatment and recover you aren't counted,
 
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Name for me any so called lies that have affected you or your family or even the country? His supposed corruption pales compared to Obama whose lies were called mistakes but his policies actually hurt the American people giving us the worst recovery in history. So tell us about those so called lies, what policies came out of them? My credibility comes from official data, yours from propaganda. I will take my credibility to court any day vs. yours

As for leaving, I changed my mind, took a little vacation and decided to come back to make a fool out of radicals who refuse to debate the issues and refuse to give Harris/Biden the same anal exam on rhetoric
15 will go to ZERO.
It will magically disappear.
The reaction is the new DEM HOAX.

As of now, there's over 200,000 dead because it didn't magically disappear.
 

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Hard to deal with irrational poorly educated individuals in blue states totally clueless when it comes to data, Name for us any other country in the world with 330,000,000 people and over 6 million recoveries? We lead the world in recoveries but that doesn't fit your narrative
That you call me "irrational poorly educated individuals" is pretty rich given your poor displays of data analysis. More importantly, when you resort to ad hominem attacks, you've already lost. Please cite your source for recoveries; the figures I've seen have us at a different number. Also, recoveries are great, but it's death you have to prevent, and that's where not questioning why we lead the world in deaths is absolutely daft.

Oh, and you haven't provided your analysis methodology for how you concluded the data you cited supports your healthcare system outcomes theory.
 

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15 will go to ZERO.
It will magically disappear.
The reaction is the new DEM HOAX.

As of now, there's over 200,000 dead because it didn't magically disappear.
This lie has been exposed over and over again and still you are intellectually challenged and lacking total credibility, you name for me the country in the world with over 6 million recoveries? You deserve Biden/Harris as apparently they are going to provide you what you cannot handle for yourself
That you call me "irrational poorly educated individuals" is pretty rich given your poor displays of data analysis. More importantly, when you resort to ad hominem attacks, you've already lost. Please cite your source for recoveries; the figures I've seen have us at a different number. Also, recoveries are great, but it's death you have to prevent, and that's where not questioning why we lead the world in deaths is absolutely daft.
Poor display of data analysis? ROFMAO, your liberal spin isn't accurate analysis of data, knew it was impossible to discuss anything rationally with someone from the blue state of NJ

That you call me "irrational poorly educated individuals" is pretty rich given your poor displays of data analysis. More importantly, when you resort to ad hominem attacks, you've already lost. Please cite your source for recoveries; the figures I've seen have us at a different number. Also, recoveries are great, but it's death you have to prevent, and that's where not questioning why we lead the world in deaths is absolutely daft.

Oh, and you haven't provided your analysis methodology for how you concluded the data you cited supports your healthcare system outcomes theory.
the medical profession prevents death and we are doing that better than any place in the world. As usual you ignore the 40% infected, not receiving any medical treatment and not counted as recovered
 

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Been in this forum since 2009 and been a conservative for well over 50 years, Trump beats the alternative, how anyone can vote for Harris/Biden is beyond comprehension, read the OP and tell us where it is wrong?
Has to do with tRUMP only caring for white America. Lying to keep his narcissim and ego intact.
 

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This lie has been exposed over and over again and still you are intellectually challenged and lacking total credibility, you name for me the country in the world with over 6 million recoveries? You deserve Biden/Harris as apparently they are going to provide you what you cannot handle for yourself
Which lie, those are words tRUMP said back in February.
You have no credibility with these QAnon type threads.
 

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Poor display of data analysis? ROFMAO, your liberal spin isn't accurate analysis of data, knew it was impossible to discuss anything rationally with someone from the blue state of NJ
Liberal spin? There's no spin of any kind in the information I've provided. The data is pretty clear cut; the problem is you keep avoiding certain datasets and just want to focus on the ones that support your narrative. If you were interested in a rational discussion, they would factor into it.

the medical profession prevents death and we are doing that better than any place in the world. As usual you ignore the 40% infected, not receiving any medical treatment and not counted as recovered
Again, what is your methodology for coming to that conclusion from the dataset you cited? We are not doing better than any place in the world if we are leading the world in deaths due to the disease. it's like saying the wheels on the car look great despite the engine being shot. I suppose you're not going to answer why you think it is we are leading the world in deaths due to COVID 19.
 

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Raped by corporate America?? That is typical liberal rhetoric as the desire for finally achieving that liberal utopia is right around the corner with Harris/Biden. Just think another country successful like Venezuela and Argentina? Class envy, jealousy, politics of personal destruction, and the incremental march to socialism. You offer nothing but propaganda supporting your point of view. I am not afraid of corporations, why are you? how have they hurt you? They employ millions who pay taxes, live in your community, and provide support for charities that do more good than federal bureaucrats! You tell me how any rich person or evil corporation prevented you from getting a larger share of the growing economy in this country?

How much does a person need? Who are you to make that determination and why does it matter? This country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome and your hatred for anyone who has more than you is your problem not anyone else's
Horsecrap right off the start. Equal opportunity I'm pretty sure didn't apply to slaves. That whole line about all men being created equal is not a lie, we turned it into a lie by devaluing people and making sure they didn't have the rights as white men had. It's what the civil war was all about, owning others. We denied the vote to women for how long? All equal?

You base your life on money, that's obvious, others think about the country and we the people. Any yes, when a pharma company can charge ten dollars for a pill that costs them fifty cents to make, it's rape. Cars cost as much as houses used to, food costs are astronomical, health care if you have to pay for it personally is almost life draining for most folks and yet you care about corporate america like it's suffering.
 

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Pretty simple, Joe Biden is a 78 year old career public servant with declining mental capacity. Your party couldn't get a radical at the top of the ticket so they got the next best thing, a radical second on the ticket knowing that Biden may not survive his entire first term. You want to risk putting Harris in the WH? Radicals certainly have made a fool out of a lot of good people
Shouldn't you be happy about this conspiracy theory of your?
 

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Didn't read the OP did you? Why don't you explain why police unions are endorsing Trump and every radical group in the country Biden. So total disregard for the rule of law is shown by the GOP? When was the last time the GOP ran California or NY, or the cities of Portland, Seattle, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Chicago, Kenosha, NYC? You do .live in a bubble don't you?
The police unions? The organizations that make it close to impossible to weed out bad cops including the racists that harass and murder POC? No surprise there. When you're ready to enlighten us with anything other than trumpist talking points, please feel free to chime in!
 

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Right and you would prefer a SF radical in the WH who would certainly create the kind of country you want, massive nanny state with a large authoritative central gov't

You claim Trump is a liar and corrupt but have proven no such thing just propaganda and hate rhetoric. Better wake up and realize what the alternative is as none of the results generated by Trump have hurt you or your family, and that being the case makes your hatred illogical and flat ass wrong
Well, Trump is building a large, authoritative government: he has expanded the DOJ prior to the protests, spent taxpayer monies on a wall and increased ICE and Border Patrol instead of upgrading equipment and training, he wants taxpayers to pay for childcare of others (in theory this is socialist) and his executive order to try to force pharmaceuticals to price their drugs lower by comparing to pricing to other nations (that is as socialist/nanny state/big government as you can get: it's government controlling profit by virtue that the government is controlling the Americans markets). Just to name a few things...

And Trump isn't a liar and corrupt? The reason why I ask is because when he gets debunked...he gets debunked by his own words and actions. I mean, if you want an example: Trump claimed that he passed the VA Choice Bill....it was passed in 2014.
 

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Has to do with tRUMP only caring for white America. Lying to keep his narcissim and ego intact.
Right, that is why his poll numbers with African Americans will generate more votes for Trump than any other Republican President since Reagan
The police unions? The organizations that make it close to impossible to weed out bad cops including the racists that harass and murder POC? No surprise there. When you're ready to enlighten us with anything other than trumpist talking points, please feel free to chime in!
Right, the police unions who are funded by the cities in which they provide service and are sick and tired of being destroyed by those same liberal cities. Thought the radical left and you loved unions? When you are ready to discuss actual issues like law and order, actual liberal results vs rhetoric. please chime in
 

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Well, Trump is building a large, authoritative government: he has expanded the DOJ prior to the protests, spent taxpayer monies on a wall and increased ICE and Border Patrol instead of upgrading equipment and training, he wants taxpayers to pay for childcare of others (in theory this is socialist) and his executive order to try to force pharmaceuticals to price their drugs lower by comparing to pricing to other nations (that is as socialist/nanny state/big government as you can get: it's government controlling profit by virtue that the government is controlling the Americans markets). Just to name a few things...

And Trump isn't a liar and corrupt? The reason why I ask is because when he gets debunked...he gets debunked by his own words and actions. I mean, if you want an example: Trump claimed that he passed the VA Choice Bill....it was passed in 2014.
You can try and re-write history but you cannot change it. For the past 4 years the Democratic Party has tried to destroy this President and you have joined them. They lie, cheat, and steal to regain power. Your claim is bogus as no one politicized and expanded the DOJ more than the Obama Administration so your double standards and hypocrisy is on full display

As is typical of someone who apparently doesn't understand the U.S. Constitution, PROVIDING for the Common defense is the role of the gov't and that means controlling our borders, the Wall, enforcing immigration laws, ICE and border patrol. Please explain to us all how allowing people to keep more of what they earn is expansion of gov't?

You keep claiming that Trump is a liar and corrupt and yet he beats the alternative, I will be voting for Trump again because your claims are hollow and false. there is no one more corrupt than a 45+ year public servant(Biden) and a SF liberal(Harris). I have decided I will vote for law and order and the candidate supported by the police in this country, not radical BLM and every other radical group in this country

I understand this won't resonate with you but cities control racial policies and the police hiring, funding, and training and yet those people hired, trained and funded by liberal cities have endorsed Trump. That speaks volumes
 

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Shouldn't you be happy about this conspiracy theory of your?
Right, propaganda to you is anything that doesn't fit your narrative. Nothing changes the mind of a radical including actual rioting, looting, politics of personal destruction and poor economic and social results in major U.S. liberal run cities and states
 

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Liberal spin? There's no spin of any kind in the information I've provided. The data is pretty clear cut; the problem is you keep avoiding certain datasets and just want to focus on the ones that support your narrative. If you were interested in a rational discussion, they would factor into it.



Again, what is your methodology for coming to that conclusion from the dataset you cited? We are not doing better than any place in the world if we are leading the world in deaths due to the disease. it's like saying the wheels on the car look great despite the engine being shot. I suppose you're not going to answer why you think it is we are leading the world in deaths due to COVID 19.
This has been addressed over and over and yet you still spout the same nonsense. we have 330,000,000 people, a lot of zeroes and that is what is generating what you call a large number of deaths, 3% death to infection ratio, lower than the world average and better than those European socialist utopia country you want us to emulate.

My methodology comes from the reality that 40% of those infected and counted as infected have minimal symptoms and thus aren't treated medically, when the recover there is no record of recovery thus they are counted in the cases but not the recoveries, 40% of 7 million cases is 2.8 million on top of the 3.7 million recovered is a number you don't want to celebrate and report
 

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This has been addressed over and over and yet you still spout the same nonsense. we have 330,000,000 people, a lot of zeroes and that is what is generating what you call a large number of deaths, 3% death to infection ratio, lower than the world average and better than those European socialist utopia country you want us to emulate.

My methodology comes from the reality that 40% of those infected and counted as infected have minimal symptoms and thus aren't treated medically, when the recover there is no record of recovery thus they are counted in the cases but not the recoveries, 40% of 7 million cases is 2.8 million on top of the 3.7 million recovered is a number you don't want to celebrate and report
The country is a total mess


Trump owns this.
 

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The police unions? The organizations that make it close to impossible to weed out bad cops including the racists that harass and murder POC? No surprise there. When you're ready to enlighten us with anything other than trumpist talking points, please feel free to chime in!
A very simple question for you, since cities fund, hire and train police why is it that the police are supporting Trump and biting the hand that feeds them? could it be the lack of support they are receiving from the city leadership and are seeking federal help during rioting? Biden supports liberal city actions and Trump supports the police along with other law and order issues
 

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Results matter, results generated by economic policies and recovery now being generated from the pandemic by a pro private sector President. You have no credibility being from Chicago
Every economic metric remained in the same unchanging trend line from 2010 until the pandemic hit. Nothing what so ever changed under trump. It simply continued on the same trend line.
 

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No my focus is spot on, the big picture and the agenda of the Harris/Biden Administration. those polices will not only affect my family, but yours and the country? Trump's economic policies created the best economic results of any President in history for his first three years in office something you ignore and cannot refute. You want to stick to January/February taking points none of which resonate today. I will remind you that in a country of 330.000.000 people 329,800,000 do not have the virus, let that sink in for a moment
I don’t understand how you can keep making this moronic claim when it has been thoroughly disproven using the actual economic data?
 

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Every economic metric remained in the same unchanging trend line from 2010 until the pandemic hit. Nothing what so ever changed under trump. It simply continued on the same trend line.
The data doesn't support your opinion and never has, an upward trend in GDP will never trump the dollar amount of that upward trend by Obama and Trump, 500 billion dollars per year GDP vs 900 billion dollars per year in GDP growth

Or the downward trend of Unemployment boosted by part time jobs for economic reasons vs the downward trend by Trump reducing those part time jobs by over 1.4 million.

Your biased partisan revisionist history is out of touch with reality as is your loyalty to the previous Administration who lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. Trump lost the House in 18 but gained Senate seats in 18. You really need to research before posting
 

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This has been addressed over and over and yet you still spout the same nonsense. we have 330,000,000 people, a lot of zeroes and that is what is generating what you call a large number of deaths, 3% death to infection ratio, lower than the world average and better than those European socialist utopia country you want us to emulate.
Nonsense? Good lord. Your spin is noted, since you'd rather address other things than the fact people are dying. You still have no response to why the entire European continent, with double our population, has slightly higher mortalities than we do who have half the population. You don't seem to care about those results....quelle surprise!

My methodology comes from the reality that 40% of those infected and counted as infected have minimal symptoms and thus aren't treated medically, when the recover there is no record of recovery thus they are counted in the cases but not the recoveries, 40% of 7 million cases is 2.8 million on top of the 3.7 million recovered is a number you don't want to celebrate and report
So essentially you'd rather focus on positive spin, rather than address the fact that people are dying. Noted. Even if we had the best recovery data ever, how does that factor in mitigating the number of deaths? Your point seems to be "well at least more people aren't dying!".
 

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The data doesn't support your opinion and never has, an upward trend in GDP will never trump the dollar amount of that upward trend by Obama and Trump, 500 billion dollars per year GDP vs 900 billion dollars per year in GDP growth

Or the downward trend of Unemployment boosted by part time jobs for economic reasons vs the downward trend by Trump reducing those part time jobs by over 1.4 million.

Your biased partisan revisionist history is out of touch with reality as is your loyalty to the previous Administration who lost the House in 10-12-14-16 and the Senate in 14-16. Trump lost the House in 18 but gained Senate seats in 18. You really need to research before posting
I have repeatedly refuted this. I gave you the data from 2010-jan2020 showing you there was no magic trump bump. EVERY metric remained on the same trend line. This is in no way debatable.
 
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