Kandahar said:There's nothing that needs to be debated.
Evolution is a scientific theory with a few very minor flaws, none of which are filled with creationism. It is the cornerstone of modern biology and pharmacology, and has an overwhelming amount of evidence behind it.
Creationism is horseshit with NO evidence to support it.
talloulou said:Yeah, well what about aliens interfering with the human race to help evolution along?
talloulou said:Yeah, well what about aliens interfering with the human race to help evolution along?
It remains a speculation with no evidence. Von Daniken claiming that Peruvian neolithic figures are of space suits are just wishful thinking.talloulou said:Yeah, well what about aliens interfering with the human race to help evolution along?
You need to first understand what a scientific theory is.talloulou said:I think both theories are incomplete. I would argue that if those theories are going to be taught we should also teach the POSSIBILITY that the planet was seeded by an alien race.
talloulou said:http://www.space.com/searchforlife/aliens_all_001027-2.html
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/v19/n4/webreview-panspermia.org.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/wickramasinghe/wick_hoyle.html
It sounds interesting and possible to me. Doesn't sound like horseshit at all but whatever that's why I'll teach my kids other **** besides the crap they learn at school.
Leave the teaching to those who actually are educated. Perhaps you should give them up for adoption with the level of arrogance you're displaying.talloulou said:http://www.space.com/searchforlife/aliens_all_001027-2.html
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/v19/n4/webreview-panspermia.org.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/wickramasinghe/wick_hoyle.html
It sounds interesting and possible to me. Doesn't sound like horseshit at all but whatever that's why I'll teach my kids other **** besides the crap they learn at school.
acrobat said:a lot of associations are trying to ban teaching darwin theory of evolution from the school program because its absolutly the oposite with what the bile says , the debate is open between scientist and the church who s right ?
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Kandahar said:Panspermia is hardly the same as "aliens interfering with the human race to help evolution along." One is a plausible but unproven scientific hypothesis; the other is howling-at-the-moon lunacy.
jfuh said:Leave the teaching to those who actually are educated. Perhaps you should give them up for adoption with the level of arrogance you're displaying.
Yes, very much arrogant about being ignorant.talloulou said:I don't think I'm arrogant....at least not in regards to this topic.....but really, "You should put your children up for adoption"........talk about hysterical lunacy:damn
jfuh said:Yes, very much arrogant about being ignorant.
This alone shows you're lack of knowledge of what constitutes a scientific theory - ignorancetalloulou said:I think both theories are incomplete. I would argue that if those theories are going to be taught we should also teach the POSSIBILITY that the planet was seeded by an alien race.
Even in the midst of what has been shown to you as non-theory you bring up this argument - arrogancetalloulou said:Yeah, well what about aliens interfering with the human race to help evolution along?
After going through the former rebuttles to your posts about what actually constitutes a sound scientific theory you post more nonsense that are hardly of relation to the thread at hand or non-theories at all.talloulou said:http://www.space.com/searchforlife/a..._001027-2.html
http://www.scientificexploration.org...ermia.org.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newf...ick_hoyle.html
It sounds interesting and possible to me. Doesn't sound like horseshit at all but whatever that's why I'll teach my kids other **** besides the crap they learn at school.
Your assumption, stemmed from ignorance, that darwinism is about the origins of the earth is completely false. Darwinism says nothing about origins of life, but of origins of speices.talloulou said:First off I don't deny my ignorance when it comes to the orgins of the earth or the human race. I don't have all the answers and neither do you. I never insinuated my suggestions were anything but possibilities. I don't claim them to be "correct" or "factual."
There are no questions that the Theory of Evolution leaves unanswered. There is no Darwin theory - again ignorance. Theory of Evolution asks the questions and then looks for explanations based on observational data. All of which correlates with the explanation of the theory.talloulou said:There are some questions that Darwins theory leaves unanswered so just what the heck is wrong with looking in to possibilities???
I'm stating the observation to your arrogance of your ignorance. Teaching something you know very little about, justifying through wich the schooling is crap.talloulou said:Anyway to your accusation that I am arrogant and ignorant and thus my kids should be placed for adoption I will reply that you are an UNIMAGINATIVE HYSTERICAL ASSHOLE.
jfuh said:Let's see now:
This alone shows you're lack of knowledge of what constitutes a scientific theory - ignorance
The joy of the internet is that you can find research to back up almost anything. But I feel I chose some credible sources and the argument that the earth was seeded by aliens either purposely or accidently is not so outlandish especially when being considered along side creationism.Even in the midst of what has been shown to you as non-theory you bring up this argument - arrogance
Aaah you perceived my "crap at school" comment as an insult to the theory of evolution but really I just think the public schools are crappy and I constantly have to supplement my childrens education.Then you go on to claim the "crap" at school which is indeed pinpointing to darwinism.
.Your assumption, stemmed from ignorance, that darwinism is about the origins of the earth is completely false
Darwinism says nothing about origins of life, but of origins of speices.
Yes and when aliens came down and bred with that ape we evolved into humans:monkey If I want to believe that you can't stop me:mrgreen:Science does not have all the facts of about human evolution, but it does have a good 99.99% of the facts. We decended from a common ape ancestor.
There are no questions that the Theory of Evolution leaves unanswered.
at most funny haha.talloulou said:Well first off I am replying in a thread entitled the bible or darwin theory.
I'm merely suggesting that there are other ideas beyond creationism that one could argue for. My point was that if you are going to teach stories about god, adam, eve, and a garden alongside evolution then others, like myself, could legitimately argue that it should be taught as well that Earth was seeded by aliens. It is my opinion that this is just as plausible as creationism if not more so. But the main point that you missed was the HUMOR. Sad, I pity you really.
If it is that you are referencing nonsense ideas along side with creationism in a non-science method such as the flying spagethii monster then pretty much so. I agree completely.talloulou said:The joy of the internet is that you can find research to back up almost anything. But I feel I chose some credible sources and the argument that the earth was seeded by aliens either purposely or accidently is not so outlandish especially when being considered along side creationism.
My misunderstanding then, my bad.talloulou said:Aaah you perceived my "crap at school" comment as an insult to the theory of evolution but really I just think the public schools are crappy and I constantly have to supplement my childrens education.
I responded:talloulou said:"First off I don't deny my ignorance when it comes to the orgins of the earth or the human race. I don't have all the answers and neither do you. I never insinuated my suggestions were anything but possibilities. I don't claim them to be "correct" or "factual."
I am not putting any words into your mouth but simply responding to what you posted.jfuh said:Your assumption, stemmed from ignorance, that darwinism is about the origins of the earth is completely false. Darwinism says nothing about origins of life, but of origins of speices.
Science does not have all the facts of about human evolution, but it does have a good 99.99% of the facts. We decended from a common ape ancestor.
As you yourself answered it quite well. Evolution is not about origins, thus to even try to relate the two is rediculous.talloulou said:I know that Darwin's theory of evolution discusses how life evolves from one stage to another but it does not discuss how life came to be in the first place. While creationists will argue life is here because God put it here, I would argue that perhaps life is here 'cause aliens put it here or it came from alien origins in space, meanwhile the theory of evolution never answers the question of origin at all.
Notedtalloulou said:It has always been my understanding that Darwinism doesn't say anything about how life came to be yet just describes the process of how life evolves.
No one stopping youtalloulou said:Yes and when aliens came down and bred with that ape we evolved into humans:monkey If I want to believe that you can't stop me:mrgreen:
Certainly.talloulou said:Sure it does, it doesn't answer questions about how or why life began it only discusses how life evolves. In fact it is my opinion that you could be an evolutionist who still believes in a heavenly god creator. Why not?
All observations of your posts were indicative of a complete misconception of what a scientific theory was. It suggested that you viewed aliens spawning or supernatural causes for our being here today on the same plane as evolution.talloulou said:I'm sorry you are humorless, unimaginative, and mean enough to suggest my ideas are so offensive to you my children should be placed up for adoption. I stand by my first impression of you.
jfuh said:All observations of your posts were indicative of a complete misconception of what a scientific theory was. It suggested that you viewed aliens spawning or supernatural causes for our being here today on the same plane as evolution.
The crap comment seemed to further that rational and thus leading to my suggestion which I stand by in the case of anyone so irrational.
:cheers:talloulou said:hmmmm should I take that as an apology for your implied suggestion that I'm too stupid to have kids?????:2rofll:
Well I don't like to hold grudges either so I accept your strange apology and I apologize for calling you an unimaginative hysterical asshole. :cheers:
Creationism, ID so such are better reserved for Sunday school. Leave that stuff out of the science class.talloulou said:Besides I'm not sure we actually disagree on the topic anyway so there's no reason for us to argue. It seems clear to me that you are arguing that creationism should not be taught in schools. While I am arguing yes go ahead and teach creationism and while you're at it teach the cool alien stuff too....
Ah, that would be "Darwin's Hypothesis" The actual Scientific Theory of Evolution really don't have much left unanswered. What questions are you talking about inside the actual field of Evolution?talloulou said:There are some questions that Darwins theory leaves unanswered so just what the heck is wrong with looking in to possibilities???
steen said:Ah, that would be "Darwin's Hypothesis" The actual Scientific Theory of Evolution really don't have much left unanswered. What questions are you talking about inside the actual field of Evolution?
talloulou said:Well first off I am replying in a thread entitled the bible or
yes, named so by somebody rather ignorant of these issues. So you have decided to declare yourself just as ignorant! hey, whatever floats your boat.talloulou said:darwin theory.
Sure. You can have lots of ideas and lots of arguments. That is about as relevant as the loons having the idea and arguing that the earth is flat. It is utterly irrelevant to facts, evidence and science. But if all you want to do is having exercises in sophistry and philosophy, then go ahead. Just don't claim any scientific foundation for this, or you WILL be challenged on such a lie.I'm merely suggesting that there are other ideas beyond creationism that one could argue for.
And why would anybody want to do such a looney and crazy thing? Teaching mythology and science together is insanity.My point was that if you are going to teach stories about god, adam, eve, and a garden alongside evolution
but you can only find scientific evidence from scientific sources. And they don’t support your looney ideas.The joy of the internet is that you can find research to back up almost anything.
So wild speculation is not as outlandish as deliberate lies? Well, that may be, but they are still wild speculations. That has no relevance to reality.But I feel I chose some credible sources and the argument that the earth was seeded by aliens either purposely or accidently is not so outlandish especially when being considered along side creationism.
I know that
I guess we should count our blessings.Darwin's theory of evolution discusses how life evolves from one stage to another but it does not discuss how life came to be in the first place.
And you can, of course “argue” anything you want in some sophist exercise. Rather irrelevant to anything outside your overheated mind, though.While creationists will argue life is here because God put it here, I would argue that perhaps life is here 'cause aliens put it here or it came from alien origins in space,
Nor is it supposed to. It also does not explain plate tectonics, the structure of the atom, or wave properties of light, nor does it explain electromagnetism or gravity. So what?meanwhile the theory of evolution never answers the question of origin at all.
Correct, we can not stop you from acting like an ignorant ***, if that is what you want. Have at it.Yes and when aliens came down and bred with that ape we evolved into humans If I want to believe that you can't stop me
I would say that if you deliberately are teaching lies to your kids, that would be child abuse. You can take it from there…I'm sorry you are humorless, unimaginative, and mean enough to suggest my ideas are so offensive to you my children should be placed up for adoption. I stand by my first impression of you.
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